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Who Killed Lucy?; All the theories
Topic Started: 20 Apr 2014, 05:49 (367,813 Views)
MrJames
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The killer lies somewhere between:

"I only left him for five minutes."
"I'm glad I've caught you."
Roxy's house, Patrick's house and Ian's house.
Something important in the direction of the Beale's/Masood's house
"It wasn't there... you know."
Fatboy's video (& Jane's car)
"It's still murder."
The teacup.

I'm not saying those clues are all relevant, but some of them definitely are.
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MrJames
14 Jan 2015, 19:44
The killer lies somewhere between:

"I only left him for five minutes."
"I'm glad I've caught you."
Roxy's house, Patrick's house and Ian's house.
Something important in the direction of the Beale's/Masood's house
"It wasn't there... you know."
Fatboy's video (& Jane's car)
"It's still murder."
The teacup.

I'm not saying those clues are all relevant, but some of them definitely are.
Linking these together, I'm thinking it was someone at the party who could easily have slipped out unnoticed for five minutes. I don't think this person was the murderer, I think this person received a phone call from the murderer asking for help. 'I'm glad I've caught you' I think is quite a informal greeting, so someone Emma knew well and someone who Emma had been looking for for a while (not a Branning as she ran away from them) and 'It's still murder' - I think she met up with the accomplice and having heard their story as to what happened she remarks that Lucy died as a result of this, and it's therefore murder.

I think the fact that Emma said 'It's still murder' suggests that whoever she met up with was trying to excuse the actions taken.
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MrJames
14 Jan 2015, 19:44
The killer lies somewhere between:

"I only left him for five minutes."
"I'm glad I've caught you."
Roxy's house, Patrick's house and Ian's house.
Something important in the direction of the Beale's/Masood's house
"It wasn't there... you know."
Fatboy's video (& Jane's car)
"It's still murder."
The teacup.

I'm not saying those clues are all relevant, but some of them definitely are.
I'm sure I'm analysing this a bit too far, but what if the trailer was actually including the cup rather than the cocaine?

Peter digging- Denise
Denise and the floorboards- Jane
Jane and the broken glass (with the car not being relevant)- Peter, when he smashed the window
Lauren and the blood- Max
Max and the rubbish bag- Lauren

Leaving Ian and the cup being the only thing that happened in the trailer and the show, making him the murderer.
Edited by Katie, 14 Jan 2015, 20:09.
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Soetmo
14 Jan 2015, 16:19
There's really no way it's Lauren - is there.


Jacqueline's whole pregnancy is obviously just an elaborate ruse to make us dismiss Lauren as a suspect.

MrJames
14 Jan 2015, 19:44
The killer lies somewhere between:
The teacup.

Wait. What teacup?
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Her fall in the Car Lot must be involved somehow. There hasn't been a point of that so far.
"I loved it in the Olden Days because you talked more. There’s more action now. You know, we would do scenes in the Rovers of me, Bet and Doris Speed with a cup of coffee each before we opened the pub, talking about absolute rubbish. But it was something, and it was what people do." - Betty Driver
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14 Jan 2015, 20:27
Her fall in the Car Lot must be involved somehow. There hasn't been a point of that so far.
What happened to the deleted CCTV footage of Max and Lucy arguing? Can't remember if that was resolved.
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14 Jan 2015, 20:24
Soetmo
14 Jan 2015, 16:19
There's really no way it's Lauren - is there.


Jacqueline's whole pregnancy is obviously just an elaborate ruse to make us dismiss Lauren as a suspect.

MrJames
14 Jan 2015, 19:44
The killer lies somewhere between:
The teacup.

Wait. What teacup?
But as she's not in the live.....it would be a poor 'exposure' without her.
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Gabby53
14 Jan 2015, 14:26
When Emma looked at her phone again in the pub before she raced outside, she realised that the person, Jane I think that gave Lauren her alibi of saying she didn't go inside Lucy's house, couldn't have seen that.
I think that is what Emma saw, that the view wasn't available from where the two said they were.
So Jane is covering for Lauren, but why? Lauren did look surprised when Jane said that.
I saw that episode a couple of nights back. The way it looked on screen, Jane had mentioned Tanya a few minutes before Lauren told her about having to go to the police. The way I read Jane, her body language and tone of voice was "I know you didnt do it, so I will say I saw you, and that will be the end of it", the tone of voice was very light.

Like if you said to your friend "hey I am going out Saturday night and I dont have shoes to go with this dress" and since shes your best mate, you say "oh, you can borrow mine, just grab them out of the wardrobe"

Janes back for a reason, and its not Bobby.
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Gabby53
14 Jan 2015, 14:26
When Emma looked at her phone again in the pub before she raced outside, she realised that the person, Jane I think that gave Lauren her alibi of saying she didn't go inside Lucy's house, couldn't have seen that.
I think that is what Emma saw, that the view wasn't available from where the two said they were.
So Jane is covering for Lauren, but why? Lauren did look surprised when Jane said that.
She realised that Jane couldn't have seen Lauren at the door of the house, because Jane wasn't there. Her car wasn't there. If Jane's not the murderer, she's covering for the murderer, and that isn't Lauren.
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Mrs Peel
14 Jan 2015, 21:36
Gabby53
14 Jan 2015, 14:26
When Emma looked at her phone again in the pub before she raced outside, she realised that the person, Jane I think that gave Lauren her alibi of saying she didn't go inside Lucy's house, couldn't have seen that.
I think that is what Emma saw, that the view wasn't available from where the two said they were.
So Jane is covering for Lauren, but why? Lauren did look surprised when Jane said that.
She realised that Jane couldn't have seen Lauren at the door of the house, because Jane wasn't there. Her car wasn't there. If Jane's not the murderer, she's covering for the murderer, and that isn't Lauren.
But this is where I must reiterate the point I made earlier. Yes, Jane's car was parked outside Ian's earlier in the day, but just because it's not there later that's not to say it isn't there, and just out of view. Obviously these things are usually done for a reason, but thinking about it, it seems a big leap for Emma to assume Jane was involved just because her car could not be seen on the small corner of road visible in that video.
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14 Jan 2015, 21:43
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14 Jan 2015, 21:36

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But this is where I must reiterate the point I made earlier. Yes, Jane's car was parked outside Ian's earlier in the day, but just because it's not there later that's not to say it isn't there, and just out of view. Obviously these things are usually done for a reason, but thinking about it, it seems a big leap for Emma to assume Jane was involved just because her car could not be seen on the small corner of road visible in that video.
Did Emma hear Jane confirm Lauren's alibi? The Masood house is two houses down from the Beales' house and has a bay window in the front room like the Beale house, as well as a recessed front door. Jane would have had to have been craning her neck obviously in or out of the window in order to have seen Lauren at the Beale front door.
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14 Jan 2015, 21:46
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14 Jan 2015, 21:43

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Did Emma hear Jane confirm Lauren's alibi? The Masood house is two houses down from the Beales' house and has a bay window in the front room like the Beale house, as well as a recessed front door. Jane would have had to have been craning her neck obviously in or out of the window in order to have seen Lauren at the Beale front door.
Just found this which actually gives some decent perspective. Ian's is the first house along from the Vic, and Masood's is the third. Hmm.
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14 Jan 2015, 20:24
Soetmo
14 Jan 2015, 16:19
There's really no way it's Lauren - is there.


Jacqueline's whole pregnancy is obviously just an elaborate ruse to make us dismiss Lauren as a suspect.

MrJames
14 Jan 2015, 19:44
The killer lies somewhere between:
The teacup.

Wait. What teacup?
The killer drinks their tea with the lid off and picks away at their cup when they're done...
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14 Jan 2015, 22:01
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14 Jan 2015, 20:24

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The killer drinks their tea with the lid off and picks away at their cup when they're done...
Okay, okay, I can't keep this up. I killed Lucy.

Regarding the photo I posted, it seems Jane is definitely lying about seeing Lauren- or she's actually a giraffe. Either way she's hiding something important.
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14 Jan 2015, 22:07
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14 Jan 2015, 22:01

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Okay, okay, I can't keep this up. I killed Lucy.

Regarding the photo I posted, it seems Jane is definitely lying about seeing Lauren- or she's actually a giraffe. Either way she's hiding something important.
We know for sure that she's hiding Lucy's phone and purse under the Beale's floorboards...
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To be fair, the killer was probably nervously picking at the teacup thinking that Emma would shop them.

Assuming of course that she actually met the killer and not someone who helped the killer move the body and who has been told by the killer exactly how Lucy died.
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That's the Masoods' window in the bottom right behind the tree, right? If you were looking out the side part of that window I think you'd be able to see the Beales' front door. Did Lauren go to the front door or the back?

Edit- Not the actual door, but you'd be able to see Lauren going up to it and leaving shortly after.
Edited by Katie, 14 Jan 2015, 22:56.
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Katie
14 Jan 2015, 22:13
That's the Masoods' window in the bottom right behind the tree, right? If you were looking out the side part of that window I think you'd be able to see the Beales' front door. Did Lauren go to the front door or the back?

Edit- Not the actual door, but you'd be able to see Lauren going up to it and leaving shortly after.
Lauren went to the front door. :)

It isn't beyond the realms of possibility that Jane saw Lauren cross the street and head towards the Beales and the turn straight back around, however I do still believe Jane is lying to cover her own sorry arse.
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I definitely think Jane was lying, I just don't think that, or the car not being there, could have caused Emma to be convinced she was the murderer.
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Katie
14 Jan 2015, 23:20
I definitely think Jane was lying, I just don't think that, or the car not being there, could have caused Emma to be convinced she was the murderer.
Emma had also just been with Jane in the pub, but when Emma said 'I'm glad I've caught you' it sounded like hadn't seen the killer that night/known if they were around. Emma knew where Jane was as when she was looking from house to house Jane and Ian walked past her.
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