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| Who Killed Lucy?; All the theories | |
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| Fehnder | 3 Jan 2015, 22:34 Post #1981 |
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Do you know, I received a pm that said the exact same thing haha. Admittedly it wasn't sent by jake wood. |
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| MrJames | 3 Jan 2015, 22:39 Post #1982 |
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100 pages of pure speculation. Well done everyone. |
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| Swirly | 3 Jan 2015, 22:42 Post #1983 |
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Ian is certainly still in my list of possibilities; it would certainly fit with the teasers we first had "Walford will never be the same again", "it's tragic" and with Mrs Peel's suggestion "the person who did it doesn't know they did it" |
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| Dan | 3 Jan 2015, 22:51 Post #1984 |
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If it were Ian, Ben and Jane would definitely would do anything possible to mislead and keep the truth from Ian, as it seems they have done so far, as the knowledge that he has killed his own daughter would destroy him and they would probably think keeping him in ignorance for the best. If it were Ian, he probably knows deep down hence it was easier to let himself think it was Jake. Emma's line at the park was very cleverly written: "That doesn't change anything, it's still murder" If they wanted us to be in no doubt that Emma was talking to the killer, the line would have been: "That doesn't change anything, you still killed her" or words to that effect. This could be the killer or someone pleading on the killer's behalf as it looks like whoever Emma was talking to has put forward mitigating circumstances for Lucy's killer, whether it was them or someone else. Ben and Jane could well think that Ian's mental illness and blackout of the incident is a mitigating circumstance and could be putting forward that Ian has suffered enough and could not cope with being told what he's done. The "it wasn't there" conversation could be Emma thinking she is talking to Jane as she had bleeding on the brain, was disorientated, confused and was dying at that time. It may not have been directed at Max at all. The only thing against it is that Ian would eventually have to find out even if Jane and Ben did frame Nick and I don't think Ian could live with himself if he did. I still think that if it's Ian, Adam Woodyatt is calling it a day and if he's not, it won't be Ian. It would be truly upsetting, shocking and riveting TV if it was him though. |
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| david | 3 Jan 2015, 22:56 Post #1985 |
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A very interesting theory which could make sense of a lot of things. I can’t quite take it on board yet, but it could just be true. I’ve no idea about the psychological feasibility of Ian blocking his memory of killing Lucy in this way. Jane could have gone to the park and explained to Emma that Ian did it, but had mentally denied it. To which Emma replied “it’s still murder”. There were scenes involving Jane, Ian and Ben when Denise found the phone and wallet. Ben and Jane would have played along with Ian’s mental denial of the reality. I can’t recall if Jane and Ben were ever alone. I think Jane asked Ian if he believed Ben’s story, perhaps she was just testing him. Would Jane have proposed to Ian after she knew that he was capable of killing Lucy and then mentally denying it? It is possible that she thought that it was the best way of keeping control of the situation and ensuring that nothing ever came out. |
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| Professor Plum | 3 Jan 2015, 22:56 Post #1986 |
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I think Max is involved, he cared about Lucy way more than he did Emma. Somewhere in the last few pages, someone has posted an episode. The boys are in the cafe, giggling over finding Lucy and Lee. (Jay is wearing THAT hat), Max gets up and shoulders one of the boys. That shows he cared about her, he didnt like what they were saying, a) it was disrespectful and b)she had been shagging Lee, someone closer her own age did he ever show that much feeling for Emma? He even let her go to her hearings on her own. I havent seen Christmas day yet, but have seen the stuff where Emma takes the computer. During all this, Emma is concerned about her job. Max doesnt really seem to care. The only time I have seen Max even look like he cares about her, was when they began their affair, and it seemed more about getting into her knickers than a genuine relationship. He didnt even seem that enthusiastic about her moving in. I think it is a good point someone has reminded us again about the clothes. I think it is significant because I think the whole LB Lettings was set up with this story in mind. I think this story has been planned from the appointement of Hetti Baywater. The girls are of similar height, Hettie is a little more angular than Joss but with their hair up or covered they could pass as each other. They did wear their hair in this manner and we havent seen Lauren wear hers that way since. I have my team in uniforms, and I can mistake my husband with one of my employees quite easily if I am coming up to them from behind and they are slightly obscured. I dont know why one of the suspects (Beales/Brannings/Whitney) would want to kill Lauren anymore than they would want to kill Lucy. ian has certainly lost the plot, but I dont think it is him. Jane is covering for someone. Would she cover for Ian? Would she cover for one of her best friends daughters? Ben and Jay know a little more than they are letting on, but again, if they knew, we should have heard a bit more in their conversations. I did think we didnt see all of what was going on between Jay and Abi. I know Jay was dead keen to get out of Walford, but at the time, it seemed Abi getting into school in a different area was just an excuse to leave, but maybe it was more than that? Jay is a fleer not a fighter. He is loyal and wont betray anyone, but he would rather not be involved. Look what happened when Heather was killed? he wanted to be honest about it, but let Ben persuade him otherwise. They also panicked and left Heather where she fell. Whoever did this didnt panic. Or at least, whoever helped them didnt panic. They knew exactly what they were doing. I also find it hard to believe that with all the movement going on round the area that night, no one saw. Just a thought: where were the pictures of Max and Lucy kissing taken? The reason I ask, is I assume they would have driven there. How did Abi get there? or were they close by? How did Lucy and Lauren get to their appointments? Surely not by bus or train?? (bit of cultural difference here, in NZ a land agent would NEVER take public transport, they would arrange to meet the client, either at the house or the office and drive them there. But then, we dont have a public transport system like you do) I am also totally gutted Mrs Peals first theory is not correct. I so wanted it to be Ronnie and her theory fitted at the time. Will also be a bit gutted if its Ian, even with the memory suppression. Still, I suppose Adam could get a very long holiday, while Ian is getting help in a hospital. Can anyone remember what the Branning reactions were like when they heard the news? Nick has to be involved in this somehow, weather he be set up for it or something else. There is a reason he is here, and I dont buy this story about people being after him (why havent they been round looking for their money? Even if they knew he was dead, they would still be looking for a stash or a bank account or something). Nick scamming money off Dot, Ronnie, etc is pure Nick, normally, once hes got what he wants, he leaves. He aint leaving. Hes here til Feb 19th. Why? Also, where are the Whites? They were so concerned about their missing son, they went in search of him, couldnt find him but did find Ronnie who told them what happened. Do you think they would just leave it? Even if they did believe her, they would still have gone to the cops. Edited by Professor Plum, 3 Jan 2015, 23:04.
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| Jedi Pat | 3 Jan 2015, 22:58 Post #1987 |
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My main issue with it being Ian during some sort of psychotic episode, and Jane and/or Ben being involved in the cover-up, is that I can't see at all how Emma could have correctly arrived at that particular conclusion, especially as her epiphany seemed to be triggered by Dean's remark about being out of the room for five minutes when Patrick had a fall... |
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| Professor Plum | 3 Jan 2015, 23:05 Post #1988 |
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Did we hear the killer speak, when they were talking to Emma in the park? |
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| Mr Carter | 3 Jan 2015, 23:08 Post #1989 |
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Just to keep the hype and momentum going here's the brilliant initial trailer: http://youtu.be/ADNwkxrCtd4 |
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| Fehnder | 3 Jan 2015, 23:10 Post #1990 |
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In terms of max and Lucy, I think he was just jealous and annoyed that Lucy was seeing other people that wasn't him. I don't think he cared especially about her. And I think the girls used maxs car? I'm sure they used a car anyway. The kissing was at the common where the flats are. If Lucy died on the square, I don't think it was in the beale house or at the party. The party had too many people and the beale house has too many variables, Denise and Cindy. Does masood corroborate Janes alibi? I couldn't see Jane coverng for anyone other than a beale. Personally if she's covering I think.it would be for Ian or peter, not Cindy. I think keeping Ian from the truth would be important to Jane. Also, randomly remembered. Ian said to Denise after emma had died that he knew people had said he'd ruined her life but she was doing well by herself? Emma told whoever was in the park that they (the killer? Or the person at the park) had ruined too many lives. I think Emma would only meet and hear someone out if she genuinely thought there was a reason. I just think so "tragic" and "from the heart" it was always going to be a beale. If it's Ian, Adam will have known from the start I'm sure of it, and I think the only way he would allow it is for the actual killing to be completely accidental or indirect by Ian. Where that would leave Ian as a character? Who knows. Ot would depend if he found out? Or if the secret stayed with those residents who know, who frame nick. Also, with the it wasn't there conversation. Perhaps she meant because max had mentioned taking tramp out? He should know that Jane seeing Lauren was a lie because the car wasn't on the square. I reckon max and abi are just covering their bums regarding the car lot fall. |
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| Professor Plum | 3 Jan 2015, 23:10 Post #1991 |
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Someone has just reminded me of something. If they film about 6 weeks in advance, surely the actor/ess would know if they were the killer by now? They should be filming or at least rehearsing scenes for after the reveal. |
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| Fehnder | 3 Jan 2015, 23:11 Post #1992 |
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| WalfordE20 | 3 Jan 2015, 23:15 Post #1993 |
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I couldn't buy it if they made Ian the killer. The follow-up to his breakdown was so poor that for them to suddenly bring it to the forefront as the cause of Lucy's death would feel like a shark-jumper, particularly to casual viewers. For me, the person whose reaction has been most consistent is Peter's. |
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| Mr Carter | 3 Jan 2015, 23:15 Post #1994 |
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Yep that's correct, I think the producers said they would tell them in January. |
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| Professor Plum | 3 Jan 2015, 23:20 Post #1995 |
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can you all please go to bed? I seriously need to get some work done, but cant stay off this site! :'( |
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| NevermindMe | 3 Jan 2015, 23:22 Post #1996 |
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Wellard killed Lucy. |
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| Fehnder | 3 Jan 2015, 23:31 Post #1997 |
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I also saw that they'd be told in January. Has anyone noticed Jane has literally no alibi? Up until she said she saw Lauren she had no alibi at all. I feel like I've wasted my whole day! ![]() I'm convinced that there is evidence we aren't open to. Timings of certain things in particular. It could mean emma knew max saw something he shouldn't have in the square? I think it's not definitely solvable with just the information we have now. But there's some majorly great ideas! Edited by Fehnder, 3 Jan 2015, 23:34.
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| bobbyjo | 3 Jan 2015, 23:45 Post #1998 |
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Has anyone mentioned that b&b empty on the night Lucy killed? Also when Denise and Patrick move back in August it's in dissaray as if there had been a fight. Maybe Lucy murdered here then moved to common in early hours? Maybe Max as he still had key to b&b? Abi or Lauren could know about the key. Also obviously Denise would know it was empty.
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| Katie | 3 Jan 2015, 23:47 Post #1999 |
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That looks like a great clue, but then I remembered James Payne probably wouldn't have known who the killer was when he wrote the script, and if he was told to put it in then it would have given it away. At least a few of the writers will have to know by now though. Have we heard when the rest of the cast will find out? I'm hoping it won't be done the same as Archie's death where no one knew until the day of the live episode. |
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| Dan | 3 Jan 2015, 23:51 Post #2000 |
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If DTC is a fan of Shutter Island, we may have our answer... |
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