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Who Killed Lucy?; All the theories
Topic Started: 20 Apr 2014, 05:49 (367,831 Views)
DRAPPLEdreamers1992
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Tend to agree with the above comments. As much as I really REALLY want it to be Ian due to a psychotic episode that is such a risky storyline, my gut instinct says no. Just It could either go amazingly well or alarmingly bad and for a producer like Dominic Tread-Well. He has been so so over careful with Eastenders this year and has made some very strategic choices with the cast and shedding dead weight characters to polish the soap to a new standard. What with the risk of such a story flopping, self preservation is bound to take hold. & I wouldn't buy Ian finding out that he had killed his daughter on the nineteenth after all the showers and confetti cause we'll undoubtedly find out in the last seconds of tha episode. Adam Woodyatt has expressed concern about not wanting to be the killer, and in an interview has said he would disagree with Tread-Well if it came to light.

Definitely agree with the theory about Jane's car, whatever it means. And max taking the dog for a walk is such a lame excuse to go out that it had to be crucified by an Emma's epiphany. That's why she ran out the house at the moment Max came in the kitchen, because it occurred to her that max couldn't have gone outside without noticing at least something. I.E a light on in the Beal house etc...

Yeah I do think Max genuinely cared abut Lucy but he knew it was a lost cause deep down. I don't think Max ever had real feelings for Emma, though he might have tried to care to get over Lucy. It would be poignant if Max's "I'm sorry" to Emma's corpse was simply a moment of sincerity from Max. He's sorry he couldn't bring himself to love Emma when like a cruel joke from fate Emma has died owning to being involved in the Lucy's case.
I thought peter was possible. The Jewelry box for instance I can see him planting it out of spite if he really was upset about Lucy being the better half of himself. Since it was addressed to Beth, who Ian seems to be transferring his "maternal" feelings onto now. I can see Peters message being something like don't let her grow up to be a basket case. Or she's your next mistake. Cindy's "I can still feel Lucy" in the Beal house. Peter pretty much split his soul with Lucy, they knew everything about each other. Lucy's fright on Good Friday when she was screaming peter's name. Why not just call or text him? He was bound to come back.
I reckon those photos in Billy's flat were Lola's? Maybe in some twisted way she was aspiring to be Lucy so to feel accepted by peter. Also she sounded jealous when asking Lucy on Friday in they've fallen out. Lucy was a wedge between them.
Breathes. Rant over. I'm still interested how Jake, Billy, Jay , Jane and Max are involved as we have sussed all these people at least know a little secret each, or a big one between each other.
P.S I also agree that the culprit won't go down and that Nasty Nick will get a nice fat helping of Eastenders karma. There's got to be some good coming out of this.
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Thinking about Peter, I can't totally rule him out yet. Remember the episode where Ben returned, and he and Peter came face to face in the pub. Ben mumbled that he was sorry about Lucy and Peter awkwardly said thanks. That whole exchange just seemed very off to me. At the time, I put it down to Peter being uncomfortable about being around Ben after he killed Heather, but what if it was more than that. There seemed to be something underlying there. If Peter did it, and Ben and Jay stumbled upon it, I'm pretty sure Ben would cover for him. Also, after Ben explained to Ian how he found Lucy's possessions, he then returned home and Jay asked him what he told Ian and if he knew everything. Ben replied "If he knew everything, would I be sitting here?"

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SausageSurprise
3 Jan 2015, 22:58
My main issue with it being Ian during some sort of psychotic episode, and Jane and/or Ben being involved in the cover-up, is that I can't see at all how Emma could have correctly arrived at that particular conclusion, especially as her epiphany seemed to be triggered by Dean's remark about being out of the room for five minutes when Patrick had a fall...
Because Emma contacted Jane, thinking Jane was the killer. Assuming that "it wasn't there" referred to Jane's car being missing on the night of the killing, with her saying she was in at Masood's, then Emma may have assumed Jane was the killer. Jane could have explained the situation to Emma, negotiating and asking her to keep the fact that Ian killed Lucy a secret.

Someone suggested that Emma may have been talking to someone who was covering for the killer, and that would be Jane.
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Professor Plum
3 Jan 2015, 23:10
Someone has just reminded me of something.

If they film about 6 weeks in advance, surely the actor/ess would know if they were the killer by now? They should be filming or at least rehearsing scenes for after the reveal.
Dominic Treadwell-Collins said that they planned on telling the actor/actress who would be revealed as the killer in January. As I imagine the cast aren't back from Christmas break until Monday, no one's been told yet.
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bobbyjo
3 Jan 2015, 23:45
Has anyone mentioned that b&b empty on the night Lucy killed? Also when Denise and Patrick move back in August it's in dissaray as if there had been a fight. Maybe Lucy murdered here then moved to common in early hours? Maybe Max as he still had key to b&b? Abi or Lauren could know about the key. Also obviously Denise would know it was empty. :-/
I had thought of that, but I'm not sure of the timing. I don't think it could have been empty from the time of Lucy's death until when Denise returned. Didn't Patrick live there before he had his stroke, but after Lucy died?

I thought it was strange that the thrashing of the place was not mentioned again and we don't know if it was reported to the police.
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WalfordE20
3 Jan 2015, 23:15
For me, the person whose reaction has been most consistent is Peter's.
I actually agree with this, and no one has bothered questioning Peter about his whereabouts on the night of the murder. Were it not for the fact that it's been announced that the actor is leaving the show, I would have Peter right up there as the main suspect. As Anna Acton said - and she'd done her homework with the police - in murders like this, it's usually found to be someone well within the family dynamic. The coppers should have been all over both Ian and Peter like bad rashes.

However, announcing Ben Hardy departing is like stating the bleeding obvious. He may as well walk around reciting his lines with a yellow post-it on his forehead emblazoned LUCY'S KILLER.
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david
4 Jan 2015, 00:40
bobbyjo
3 Jan 2015, 23:45
Has anyone mentioned that b&b empty on the night Lucy killed? Also when Denise and Patrick move back in August it's in dissaray as if there had been a fight. Maybe Lucy murdered here then moved to common in early hours? Maybe Max as he still had key to b&b? Abi or Lauren could know about the key. Also obviously Denise would know it was empty. :-/
I had thought of that, but I'm not sure of the timing. I don't think it could have been empty from the time of Lucy's death until when Denise returned. Didn't Patrick live there before he had his stroke, but after Lucy died?

I thought it was strange that the thrashing of the place was not mentioned again and we don't know if it was reported to the police.
Yeah, Patrick was seen many times in the b&b after Lucy's death but before his stroke. The trashing came much, much later than Lucy's death.
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bobbyjo
3 Jan 2015, 23:45
Has anyone mentioned that b&b empty on the night Lucy killed? Also when Denise and Patrick move back in August it's in dissaray as if there had been a fight. Maybe Lucy murdered here then moved to common in early hours? Maybe Max as he still had key to b&b? Abi or Lauren could know about the key. Also obviously Denise would know it was empty. :-/
Patrick was on holiday when the murder occurred, and returned shortly afterward - in enough time to be left behind with Denise and Libby for Lucy's funeral. After that, he lived alone in the B and B until he had his stroke. It was only after Denise finished with Ian and moved with Patrick back to the B and B that they found it had been vandalised inside, and that was from the time of Patrick's stroke until he and Denise left Ian.

When Denise originally tried to leave Ian, before Lucy's funeral, she had fled to Patrick at the B and B.
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DRAPPLEdreamers1992
4 Jan 2015, 00:08
Tend to agree with the above comments. As much as I really REALLY want it to be Ian due to a psychotic episode that is such a risky storyline, my gut instinct says no. Just It could either go amazingly well or alarmingly bad and for a producer like Dominic Tread-Well. He has been so so over careful with Eastenders this year and has made some very strategic choices with the cast and shedding dead weight characters to polish the soap to a new standard. What with the risk of such a story flopping, self preservation is bound to take hold. & I wouldn't buy Ian finding out that he had killed his daughter on the nineteenth after all the showers and confetti cause we'll undoubtedly find out in the last seconds of tha episode. Adam Woodyatt has expressed concern about not wanting to be the killer, and in an interview has said he would disagree with Tread-Well if it came to light.

Definitely agree with the theory about Jane's car, whatever it means. And max taking the dog for a walk is such a lame excuse to go out that it had to be crucified by an Emma's epiphany. That's why she ran out the house at the moment Max came in the kitchen, because it occurred to her that max couldn't have gone outside without noticing at least something. I.E a light on in the Beal house etc...

Yeah I do think Max genuinely cared abut Lucy but he knew it was a lost cause deep down. I don't think Max ever had real feelings for Emma, though he might have tried to care to get over Lucy. It would be poignant if Max's "I'm sorry" to Emma's corpse was simply a moment of sincerity from Max. He's sorry he couldn't bring himself to love Emma when like a cruel joke from fate Emma has died owning to being involved in the Lucy's case.
I thought peter was possible. The Jewelry box for instance I can see him planting it out of spite if he really was upset about Lucy being the better half of himself. Since it was addressed to Beth, who Ian seems to be transferring his "maternal" feelings onto now. I can see Peters message being something like don't let her grow up to be a basket case. Or she's your next mistake. Cindy's "I can still feel Lucy" in the Beal house. Peter pretty much split his soul with Lucy, they knew everything about each other. Lucy's fright on Good Friday when she was screaming peter's name. Why not just call or text him? He was bound to come back.
I reckon those photos in Billy's flat were Lola's? Maybe in some twisted way she was aspiring to be Lucy so to feel accepted by peter. Also she sounded jealous when asking Lucy on Friday in they've fallen out. Lucy was a wedge between them.
Breathes. Rant over. I'm still interested how Jake, Billy, Jay , Jane and Max are involved as we have sussed all these people at least know a little secret each, or a big one between each other.
P.S I also agree that the culprit won't go down and that Nasty Nick will get a nice fat helping of Eastenders karma. There's got to be some good coming out of this.
:O2
Dot will hand Nick in herself after finding out about Reg and the car.
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leobeast
4 Jan 2015, 00:29
Thinking about Peter, I can't totally rule him out yet. Remember the episode where Ben returned, and he and Peter came face to face in the pub. Ben mumbled that he was sorry about Lucy and Peter awkwardly said thanks. That whole exchange just seemed very off to me. At the time, I put it down to Peter being uncomfortable about being around Ben after he killed Heather, but what if it was more than that. There seemed to be something underlying there. If Peter did it, and Ben and Jay stumbled upon it, I'm pretty sure Ben would cover for him. Also, after Ben explained to Ian how he found Lucy's possessions, he then returned home and Jay asked him what he told Ian and if he knew everything. Ben replied "If he knew everything, would I be sitting here?"

Hm, good point. I simply put Peter's antisocial behaviour down to wooden acting. Again this is a reason why I somewhat doubt it to be Peter, because I don't think he could pull off a more aggressive act or a live scene. I only suggest him because I feel he has a purer motive than most of the suspects. Another reason why lola is still on my list. She was amazing during that live episode she had a baby. Adam (Ian) seems a bit burnt out, but I woud like it to be Ian. And you're right Ben's comment to jay actually fits perfectly in context of some guys keeping a secret. Peter could have taken Jane's car? I'm not sure the car bit needs to be explained.
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I knew we'd get past page 100 a few hours ago!

And we still have little idea about the basic timeline of the night.

We're never going to get these hours back. A whole Saturday gone forever. Well played Treadwell-Collins, well played.
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Mrs Peel
4 Jan 2015, 00:43
WalfordE20
3 Jan 2015, 23:15
For me, the person whose reaction has been most consistent is Peter's.
I actually agree with this, and no one has bothered questioning Peter about his whereabouts on the night of the murder. Were it not for the fact that it's been announced that the actor is leaving the show, I would have Peter right up there as the main suspect. As Anna Acton said - and she'd done her homework with the police - in murders like this, it's usually found to be someone well within the family dynamic. The coppers should have been all over both Ian and Peter like bad rashes.

However, announcing Ben Hardy departing is like stating the bleeding obvious. He may as well walk around reciting his lines with a yellow post-it on his forehead emblazoned LUCY'S KILLER.
It leaked through after rumours of his name being on a shortlist for a Hollywood role. It was not planned he would depart.
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Jake's loving this.
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I've been thinking it was Ian since he threw up in the sink after the police left. Frankly, I would be disappointed if it won't be, as no one else will really interest me. Peter might have been interesting, but I don't think it's him, he's not long-term enough to create a MASSIVE impact.
Edited by Winters, 4 Jan 2015, 02:02.
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I'm in the kitchen eating a biscuit
I hope this Ian theory doesn't materialise. Talk about jumping the shark :(

This mystery just has 'Jane' written all over it now. It's all fallen into place.
Massive thanks to NickM for this wonderful signature! :)

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Winters
4 Jan 2015, 02:01
I've been thinking it was Ian since he threw up in the sink after the police left. Frankly, I would be disappointed if it won't be, as no one else will really interest me. Peter might have been interesting, but I don't think it's him, he's not long-term enough to create a MASSIVE impact.
Ben hardy isnt, but the character is

Say it was an accidental type killing, cos lets face it, Peter would never cold bloodedly kill Lucy. Ben/Peter heads off to jail and in a few years time, NuPeter arrives back on the scene.
While he was having a holiday at her majesty's pleasure, he has also learnt more about the cooking trade, so can take over a restaurant, as NuMartin is still running grandaddys stall
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That would be my second guess, but somehow I don't think it's him. His profile hasn't been that high, at least not in the sense that we've really connected with him. And even if the character is old, our emotional connection is with the actor who now plays him, it won't really feel like any of the other Peters did it.
Edited by Winters, 4 Jan 2015, 02:56.
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Have we cracked it yet?
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nah.
problem is, we dont really have much to go on.
I have never done jury service, but this feels a bit like it.
We have been presented with a crime, the evidence is drip fed to us but out of sequence, some of it is not evidence at all, just red herrings and we cant ask questions as to what is true and relevant and what isnt!

but much like a sore tooth, I cant stop rubbing my tongue over it. :(
Just livin' in perfect New Zealand!
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Professor Plum
4 Jan 2015, 03:17
nah.
problem is, we dont really have much to go on.
I have never done jury service, but this feels a bit like it.
We have been presented with a crime, the evidence is drip fed to us but out of sequence, some of it is not evidence at all, just red herrings and we cant ask questions as to what is true and relevant and what isnt!

but much like a sore tooth, I cant stop rubbing my tongue over it. :(
Ha! Brilliant.
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