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Who Killed Lucy?; All the theories
Topic Started: 20 Apr 2014, 05:49 (367,820 Views)
Dan
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I don't think the "murder" line means anything.

The police charge with murder and it's up to the CPS whether the charge would be downgraded or not and if it wasn't, it would be up to a jury to decide based on the evidence. The line was there to put an element of doubt in as to whether Emma was talking to the killer or someone covering for the killer.

Nobody in the suspect list is capable of pre-mediated murder including Ben and Pam, who have killed before. Ronnie, Nick and Stacey are the only ones capable and I would take Stacey out of that list, not only because of the impossibility, but because she is not a sociopath or a psychopath and her murder of Archie was genuinely a one-off, as abhorrent as it was.

I'm positive Lucy's death was a case of someone lashing out in the heat of the moment with no intent to kill.

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Dan
6 Jan 2015, 19:27
I don't think the "murder" line means anything.

The police charge with murder and it's up to the CPS whether the charge would be downgraded or not and if it wasn't, it would be up to a jury to decide based on the evidence. The line was there to put an element of doubt in as to whether Emma was talking to the killer or someone covering for the killer.

Nobody in the suspect list is capable of pre-mediated murder including Ben and Pam, who have killed before. Ronnie, Nick and Stacey are the only ones capable and I would take Stacey out of that list, not only because of the impossibility, but because she is not a sociopath or a psychopath and her murder of Archie was genuinely a one-off, as abhorrent as it was.

I'm positive Lucy's death was a case of someone lashing out in the heat of the moment with no intent to kill.

The police cant charge someone with murder unless they believe there is some intent. The CPS might decide to downgrade it but if she met with the killer and they explained what happened saying it was either an accident or they didn't know surely at that why not use the line "You still killed her".
"The unlawful killing of a life in being with the intent to commit GBH or murder"

She is a police officer investigating this death. The police have to have reasonable evidence of intent. In Ben's case he went to the flat to confront Heather and picked up the frame at that point the intent if she was hit would fulfil the GBH at the very least mens rea part. Now the CPS downgraded it as they I am assuming didn't think they could prove intent. See they don't need to think there is intent like the police they need to believe they can prove it which is different standard. Which might have been the right choice but there was some a bit of leeway there. But when your arresting someone for murder you assume there is intent When you approach the CPS whether they accept that is a different matter but they would require something to show intent. That's a huge part of the mens rea. It wasn't realistic if its not murder. That's why the line bothers me.

A killer tells you what happened (allegedly) and they and if you listen to how she says it she annunciates each word on that sentence. I don't believe a police officer who hears a confession with no intent would push something that isn't the law. I don't buy it.
She might think the killer still committed murder and tried to prove it by questioning them to get them to admit intent or even pressure them saying I know you did it. But she wouldn't listen to their story and basically say so even if what you tell me is true its murder. Basically trying to not let the alleged criminal know what the law is? A lawyer would have a field day with that.

And that's why it bothers me as I cant see any of the suspects being murderers. Or why Emma would listen to their side and call it murder. Pushing that on them to accept it when she knows that isn't the truth, Emma doesn't strike me as that kind of police officer. That line could so easily been the alternative I gave. I just rewatched she really puts that point forward. If it isn't I don't like that or at least explain as its sloppy.
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On a separate note what did her post mortem list as her official cause of death obviously she was murdered by what did they believe she died of according to her post mortem?
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Just as a thought, why does Jakes Tee Shirt say "I killed Lucy" and not "I murdered Lucy"?
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Jade
6 Jan 2015, 19:58
On a separate note what did her post mortem list as her official cause of death obviously she was murdered by what did they believe she died of according to her post mortem?
It was a head injury wasn't it? At least it was mentioned she had one. Not sure if they confirmed that was the cause of death.
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Blondie08
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Hi Everyone,

New to this forum but thinking you guys have some brilliant theories and info on here! Both me and my best friend are totally hooked on trying to guess who killed lucy.

Wanted to share our latest freely spot on the cctv, I managed to catch it on the flash where the time skips, I won't share what we can make out but there is an anomaly and something strange going on on this pic!

Oops can anyone tell me how to post the image I have? Can't seem to find how...
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Blondie08
6 Jan 2015, 22:53
Hi Everyone,

New to this forum but thinking you guys have some brilliant theories and info on here! Both me and my best friend are totally hooked on trying to guess who killed lucy.

Wanted to share our latest freely spot on the cctv, I managed to catch it on the flash where the time skips, I won't share what we can make out but there is an anomaly and something strange going on on this pic!

Oops can anyone tell me how to post the image I have? Can't seem to find how...
Click the Posted Image button above and copy and paste in the URL.

Or click browse button below and upload the file.
You can't just come bounding in here like John Wayne on a Spacehopper!

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WalfordE20
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I've got another wild theory that's as probably as riddled with holes as all my others.

What if Lucy really did die on Walford Common, and the reason for lack of blood distribution was the fact that she was killed by her bleed from the car lot? Not sure how plausible it is though. Probably not very.
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Blondie08
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Got it thanks :D ok the areas of interest on here are around the walford e20 in the left bottom and the right edge 23rds up which to me are definitely car lights which also shine on the back of the car during the image distortion but there is something really weird that l spotted on the other area... Let me know if you can all see anything and what you think!

Thanks for the help :wave:
Oh god it's over the 200kb 274 >:(
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sherlockwanabe
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Hi Blondie08 I think you can copy and paste a link for example www.bbc.co.uk should work or type it out then we can click to see your exciting findings!! :)
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I certainly think it's strange that the Common CCTV hasn't been mentioned in the show yet, and also that of all the potential footage to use at the appeal they chose Lucy on her journey to meet Jake, which they knew she survived. There must be more out there.

Another theory here. We know Cameron picks up Emma's belongings. What if he stumbles across her phone a week or so later, thereby discovering the killer's identity- and the culprit is aprehended at Ian and Jane's wedding? The prospect of a live arrest is very exciting indeed.

One more thing. Folks on DS have noticed Abi's name printed larger than all the others in tonight's credits. Coincidence... or clue?
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Blondie08
6 Jan 2015, 23:51
Got it thanks :D ok the areas of interest on here are around the walford e20 in the left bottom and the right edge 23rds up which to me are definitely car lights which also shine on the back of the car during the image distortion but there is something really weird that l spotted on the other area... Let me know if you can all see anything and what you think!

Thanks for the help :wave:
Oh god it's over the 200kb 274 >:(
If it's over 200 kb, you'll need to try the first option:

Click the Posted Image button above and copy and paste in the URL.

You'll need to host the image. I use http://tinypic.com/
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Blondie08
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Hope this works and people can see something as we can ^o)

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Edited by Ennui, 7 Jan 2015, 00:38.
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Fehnder
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Not sure what I'm look at lol! But I agree this cctv is important. I'm positive it's part of what Emma looked at in her files.

Incidentally the lit up portion where the cars are show a curved roof. New micras have curved roofs.

It looks more like maxs car to me, but then Incidentally didn't the girls use maxs car for lb lettings?

Hmm.. Could maxs car have been there?
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Blondie08
7 Jan 2015, 00:34
Hope this works and people can see something as we can ^o)

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Images posted are of the Waldorf common cctv video on Lucy's case file bbc.

I'm on a smart phone so can zoom in but above the Walford there's colour in this image, when you can zoom in close it looks like someone's head, also at the beginning and end of the garbled words at the bottom and what looks like a sign or something that runs under the cctv lettering!

There's also a car light in the other image which appears during the flash in the footage. 3rd image I posted.

I see a bit more as well but keen to know if me and my friends are completely crazy or if others see these things? They may not be a clue but it definitely odd and worth a look!
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Katie
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WalfordE20
7 Jan 2015, 00:04
Another theory here. We know Cameron picks up Emma's belongings. What if he stumbles across her phone a week or so later, thereby discovering the killer's identity- and the culprit is aprehended at Ian and Jane's wedding? The prospect of a live arrest is very exciting indeed.

One more thing. Folks on DS have noticed Abi's name printed larger than all the others in tonight's credits. Coincidence... or clue?
I'd love a live arrest where none of the cast know who is going to be arrested except the killer and the actors playing the police.

I'm not convinced they would have made her name bigger on purpose. I think they'd want people to work out who the murderer is by watching the show, rather than picking up on something like that.
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Wonder what this is about
http://www.closeronline.co.uk/2015/01/eastenders-spoilers-shabnam-to-reveal-shocking-life-and-death-secret#.VK3ImXlyYdU
So cast/ backstage have found out the secret and are shocked, but it can't have anything to do with Lucy.
I'm still curious why we haven't heard more about the Whitney's note.
Also haven't they now returned from their break, ergo they have now been informed on some plot points.
ohh and seems we were right about the cross word clues. But I still think the "Lee" one is a red herring.
The "stop it" one strong cause its ambiguous in linking to Lola.
http://www.closeronline.co.uk/2015/01/eastenders-spoilers-lucy-beale-s-killer-revealed-in-children-in-need-special#.VK3L83lyYdU
Edited by DRAPPLEdreamers1992, 8 Jan 2015, 01:14.
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Isn't Shabnam the one who picked up the ROT IN HELL note after it was discarded by Tamwar/Whitney at funeral?

Not sure if there is a link to Lucy murder... My initial thought is that it is writers starting to tie up loose ends ie so many characters have been acting oddly over past year- each needs explaining

Almost like multiple crescendos for viewers as we think oh it's her or him... And then truth comes out and that suspect is eliminated and they do that 10 times or whatever each time we don't know if it's a red herring bring put to bed or final reveal

What do you think? Or am I bring wierd?! Haha
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