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| Who Killed Lucy?; All the theories | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: 20 Apr 2014, 05:49 (367,931 Views) | |
| Professor Plum | 20 Apr 2014, 05:49 Post #1 |
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I thought I would start a thread that we can keep going for the next 8 months, as our theories will no doubt change as more information comes to light, then we can look back at the end and see who was right, and how early they figured it out. It will also keep it all in once place. This is mine, which I originally posted in an Friday 18th Feb episode thread. OK, spent a lot of time reading through this thread (beats doing the GST!), and have a few thoughts (bearing in mind I am still a couple of weeks out from actually seeing it). I dont believe the murderer will be core cast, surely they wont have another murderer running round the square. If so, then I seriously do not want to visit the UK. Reading through all this, Ronnie springs to mind the most. Like others have commented, she could very easily be a drug dealer, as Mrs Peels has said, has form. Now, also going on this theory, dont Psychopaths like attention? Dont they like to show off their handy work? Hence the murder taking place somewhere else, then the body being left where it will be found this time. She didnt get any praise for ridding the world of Carl. The other theory I have, is it cold blooded murder? Is it a drug deal gone wrong, or an accident? Like when Barry died? or Heather? even though Heather wasnt really an accident, it wasnt premeditated either. Going on this theory, it will be someone like Bianca. We know she is leaving, I havent heard if her gaggle of kids are going as well. Its not Ian and its not Denise. They are not killers, and even though Ian is a weasle, and doesnt take responsibility for his actions, if he doesnt have another breakdown in the next few weeks, its not him. I dont think its Peter either. The story is suppose to be on the effects it has on the family, rather than the death itself. So it wont be too shocking who the killer really is. I dont put Jane capable of cold blooded murder, but Lucy is the one that took away her chance for a much wanted baby, who treated her like a wicked step mum, even when Jane did try to help her through those awkward teenage years. Jane has changed, she is more calculating, more selfish than she use to be. We dont really know too much about what happened in Wales. If it is Jane, then I think it will be more "accident" rather than "murder". I dont think Max has the bottle to do it. His ego would prefer to think he shagged her to death. Lucy being a coke addict has come as a surprise. Could she also be blackmailing someone? Looking at it another way, whos contracts are due for renewal around Jan/Feb? Who is leaving, apart from Bianca? Janine didnt get a theme when she left the other night. The door is open for her to return, and we all predict it will be for the 30th. A lot of cash and other things went missing when Janine was arrested. Janine is happy to give, if asked, but doesnt like people helping themselves to her things..... Also to back up my theory of either Janine or Ronnie, neither featured in the trailer. Can anyone remember if Stacey was in the trailer for Archies murder? 🏆 Best Thread 2014 |
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| Dan | 20 Apr 2014, 07:23 Post #2 |
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Ronnie can and would do it without blinking an eye or feeling any emotion as she is a psychopath, dead inside and is incapable of compassion or truly empathising with anyone. She may go through the motions of doing so but psychopaths can and do study how the rest of the world act and imitate them to fit in. But I don't think she did it. I think it would be more impactful if it were someone closer to Lucy who she liked and trusted and I also think Ronnie would have gone to greater lengths to hide the body rather than just leaving Lucy on a path. She was methodical with Carl and if she killed Lucy, I think she would be similar. I believe the killer was a woman and I don't believe they dumped Lucy's body, I believe Lucy made her own way to the common possibly while disorientated and collapsed. I think it was Lauren personally. |
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| Kiwiana | 20 Apr 2014, 09:54 Post #3 |
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PP I would agree about Jane- I'd like to know what happen in Wales if we get the chances? but yes Jane wouldn't hurt a fly but I'll still choose Jane as a massive shock if she is revealed as the killer. Lauren and Abi?? I'd say Jake gets arrested and kills himself and we could see the guilty one before the actual reveal next year??? |
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| Nick | 20 Apr 2014, 11:18 Post #4 |
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I was just thinking about it, it could potentially be Lee. At first I thought it won't be, but we dont really know him THAT well. Maybe he was the one who gave Lucy the drugs, but he's involved in some massive thing (not worked out what yet) but basically cannot let anyone know he had some drugs. When Ian came and accused him, he decided that he couldn't risk Lucy telling, so decided to kill her. Just another theory. But I'm actually really not sure who I think the killer is yet. |
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| The Other Slater Cousin | 20 Apr 2014, 11:24 Post #5 |
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Definitely think it is Abi. Her father was thinking with his pants again, sleeping with her sister's best friend. We know Abi can't stand the betrayal in her family. If she found out about Lucy and Max, how far would that push her? She wouldn't murder Lucy, but maybe after a struggle, Lucy hit her head. She seemed ok, stormed out of the flat and dropped dead on the way home. Isn't Abi due for Uni in September? Maybe she could go off screen then and come back for the Christmas holidays ("big twist in the run up to Christmas") and we find out something concerning her. Just thinking out loud, but whatever way it plays out, I think Abi will be involved. |
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| soetmo | 20 Apr 2014, 11:50 Post #6 |
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how many threads about this are necessary? |
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| Winters | 20 Apr 2014, 12:01 Post #7 |
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Well, for one thing it has to be a shock, and for another it needs to be an already well-established character or we won't care about it. So no one new. You could also say it has to make sense, but it's most likely it won't make sense before we find out. So it's not that easy to guess. But if it's going to be really BIG we don't really have that many characters to choose from. Most wouldn't have that much impact. |
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| Dan | 20 Apr 2014, 12:45 Post #8 |
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From now on, this is the official Who Killed Lucy? thread and guesses and speculation go in here. Namely, no starting or bumping up any old threads. |
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| WalfordE20 | 20 Apr 2014, 13:43 Post #9 |
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Hmm, so the Lucy Beale Spoiler thread will sink? Disappointed about that because it's been our official thread for two months and I think it'd be the best place to keep all the Lucy discussion so when February comes around we can look back twelve months and see how far we've come. |
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| Nick | 20 Apr 2014, 13:46 Post #10 |
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Another theory, which I don't exactly think will be the answer, but it's a possibility I guess. If Whitney didn't do it, she could have gone home crying and told either Carol, Bianca, Liam, David, or even Terry. I was mainly thinking Bianca, but I suppose they are all as likely/unlikely as eachother, they could have gone out to defend Whitney and give her a kind of telling off but things go a bit too far. |
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| Dan | 20 Apr 2014, 13:48 Post #11 |
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You can discuss Lucy as a character in that thread but this is just so we don't have several "who do you think is the killer?" threads clogging the forum. This is not an attack on Professor Plum whose post is very well thought out. |
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| Mrs Peel | 20 Apr 2014, 13:59 Post #12 |
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LOL! That reminds me of one of The Addams Family films. It's Hallowe'en and the kids are going Trick-or-Treating. Puggsley is dressed as Uncle Fester, but Wednesday has her normal clothes on. Morticia asks, "And who are you going as, Wednesday?" Wednesday replies, "I'm a psychopathic killer. We try to blend in with normality as much as possible." I think it's Ronnie, aided by "Charlie Cotton." The incongruous scene in the pub where Ronnie made a great show of "looking for Phil" and her contrived banter with "Charlie" was a clue. Yes, and each one can use the other as an alibi, saying they were together all night afterward. Even "Charlie's" name is a clue. I think this is all about drugs and Ronnie and Charlie are involved. Ronnie is totally without morals.
Not really. As you say, psychopaths, as they progress, like to leave trophy emblems of their work. A body of a young girl found on a deserted common could be a random mugging. How was she killed? Was she raped? Is there evidence that the crime was committed there? If it were, then Ronnie's clever enough to make it look like a mugging. If not, then she had the means of moving the body, i.e. Charlie. The thing about psychopaths is that the longer their crimes go without being detected, the more reckless they become. Someone's bound to clock Ronnie.
I think the killer is a woman, yes.
As much as it pains me to say it and as much as I dislike the character and the actress who plays her, I don't think it's Lauen. |
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| Jamie Fowler | 20 Apr 2014, 14:06 Post #13 |
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Maybe it could be Terry! We didn't see him after the first minute of Friday's episode and there's nothing to say he wasn't out in his cab on Friday night. Hell, maybe Lucy got in his cab asking him to take her to the flats. We know there are secrets about Terry, the actor has hinted to this, and he wouldn't exactly be the first taxi driver to use a nice guy persona to cover up what he was really like. Peter Sutcliffe started out in cabs, and he had a wife at home who didn't suspect a thing whilst he was out killing young women, also I can't imagine Alderton doing more than 18 months on the show. |
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| Mrs Peel | 20 Apr 2014, 14:28 Post #14 |
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Very good point. Cab-driver theory. ;)2 |
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| Mr Branning | 20 Apr 2014, 14:37 Post #15 |
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Terry is a good shout actually - it's been hinted he has a darker side to him - and he's been very intense with Whitney recently. At first he seemed to just be being a nice guy but he has taken a very keen interest in her love life and has been quite over-protective of her. And taxi drivers are always ones to watch out for - if Lucy did get a cab to Walford Common (or he was just driving round that area) then Terry could definitely be involved. Edited by Mr Branning, 20 Apr 2014, 14:37.
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| WalfordE20 | 20 Apr 2014, 14:41 Post #16 |
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The Terry theory is very interesting. Good thinking. I don't think we can read too much into the way characters behave next week , because not even the killer knows they're responsible. In the same vein, I don't think we have much chance at guessing their identity at this stage, because the story is going to twist and turn so much in the coming months. I've got a feeling all is not what it seems. At the moment my suspicions are pointing towards Abi. If she knew about Lucy and Max she'd have reason enough to confront her, and if Lucy had taken coke she may have pushed Abi to breaking point. After all, she saw what Lucy did to Lauren last year and knows how spiteful she can be. At this stage though I think anything- and anyone- is possible. |
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| Winters | 20 Apr 2014, 15:10 Post #17 |
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It don't think it can have been Ronnie. It would be too boring, as she's already killed this year, and it's not worth it to make her a serial-killer. The main thing is whether it was deliberate or not. There are very few who could have deliberately murdered her, but as an accident many more. Someone said in the other thread it has already been announced as a manslaughter and that changes it quite a lot from it having been a murder. |
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| NevermindMe | 20 Apr 2014, 15:14 Post #18 |
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Terry would link the TJ/Cindy story into Lucy's murder. Nikki's also coming back. Terry Aldertons contract is also up in time for the 30th, and Bianca is leaving at Christmas... |
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| Mr Branning | 20 Apr 2014, 15:21 Post #19 |
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It's really interesting that, so far, they have turned the usual whodunnit on its head. Usually, you've got a set of characters, all with strong motives for wanting the victim dead. This time, we have an indefinite amount of suspects, none of whom seem to have concrete motives for actually wanting Lucy dead and, especially if it does turn out to be manslaughter, none of them actually need motives to want her dead - just enough motive to confront her, and that really could be anyone. Let's be honest, the people of Walford don't usually need an excuse to confront people. |
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| Dan | 20 Apr 2014, 15:46 Post #20 |
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It's a really good point that perhaps a serial killer might become more arrogant or careless as they go. I think we can rule out any character who has appeared in the last three years like Terry, Aleks and Jake or a non-entity like Danny because they would have barely any impact at all. I suppose the first mystery that needs to be solved is whether Lucy died on the common or elsewhere and if she did die elsewhere, was she moved or did she get there on her own power and collapse? If she did collapse, was she alone when she died? The spoilers when we first found about Lucy's death did not actually state she was murdered leading me to believe that it was manslaughter. They also stated that even the person responsible for Lucy's death (if she was murdered, why not just say the murderer?) didn't know exactly what happened to Lucy that night. This tallies with my theory of Second Impact Syndrome or delayed reaction a head injury. Lucy may well have received a concussion when she fell in Max's office and a second one before that had cleared up could have caused swelling on the brain which is fatal. Hence, I don't think it would be Ronnie if that is indeed the case. Whoever it is won't have sent Lucy the text as that would be too obvious. The first thing the police will do is try to build a picture of Lucy's final movements from the time she was seen on CCTV walking out of the Square until reaching the Common. This would mean that everything on her phone would be checked for clues. Incoming and outgoing phone calls in that time would be analysed, text messages as well as instant messaging/social networking apps she may have on her phone. Whoever sent the text will be known pretty quickly and I think they will be arrested but released without charge because they are indeed innocent. If it was them, the story would peak too early if they want the reveal to be next Feb. Upon the death being "suspicious", namely that it wasn't of natural causes, a natural accident or suicide, the police would investigate whether Lucy was mugged or raped before she was killed as Mrs Peel said. I would also think that there would be toxicology report particularly when discovered that Lucy was taking cocaine and whether she was under the influence of anything at the time of her death. Realistically, they would also keep Lucy's body as evidence but the show would want to the funeral soon while interest is still at its peak. Edited by Dan, 20 Apr 2014, 15:47.
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