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Who Killed Lucy?; All the theories
Topic Started: 20 Apr 2014, 05:49 (367,829 Views)
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Ludek
4 Jan 2015, 08:10
Lee is the killer!

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And by the way I'm from the Czech Republic and it's missing in the Choose Country box.... you have bloody unimportant Austria there :D ...
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no 10. across- is that "instant"? Perhaps her death was instant and that rules out the head wound in the car lot. Dom Tread-Well did mention it was a red herring, but it was also a clue. Perhaps it was a sign that we can rule out Abi and Max's involvement.

I see "saunter" as well. Hum Lee's name is closely positioned to this word and that's pretty much him all over. Remember when Lauren called Lee out on being arrogant and assuming things about Lucy and Whitney's relationship. She said "what did you know about the pair of them? Other than how to get them both into bed"..

I don't think Lee and Whitney were in on it together. As when Lee returned from the Army after Lucy's death, there was barely any recollection between himself and Whitney. He didn't understand what he had done wrong when obviously two timing the girls and resulting in Whitney blowing Lee off and Lee weirdly stalking her for episodes on end until she cared. It's possible Lee has some issues and he did it but not possible they killed Lucy together. I don't think it was Whitney by herself, her complete non-alibi positions her in view of suspicion too easily.

At the bottom their is a word going down is starting with "Att-" but it's cut off. What do you reckon that is? "Attitude" perhaps? A subtle reminder of Abi's change in attitude about her uni-lifestyle. Perhaps she's not in the clear after all. Their is a "vet" word also linking to her. Abi is smart and knows a whole world of science and DNA the other don't. I.E she might have gone to extreme measures to hide her own DNA.

Lastly their is "Unison" and "Endeavour". I've no clue what those words mean. Unison suggests that two people are involved in what happened. Their were three people around the off licensed taxi. We don't know who else was involved. I'd like to know where that taxi stopped with Lucy and Jake. Could that location have corresponded with Ben and Jays at the time they attempted to robb that store. We have a map now fellow detectives so...
Hey! attempt begins with "Att". Someone attempted to do something? Gosh reading way too much into this!
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I am totally confused by this plot

What is Ben and Jay hiding ? as we know from a previous episode Ben deliberately left out details on the night of lucy's death saying that he told Ian what happened but only enough to keep Ian from dogging him to police

Also he said he found Lucy's bag on the street and they took her phone and purse. its bit random and seems very unbelievable as it was found where her body was found

Abi has been getting more erractic in recent months but her darker side wasnt truely revealed until jay ended their relationship (after lucy died) so I cant think of a big enough excuse

theres something odd with the picture from patricks house.....

why a picture of that has any significance? does the finger point at Denise or possibly Ian ?
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4 Jan 2015, 15:13
Ross
4 Jan 2015, 02:37
I hope this Ian theory doesn't materialise. Talk about jumping the shark :(

Jumping the shark? Not at all. Did you read Anna Acton's interview? She's done her research homework. In most situations like Lucy's killing, the perpetrator is usually found to be a close relative or someone the victim knows well and trusts. The first thing the police would have done would have been all over Ian like a bad rash, especially once they'd heard about his last quarrel with Lucy and the sort of tempestuous relationship they had. The second suspect in question would be Peter, and even moreso, regarding Lucy's drug use and the part he played in that.

Ian could easily have accidentally killed his daughter, and considering his recent mental breakdown, and with the physical manifestations of that re-surfacing again, he could easily have blocked the incident out.

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This mystery just has 'Jane' written all over it now. It's all fallen into place.


As a collaborator but not as a perpetrator.
Exactly. Anna Acton's interview could mean anything. Ian isn't the only member of the Beale household. If the killer is somebody THAT close to Lucy, then Peter, Jane, Cindy, Max and Lauren - maybe even Denise - all fit the bill in the exact same way that Ian does.

I highly doubt Ian will ever become a killer. It just does not fit in with his character - breakdown or not. There were no 'manifestations' of Ian's breakdown before Lucy was murdered, so this theory just feels like an attempt at grasping at straws. Adam Woodyatt seems happy at EastEnders, and the only way the killer would ever be Ian is if Adam decided to leave. Judging by his comments a few months back about "not being happy if Ian is the killer" show that this is highly unlikely for the time being. If anything, making Ian the killer would completely destroy the Beale's. The plot being suggested regarding Ian not knowing he killed Lucy and everyone covering it up for him - and then Ian getting away with the murder - just sounds like a load of sensationalist junk. This show needs to move away from sensationalism, not towards it.

RE: Jane. It is becoming rather evident to me that she is involved. I believe she murdered Lucy and you believe she helped to cover up the murder. Fair enough. Please don't pass off my opinion and make out that yours is a solid fact when none of us are aware of the killer's identity yet. Thank you.
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I would say that Ben could have come back with Lucy and the driver. Jake was blind drunk and doesn't know who Ben is anyway and the driver seemed to be about to reveal something before Peter intimidated him.

However, Max stated that he saw Lucy and Jake while out walking Tramp. Jake and the cab driver confirmed that Jake was so drunk he couldn't stand up and that he fell out of the cab. Jake's a fairly big guy, much bigger than Lucy and when that drunk, people are deadweight and very difficult to lift even to walk with them. Someone must have helped Lucy get Jake into his flat and if Ben was there, I see no reason why he'd cover for Ben. Unless Max lied about seeing Lucy for his own reasons?

Or, it's possible that Max helped Lucy get Jake into the flat and there was some kind of confrontation there that wasn't fatal but Max doesn't want it known to the police. Lucy may have even told him something that disturbed him and he is hiding. Perhaps Abi got it out of him too.

I would like to see Jake back for this because I think there is something in his subconscious that may come to the fore that he simply didn't remember at the time because he was so drunk. I don't think Jamie Lomas said it was definitely the end for the character so he may be back around anniversary week.

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Ross
4 Jan 2015, 16:58
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4 Jan 2015, 15:13

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Exactly. Anna Acton's interview could mean anything. Ian isn't the only member of the Beale household. If the killer is somebody THAT close to Lucy, then Peter, Jane and Cindy all fit the bill in the exact same way that Ian does.

I highly doubt Ian will ever become a killer. It just does not fit in with his character - breakdown or not. There were no 'manifestations' of Ian's breakdown before Lucy was murdered, so this theory just feels like an attempt at grasping at straws. Adam Woodyatt seems happy at EastEnders, and the only way the killer would ever be Ian is if Adam decided to leave. Judging by his comments a few months back about "not being happy if Ian is the killer" show that this is highly unlikely for the time being. If anything, making Ian the killer would completely destroy the Beale's. The plot being suggested regarding Ian not knowing he killed Lucy and everyone covering it up for him - and then Ian getting away with the murder - just sounds like a load of sensationalist junk. This show needs to move away from sensationalism, not towards it.

RE: Jane. It is becoming rather evident to me that she is involved. I believe she murdered to Lucy and you believe she didn't. Fair enough. Please don't pass off my opinion and make out that yours is a solid fact when none of us aware of the killer's identity yet. Thank you.
Ian's breakdown started in earnest when he was sitting on a huge secret, namely that Ben killed Heather. He'd been burdened with the awful news that his brother murdered an innocent woman, Ben emotionally blackmailed him and Phil threatened him into keeping quiet and this, on top of the other things in his life, drove him to his breakdown.

If Ian has emotionally blocked out killing Lucy, the manifestations may have re-emerged as he gets closer and closer to remembering what really happened and are signs that he can't handle the secret.

Jane pretty much forcing Peter back on him could be a panicked attempt to distract Ian from realizing the truth. While Ian is alone and disconnected from everyone, he is likelier to brood on what happened and get closer to remembering.

It's possible but I would state that even if Nick was framed for it, this is the start of Adam Woodyatt's swansong.

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4 Jan 2015, 17:03
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4 Jan 2015, 16:58

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Ian's breakdown started in earnest when he was sitting on a huge secret, namely that Ben killed Heather. He'd been burdened with the awful news that his brother murdered an innocent woman, Ben emotionally blackmailed him and Phil threatened him into keeping quiet and this, on top of the other things in his life, drove him to his breakdown.

If Ian has emotionally blocked out killing Lucy, the manifestations may have re-emerged as he gets closer and closer to remembering what really happened and are signs that he can't handle the secret.

Jane pretty much forcing Peter back on him could be a panicked attempt to distract Ian from realizing the truth. While Ian is alone and disconnected from everyone, he is likelier to brood on what happened and get closer to remembering.

It's possible but I would state that even if Nick was framed for it, this is the start of Adam Woodyatt's swansong.

Fair points. However, in my post I mentioned that none of these signs or "manifestations" were present with Ian before Lucy was murdered.

I just can't buy the story :( It would be emotional and really would change Walford forever. But it just seems a bit too OTT to me. So far, this story has managed to stay relatively down-to-earth and darkly emotional; but if Ian turns out to be the killer, for me, it would just sensationalise the entire plot.

Jane has all the key qualities to be unmasked as the killer and it all slots into place with her. She was mistreated by the Beale's for years; she has become evidently more dark and menacing over the past few weeks; the engagement moving so fast is a sign that Jane doesn't love Ian, this is part of her revenge; she hid Lucy's belongings; and her car is definitely a clue in uncovering her as Lucy's murderer. It has featured too much - and even been mentioned by Emma ("It wasn't there." - meaning Jane's car was not there in the video of Lauren) - to not mean anything now.
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I think Jake Stone will be be back they gave him a big role in the beginning of the Lucy story and the struggle he had to remember the events after the cab ride back to Albert Square for a reason and the cab driver as said confirmed that he was blind drunk but remembered what Jake couldn't before Peter jumped down his throat. All the loose ends of the story have being tied up as the story has developed but I think Jake knew who helped Lucy get into his flat as all the key suspects are people Jake would know from his time in Walford.
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Fair enough on the OTT view.

I guess my point was that the manifestations may not manifest themselves before but after when Ian is sitting on a huge secret and is trying to bury it.

Jane is still high on my suspect list as the killer. I think she was definitely involved, no matter what has happened. She is even more unlikeable than usual recently.


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I recall around Jake's exit Jamie Lomas said he may be back for the flashbacks that will happen, since I assume they weren't filmed all the way back in April, any news if he is actually returning?

Edit: LOL had i waited a little longer i wouldnt needed to have asked.
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As seen lately Denise has a abusive streak

she harmed patrick and has seen to have a drink problem, she obviously didnt seem fond of lucy either leading upto her death could be a good twist if denise was somehow involved
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4 Jan 2015, 17:21
As seen lately Denise has a abusive streak

she harmed patrick and has seen to have a drink problem, she obviously didnt seem fond of lucy either leading upto her death could be a good twist if denise was somehow involved
Yeah she wasn't too fond of Lucy. She had that whole confrontation with Lucy about Fatboy as Poppy left the square which looks like it might resurface...
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New theory: Abi killed Lucy in a fit of rage, Jane somehow found out and she is covering for her as she is her best friend's daughter. Either she witnessed what happened or Abi explained it wasn't intentional and Jane took pity on her. I believe Max at some point after the murder became aware of the truth also.

"What happened on Good Friday stays between us." - was that said before Jane returned to the Square?
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The only person connecting Ben and jay and Jane is Ian. Jane wouldn't protect Ben or jay. I also don't think Phil would shrug it off either if he knows what happened.

I couldn't see Jane protecting Cindy either. She may be Lucy and peters family but she's nothing to Jane.

Ben hardy is leaving. That makes it seem like it's not him.I just think it has to be either peter or Ian. Anyone else would be anti climatic. I think other people are involved in terms of thinking they know what happened or that they were involved in some way, but ultimately it will be a beale.

I wouldn't call it sensationalism just because statistically it's most likely to be someone close to Lucy (family or partner, close friends) it would make sense. Of course though it does depend on the reveal itself.

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Also with Patrick/Denise. I actually thought the bruises were from her trying to help move him about. If you're trying to lift someone by their arms you can get that kind of bruising.

Also dean was alone with Patrick on and off.

I don't think she was being violent, I think she's genuinely struggling with the demands of caring for someone.
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I'm swaying towards Peter killing Lucy, but accidentally. Max somehow found out about this and contacted Jane, which is why she came back to the square permently. Jane was always closest to Peter, therefore would protect him if the cause of the killing was accidental. Max wasn't too pleased when Peter first got together with Peter, which would make sense if Max knew the truth. Hmmmmm food for thought!! 😃
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Margaret Mitchell isn't returning during the 30th anniversary for no reason. She couldn't kill Archie but she's more than made up for that with Lucy.
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On the basics, do we know what time Lucy was meant to have argued with Billy?
It was witnessed by Lee who said he "followed her". If he followed her on her way to the bus stop -- which makes sense in that she was on the square while lots of them were around and would have passed the chippy, BUT it means a lot happened in the five or six minutes between her leaving the house and getting the bus.

We saw her want to text Peter, have an altercation with Max, pause on Bridge street WITHIN THIS TIME. She left Ian's at almost exactly eight, and was on the bus by five/six mins past. Did she have time for a fish related feud too?

Otherwise the row was after she'd come back into Walford.

Anyone remember what Billy said?
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I'm swaying towards Peter killing Lucy, but accidentally. Max somehow found out about this and contacted Jane, which is why she came back to the square permently. Jane was always closest to Peter, therefore would protect him if the cause of the killing was accidental. Max wasn't too pleased when Peter first got together with Peter, which would make sense if Max knew the truth. Hmmmmm food for thought!! 😃
Why would Max protect Peter though? I'm not buying this.
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There wouldn't have been time to argue with Billy between leaving the Square (which we saw in the episode) and catching the bus five minutes later.

I would say that happened after she brought Jake back to the Square.

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I'm swaying towards Peter killing Lucy, but accidentally. Max somehow found out about this and contacted Jane, which is why she came back to the square permently. Jane was always closest to Peter, therefore would protect him if the cause of the killing was accidental. Max wasn't too pleased when Peter first got together with Peter, which would make sense if Max knew the truth. Hmmmmm food for thought!! 😃
Why would Max protect Peter though? I'm not buying this.
I could only see Max protecting his kids and Stacey.

Lauren and Stacey clearly didn't do it so if Max is protecting anyone, it's only Abi. Unless Ian did it and he's been roped in under threat of being framed himself. That could explain Emma's "you know" if she knew she was speaking to Max at that time.

Max would not put himself out for, say, Peter or Whitney. It's possible that Max doesn't know who killed Lucy but knows something about Lucy's last movements that he hasn't been forthcoming with in case it impacts on him.
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