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Who Killed Lucy?; All the theories
Topic Started: 20 Apr 2014, 05:49 (367,922 Views)
Katedahlia
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I have no idea if this figures in but did I miss something or have we never resolved the money Cindy took? Are we meant to just forget about that?
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Hmm so Ian did not actually go back to the restaurant when he said he did, is that the reason why he's trying to get rid of Cindy now because Cindy actually knows that truth? Very interesting development. Also why is Peter trying to flee all of a sudden? Is it grief or is it because he knows something? Or maybe he was the killer? Then again these could be further red herrings.
Edited by Mr Carter, 24 Apr 2014, 20:21.
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24 Apr 2014, 20:13
Hmm so Ian did not actually go back to the restaurant when he said he did, is that the reason why he's trying to get rid of Cindy now because Cindy actually knows that truth? Very interesting development. Also why is Peter trying to flee all of a sudden? Is it grief or is it because he knows something? Or maybe he was the killer? Then again these could be further red herrings.
They were the only small details that I didn't like about tonight's episode. They didn't distract from the main story, but the idea that either of them has something to hide just doesn't sit right with me.
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I could see Peter wanted to just run and get away from everyone to grieve alone.

The Ian red herring was ridiculous. It was definitely not Ian, that would be a mockery and if he was shagging Jane, that would be pretty crap too. I think it was Rob Gittins trying to drop a clever and subtle hint. It wasn't clever and it was as subtle as an anvil.
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Katedahlia
24 Apr 2014, 19:32
I have no idea if this figures in but did I miss something or have we never resolved the money Cindy took? Are we meant to just forget about that?
Yes, Peter found it and told Ian. Ian returned the money to Phil who was about to go his usual mental self before Sharon stepped in and calmed him down and then the storyline was dropped.
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24 Apr 2014, 21:11
Katedahlia
24 Apr 2014, 19:32
I have no idea if this figures in but did I miss something or have we never resolved the money Cindy took? Are we meant to just forget about that?
Yes, Peter found it and told Ian. Ian returned the money to Phil who was about to go his usual mental self before Sharon stepped in and calmed him down and then the storyline was dropped.
Ok, cheers, musta missed it.
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Dan
24 Apr 2014, 20:46
I could see Peter wanted to just run and get away from everyone to grieve alone.

The Ian red herring was ridiculous. It was definitely not Ian, that would be a mockery and if he was shagging Jane, that would be pretty crap too. I think it was Rob Gittins trying to drop a clever and subtle hint. It wasn't clever and it was as subtle as an anvil.
The entire cast is going to have little moments like that though. This just happens to be the first. I don't think there is any way on earth that Ian killed her but he was obviously doing something secretive - which is all a part of the bigger picture.

Looking at the spoilers, tomorrow is when the mystery will really kick in.
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I actually can't decide who I would want to be the killer. I don't want it to feel like an anti-climax after waiting ten months, but I'm worried that making it a major character like Peter could give them a shelf-life and damage them much like it did Stacey. Meanwhile, I don't really want it to be Abi because I'd like her to head off to uni and become a vet. I'm torn.
Edited by WalfordE20, 24 Apr 2014, 23:02.
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23 Apr 2014, 23:42
I've just read a post on Digital Spy, and, wondered whether one of the intelligent (and lovely) people on here could answer this question for me. Do murder victims have to be buried?

I've never heard of that being the case before, so, I wondered if anyone else knew of it.
I don't think anyone has answered this yet.

As far as I'm aware the coroner has no power to say if a body is cremated or buried.

All suspicious deaths are reported to a coroner who will do a post mortem and if they believe the person died violently an inquest will be held. You can't register a death until after the inquest. At the conclusion of the inquest the coroner tells the registrar how to record the death and releases the body for burial or cremation.

I've never heard of any powers to insist on burial, but I'm quite happy to be corrected if anyone knows differently.





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After Peter's questions to the police officer tonight about whether it would have been quick and whether she suffered, I wondered if it was him. He remembers the argument, she hit her head - it had never occurred to him. But now he wonders, asks whether it was quick, to reassure himself. When she doesn't answer straight away, he panics that she suspects and tries to cover his tracks, saying he wants to know whether she suffered...

And Lauren said Lucy was going to phone Peter. If she didn't, why not? But if she did, why didn't he say so? Why would he keep that quiet?

I think Peter might be an early red herring, in which case my current bet is Whitney. That would work with DTC's "that's upsetting" comment as we've come to know Whitney, follow her struggle to better herself and overcome the Tony thing, only for her to throw her whole life away like this. It would certainly be sad to think a moment of jealousy caused one to die and one to become a killer.
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24 Apr 2014, 02:27
I'm going to have to go with Johnny Carter. Lucy letting student flats in Walford and Johnny being at Uni... Johnny has an appointment to view a flat, but Lucy plans to flee Walford with secret dealer Johnny's stash money, blackmailing him into telling his family (which would be too painful for Johnny) - she walks the shortcut through the Common towards the Square trying to call Johnny's bluff, who follows her... and panics.

The truth factor is in the fact that rejection/disdain from family/parents is almost unbearable, as Johnny partly knows with Linda's struggles to come to terms with his sexuality.

There is our killer. Johnny Carter.
Liking this theory. Nice powerful motive. She would feel safe meeting Johnny, hes a slight guy, not very threatening. He isnt a killer though.

but his brother is. And she used him for a one nighter. (or hour, if you wish). He didnt like that. He finds out about the black mail, gets Johhny to txt her, and bingo!


But seriously, I think this is all red herring stuff. To make it last for 10 months, every cast member is going to fall under suspicion, the more obvious ones at the start, and they will get discounted in coming weeks. The closer we get to the reveal, those are the characters to watch. Look at Archie, all the obvious ones got arrested at the start and later cleared. Same as Heather.

Only Johnny is there, thinking Lee is only going to rough her up a bit. Things get a bit out of control and Lucy ends up dead. Johnny, feeling a bit remorseful, makes sure she is found fully clothed, etc. He probably prevented Lee from raping her.
Edited by Professor Plum, 25 Apr 2014, 01:30.
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I do think Hettie was far too posh and refined for Eastenders. She really didn't suit the character and had nothing in common with the previous incarnation of Lucy. But she had this frailty about her, she was so delicate, and there was something soulful and more spiritual about her. So I will miss her presence on the show, even if she wasn't the best actress. You don't get to see many of that type on EE.

But I'm a bit pissed she has been killed off as it will now be on Peter's shoulders to continue the Beale legacy. He's the only one with any real history on the show and a recast wouldn't work after this big storyline. But most likely he'll leave and it will be left to Bobby and Cindy to continue the Beale line, which seems wrong. Steven and the Beale twins were the original Beale kids who's been watched for decades.
Edited by Winters, 25 Apr 2014, 18:48.
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I think Lucy's death will damage the Beales in the long-run, though for now I'm more than happy to see where this goes and let the mystery unfold.

Concerning Hetti, she started to come into her own towards the end but I always struggled to connect her with Lucy. The newer version was a little too posh for my liking and, for a great deal of her stint, too wet and fragile. I appreciate she grew up a lot from the rebellious teen she once was, but she went from that to crying all of the time and I found that hard to grasp. Hetti's Lucy was definitely more three-dimensional than Melissa's, but her acting ability was inconsistent and I was hoping she'd eventually disappear and come back with a new head. Still, this has put her into EastEnders history so at least that's something. I just hope they don't regret the decision to kill her.
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Hetti was actually alright in 2012 when Lucy was having to cope with everything during Ian's breakdown, the early part of it anyway. I think things started going awry when the association with Joey began, for a start Hetti was 17 compared to David Witts' 23 and I think she lacked the confidence and experience to pull off that relationships and Lucy ended up coming across as being utterly obsessed with Joey. She kind of fell into a whole, and when Lucy returned to petty scheming Hetti began struggling more and it became noticeable how weak she was when Ben Hardy arrived and pretty much won over everybody within a week.
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They definitely need to get Peter to impregenate someone quick as Ben Hardy really does not sound like he is going to stick around.
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MrJames
25 Apr 2014, 19:38
They definitely need to get Peter to impregenate someone quick as Ben Hardy really does not sound like he is going to stick around.
I wouldn't be surprised if he gets Lauren pregnant by the years end.
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MrJames
25 Apr 2014, 19:38
They definitely need to get Peter to impregenate someone quick as Ben Hardy really does not sound like he is going to stick around.
Where has he said that? :(

I think he will eventually get Lauren pregnant.
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25 Apr 2014, 20:36
MrJames
25 Apr 2014, 19:38
They definitely need to get Peter to impregenate someone quick as Ben Hardy really does not sound like he is going to stick around.
Where has he said that? :(

I think he will eventually get Lauren pregnant.
It's just a feeling I get from his various interviews. He definitely has a life planned post-Eastenders.

I just adore how the whodunit element has taken a complete backseat this week. Anyone who thought it would be pure plot or pure sensationalism has been confronted with a wall of grief.

I also love the thought of all the new and returning viewers watching expecting some big suspicious drama, and again, been confronted with this wall of grief.
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Hetti was too FEMININE. Most East Enders females are hard man-girls. But it was nice to have something different.
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So far, Dom has kept to his word. The entire week has been rooted in truth; raw emotion- rather than contrived, plot-driven tedium. There have been a few small hints at building suspects, but they didn't distract from the grief.

One thing I picked up on tonight was Alfie saying he'd done a deal with Aleks. Drugs maybe?
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