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Who Killed Lucy?; All the theories
Topic Started: 20 Apr 2014, 05:49 (367,828 Views)
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King Billy
4 Jan 2015, 18:17
EEFan1
4 Jan 2015, 17:49
I'm swaying towards Peter killing Lucy, but accidentally. Max somehow found out about this and contacted Jane, which is why she came back to the square permently. Jane was always closest to Peter, therefore would protect him if the cause of the killing was accidental. Max wasn't too pleased when Peter first got together with Peter, which would make sense if Max knew the truth. Hmmmmm food for thought!! 😃
Why would Max protect Peter though? I'm not buying this.
Because somewhere along the lines he's got dirty hands too.....😃😉
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Josh
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I can't quite settle on the details in my head, but I think my final theory is Denise causing Lucy's death with Jane helping to move the body to the common.
I think Jane has been using this to have the upper hand over Denise since and enabling her to get back with Ian.
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this is mega confusing


anyone entering the eastenders competition?
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Planck
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I've just remembered something else. I can't remember when exactly it happened, but at one stage Max made a move on Jane and Jane rejected him. Maybe they did something on Good Friday and neither of them want it to become known...
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One massive red herring which I believe...

Emma realised at some point that Lucy had fallen and hit her head in Max's office and knew both Abi and Max were involved in the clean-up.

She believed this incident triggered Lucy's death, and Max and Abi possibly believe this too.

It was Abi that Emma called after 'finding out', if you must remember that Abi wasn't at the pub that evening, and when Emma called she said 'hi, it's Emma, I'm glad I got hold of you.'

This matches up to Abi perfectly.

I believe Abi was also who she met at the park, with Emma stating 'that doesn’t change anything, it's still murder.'

Abi will have just told her about Max making Lucy fall over and hit her head, making Emma believe this is how she died.

Due to all this, I think that Emma’s 'realisation' was in fact wrong, and we should be looking closer to home...
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I think a twist like that would be really interesting. I'm not sure that ties-in with Emma's behaviour. Yes, a fall triggered her working out. But she seemed to be more concerned with the square and what was or wasn't there... but I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone has the wrong end of the stick. It may have been Emma's conclusion, or it could be Max or Jane covering for someome they beleive guilty but is actually innocent. A similar kind misunderstanding was important in Broadchurch.
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4 Jan 2015, 19:34
I think a twist like that would be really interesting. I'm not sure that ties-in with Emma's behaviour. Yes, a fall triggered her working out. But she seemed to be more concerned with the square and what was or wasn't there... but I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone has the wrong end of the stick. It may have been Emma's conclusion, or it could be Max or Jane covering for someome they beleive guilty but is actually innocent. A similar kind misunderstanding was important in Broadchurch.
Yes, of course as we will all remember from watching Broadchurch, the murderer is usually someone you don't suspect, yet who makes perfect sense - someone close to the victim, someone who wasn't planning to murder them.

Someone, in short, who loses their temper and lashes out.

Who will grieve over what they've done, who will allow it to eat them up inside and who will be unable to deal with the magnitude of what they've done.

So basically, the plot would be about grief at first, but then slowly get closer and closer, until the focus goes onto the Square and the Beales suddenly realising that actually the killer is amongst them.
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Fehnder
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I cant help but think how clever it jis to announce inspiration from broadchurch, purely because there are similarities (deleting messages on a computer, something I think will point the police the branning was no doubt) but it's hard to know just what is similar.

In broadchurch the killer was having an unusual and inappropriate relationship with the murdered boy. I wouldn't say that could fit in this case unless we are looking at Lucy have had a relationship with one of the suspects that we are unaware of (I don't mean sexually)

You could say she had an unusual relationship with peter in that they may have been meeting up secretly and passing drugs.
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I do think though, that the branning inclusion is that max believes it was him/abi and is wrong.
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As well plotted as Broadchurch was, I had guessed the murderer by episode three. I've genuinely got no clue with this
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Another clue...back on Monday 28th April:

Shabnam: If it helps, in my faith we believe that God will have mercy on Lucy and welcome her to heaven.

Jane: He forgives all of us, does He? Well, I don't really feel that I deserve that right now. I've made such a mess of things… still think God will forgive me?

Shabnam: That's the deal He makes, so yes.


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If Ian or anyone else killed Lucy in the Beale house, Denise will have had to have slept through it all as I can't see her helping him.

That is the one argument against her being killed in the Beale house, although not against Ian or another Beale having done it.

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Walford is about to change, lives are about to be destroyed, alliances will begin and the residents will never be the same again. Welcome to "Dungeon". New fan fic, coming soon...

Thanks Nick M for the brilliant sig!
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You know, when this storyline began at the beginning I originally thought it was Shabnam who did it as it no one would have expected it to be such a recently introduced character. This was mainly because of her disapproval with Masood turning to alcohol and his romance with Jane. I dreamt up this really intricate idea that she had killed Lucy to drive a wedge between Jane and Masood, because at the time Denise was engaged to Ian and Ian had consequently drifted from Jane. So I thought she'd done it because she knew that Jane would feel it was her responsibility to move back in with Ian and take care of the Beal family.
I often wonder if she was the original killer but they changed it to someone more personal to the storyline.
It's not relevant now... however something has to happen with that note Shabham picked up. I really can't believe that Carol will figure this out. She hasn't got the deductive skills. But perhaps shabham will show Masood the note when Whitney is under the glaring spotlight and he will realise who did it- because the Beal's have often slept round their house and been in close personal contact with the Ahmeds. Peter for instance has taken refuge there a lot. Strange.
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Fehnder
4 Jan 2015, 20:08
In broadchurch the killer was having an unusual and inappropriate relationship with the murdered boy. I wouldn't say that could fit in this case unless we are looking at Lucy have had a relationship with one of the suspects that we are unaware of (I don't mean sexually)

You could say she had an unusual relationship with peter in that they may have been meeting up secretly and passing drugs.
I was comparing it to Lucy's relationship with Max as no one knew about it (except Abi who took the picture), but I like that theory about Peter as well. Max also fits with being in a relationship with the main police woman though.

I've got no real theory why, but I think Lucy died in the restaurant.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/eastenders-who-killed-lucy-beale-4911740



http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/eastenders-abi-branning-murdered-lucy-4917092


http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/eastenders-jane-beale-murdered-lucy-4917178


http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/eastenders-denise-fox-murdered-lucy-4917369


http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/eastenders-lauren-branning-murdered-lucy-4917300
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Fehnder
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I think I agree about the resturant. I just wonder how that would fit Cindy in? She went there and.said she didn't see Ian. What was she there for?

I think the beale house has to be a no in terms of the place
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Disappointed with those articles. 'Here's how X,Y and Z could have killed Lucy.' No, that's a recap of facts with minimal speculation. Obviously these amateurs haven't read this thread. ;)
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Let's think about the impact of each suspect if they were the killer.

Ian - colossal, goes without saying.
Jane - a decade old character, the victim's step-mother, would be pretty huge.
Max - a hugely recognizable character. Big impact.
Peter - victim's brother and popular with the general public. Big impact.
Lauren - a recongisable figure, a famous actress. Big impact.
Abi - viewers have known her a good girl from a very young age. Impact would be big for a different reason.
Cindy - impact would be quite small.
Whitney - impact would be significant, but not huge.
Lee - still a new and underdeveloped character. Impact would be small.
Les and Pam - pretty much non-existent.
Ben - big impact because he's killed before and he's Phil's son. Dampened slightly because he's a recast.
Jay - decent impact, but not the biggest.
Denise - well known figure for the best part of a decade. Impact not huge though.

Your welcome.
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4 Jan 2015, 16:48
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4 Jan 2015, 08:10
Lee is the killer!

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And by the way I'm from the Czech Republic and it's missing in the Choose Country box.... you have bloody unimportant Austria there :D ...
I see more...
no 10. across- is that "instant"? Perhaps her death was instant and that rules out the head wound in the car lot. Dom Tread-Well did mention it was a red herring, but it was also a clue. Perhaps it was a sign that we can rule out Abi and Max's involvement.

I see "saunter" as well. Hum Lee's name is closely positioned to this word and that's pretty much him all over. Remember when Lauren called Lee out on being arrogant and assuming things about Lucy and Whitney's relationship. She said "what did you know about the pair of them? Other than how to get them both into bed"..

I don't think Lee and Whitney were in on it together. As when Lee returned from the Army after Lucy's death, there was barely any recollection between himself and Whitney. He didn't understand what he had done wrong when obviously two timing the girls and resulting in Whitney blowing Lee off and Lee weirdly stalking her for episodes on end until she cared. It's possible Lee has some issues and he did it but not possible they killed Lucy together. I don't think it was Whitney by herself, her complete non-alibi positions her in view of suspicion too easily.

At the bottom their is a word going down is starting with "Att-" but it's cut off. What do you reckon that is? "Attitude" perhaps? A subtle reminder of Abi's change in attitude about her uni-lifestyle. Perhaps she's not in the clear after all. Their is a "vet" word also linking to her. Abi is smart and knows a whole world of science and DNA the other don't. I.E she might have gone to extreme measures to hide her own DNA.

Lastly their is "Unison" and "Endeavour". I've no clue what those words mean. Unison suggests that two people are involved in what happened. Their were three people around the off licensed taxi. We don't know who else was involved. I'd like to know where that taxi stopped with Lucy and Jake. Could that location have corresponded with Ben and Jays at the time they attempted to robb that store. We have a map now fellow detectives so...
Hey! attempt begins with "Att". Someone attempted to do something? Gosh reading way too much into this!
Lee was, at one time, high on my list of suspects. He seems to bond sexually, quickly, with women. He met Lucy in the morning and was in bed with her in the afternoon. She dumped him immediately, saying she was seeing someone else, and he left the Beale house and instantly started flirting with Whitney. Lucy wasn't interested in the least until she saw him that evening snogging Whitney in the pub, and that's when she dumped Max and spent the following night in the restaurant with Lee. Then she was killed.

Lee said he left the party that night looking for her, as he expected her to be there; instead, he saw her arguing with Billy over the stolen fish. Was that all? He certainly left her a voicemail message or was that a cover-up? Then, when he returns to Walford some months later, Lucy's death doesn't even register with him. He immediately starts stalking Whitney until she responds, and she doesn't respond well until he tells her he wants to marry young and have children. Then they go to bed.

But subsequent to that, we learned that Lee has an uncontollable temper, so much so that he's left his sister scarred from one of his attacks.

I would have initially gone with Lee, but for the fact that Johnny's left unexpectedly this year and the Carters have been involved in this storyline before, and making Lee the killer would, I think, compromise this new family.

Whitney does have a motive, but she would need an accomplice in order to move the body, and at that time, Lee was totally focused on Lucy.

Yes, there was a third person who came upon the scene when Lucy was trying to get the cab driver to help her with a drunken Jake. It wouldn't surprise me if this were Ben. I do think, whoever murdered her, that Ben helped move the body.
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niteflyer
4 Jan 2015, 16:57
I am totally confused by this plot

What is Ben and Jay hiding ? as we know from a previous episode Ben deliberately left out details on the night of lucy's death saying that he told Ian what happened but only enough to keep Ian from dogging him to police

Ben also told Phil the full Monty, but off-screen. Is Ben trying to protect Ian from himself? Has Ian accidentally killed Lucy and blocked it out?

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Also he said he found Lucy's bag on the street and they took her phone and purse. its bit random and seems very unbelievable as it was found where her body was found


When he messed up and came to that part, Jane intervened and steered the conversation in another direction before Ian became focused on Lucy's bag.

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Abi has been getting more erractic in recent months but her darker side wasnt truely revealed until jay ended their relationship (after lucy died) so I cant think of a big enough excuse


She knew that Max and Lucy were sleeping together.

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theres something odd with the picture from patricks house.....

why a picture of that has any significance? does the finger point at Denise or possibly Ian ?


Patrick was on holiday when Lucy was killed. Denise was in Oxford that day and came straight back to Ian's where she was living at the time. I think Summerhayes was trying to gauge from what point the video was taken in relation to the Beale house in the background.
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