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Who Killed Lucy?; All the theories
Topic Started: 20 Apr 2014, 05:49 (367,802 Views)
Blondie08
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What if Emma met Abi at the park, if Lauren pulls apart polystyrene cups perhaps abi has that habit too, she believes Max killed Lucy due to the fall at the car lot or whilst he was " out walking the dog" she may have explained to Emma what happened with Emma responding it's still murder when really it was someone else who finished Lucy off that night!

That would be a complete twist, perhaps Emma never really solved it after all!
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Blondie08
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Here's another point... In Lucy's social media posts her last post was "nearly gave in today but never quit, there's always tomorrow ;)" this to me is something you would say at the end of the day, was she home and that was the last thing she posted?!

On Emmas notes that Lauren had it clearly said "no contact or record from her 23:30 - 08:00.... Does that mean she was alive until 23:30?! and her body was dumped at 23:54... Brings a whole load of questions about timings, such as what time did lauren go there as Ian's car was there?! Janes wasn't, so was that before Lucy's last contact / record or after... Note there were plenty of lights on at the time in the Beale house when she did!
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Kim
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I've just been re-watching some episodes and the Thursday was the last time we saw the jewellery box. If it were left in the kitchen, anyone could have potentially taken it if the door were left open.

Everything is just screaming Jane to me now.
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Katie
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Blondie08
25 Jan 2015, 22:38
On Emmas notes that Lauren had it clearly said "no contact or record from her 23:30 - 08:00.... Does that mean she was alive until 23:30?! and her body was dumped at 23:54... Brings a whole load of questions about timings, such as what time did lauren go there as Ian's car was there?! Janes wasn't, so was that before Lucy's last contact / record or after... Note there were plenty of lights on at the time in the Beale house when she did!
I think 23.30 was when she spoke to Billy. Lauren went to the house later as Fatboy went outside towards the end of the party. Are you assuming her body was dumped at 23.54 due to the common CCTV? The missing part of the video seems relevant but I don't know why it hasn't been mentioned on screen.
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Katie
25 Jan 2015, 23:18
Blondie08
25 Jan 2015, 22:38
On Emmas notes that Lauren had it clearly said "no contact or record from her 23:30 - 08:00.... Does that mean she was alive until 23:30?! and her body was dumped at 23:54... Brings a whole load of questions about timings, such as what time did lauren go there as Ian's car was there?! Janes wasn't, so was that before Lucy's last contact / record or after... Note there were plenty of lights on at the time in the Beale house when she did!
I think 23.30 was when she spoke to Billy. Lauren went to the house later as Fatboy went outside towards the end of the party. Are you assuming her body was dumped at 23.54 due to the common CCTV? The missing part of the video seems relevant but I don't know why it hasn't been mentioned on screen.
Yes definitely thinking that the common footage is relevant for dumping the body... Otherwise why would they put it on the case file... Unless complete mislead but don't see how it could be... they are leaving clues external to the show all the way along so this would tie in. It definitely showed a car on the car park at that time when the cctv skips but emmas file seemed to have more cctv images than what we were given.

The only thing I'm a bit disappointed about is they are showing the police investigation as a right farse really, unless when we see what Emma did, it proves they did have a handle on stuff but couldn't put it together because they haven't got the pieces that we have if that makes sense?!?!

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Kim
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Whoever dumped the body must have doctored the CCTV, otherwise the police would have mentioned something. Bet it'll be one of those mysteries though as I can't think who would be able to do that.
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Kim
26 Jan 2015, 00:03
Whoever dumped the body must have doctored the CCTV, otherwise the police would have mentioned something. Bet it'll be one of those mysteries though as I can't think who would be able to do that.
This is one of the reasons why I think they're showing the police investigation to be a complete farse, although they're not going to show us all of the stuff because we'd be able to work it out.

At the same time though the police need to have hard evidence to bring anyone in so as said previously they don't have all the info we do and vice versa!

All I know is mine and my best mates Lucy Beale case book is filling up fast, we're just starting to add in different theories now based on what we have evidence wise so far!

Was also thinking what if jane / Denise found lucy in the house Denise might go to or contact Jane and they may have thought someone in that household was guilty so they moved lucy to protect the family... Not knowing who did it when actually anyone could have if she was killed in the house because the back door was always open!

It's mind blowing the theories that could work right now... Roll on feb ;) my brain hurts

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See You Slater
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I read a theory on Digital Spy a few weeks back that Emma and Cameron killed Lucy in order to give themselves something to do, which I absolutely loved in theory but probably wouldn't like as much in reality. :p

I do think DTC has learnt from Santer's mistakes and therefore won't turn the shows favourite character into a killer a la Stacey, so I'm thinking it's either Jane or Lee.
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Katie
25 Jan 2015, 20:03
Denise became really important for me once we knew Lucy died near the jewellery box. She definitely came home before Lucy died, and there's not much time left for it to be revealed that she went out again for a reason completely unrelated to Lucy's death. If she was in the house when Lucy died and wasn't involved, I think it rules out Lucy and the murderer having an argument which she probably would have heard. I don't think anyone went into the house planning to kill her, and if there wasn't an argument which led to someone deliberately hitting her but not meaning to kill her, I can't work out what would have led to her being hit over the head.

I suppose the jewellery box could have been taken out of the house, but then someone would have to bring it back again. The hole in the floor is interesting as it could have been hidden there until someone had the chance to clean the blood of it.

I'm just looking at the timeline on the BBC website, which says 19.57- Lucy and Ian's argument, and then 19.59- Lucy walks to Bridge Street and leaves Albert Square. I'm not sure how those times work as we saw Lucy after the argument in a scene which lasted longer than two minutes, and then there was a later scene of Lucy standing outside for a while before leaving.
Lucy could already have been dead when Denise went into the house. She may have been lying in her room (or whatever room she was in), Denise didnt go in there, and so didnt see anything. The body could have been moved a bit later, after Denise left
(did Denise leave, I cant remember)
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Just a thing about the missing minutes on the CCTV.

With my security system, if the camera doesnt pick up any movement for a minute (or just under), it stops recording, then restarts when it detects movement again.
so on my forecourt, I can have someone sitting in a car, not doing anything, and the camera stops, when they open the door, it restarts.

Likewise, if nothing is happening like in the evening, it stops until a bird or a wild cat runs across.
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Blondie08
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26 Jan 2015, 00:22
Katie
25 Jan 2015, 20:03
Denise became really important for me once we knew Lucy died near the jewellery box. She definitely came home before Lucy died, and there's not much time left for it to be revealed that she went out again for a reason completely unrelated to Lucy's death. If she was in the house when Lucy died and wasn't involved, I think it rules out Lucy and the murderer having an argument which she probably would have heard. I don't think anyone went into the house planning to kill her, and if there wasn't an argument which led to someone deliberately hitting her but not meaning to kill her, I can't work out what would have led to her being hit over the head.

I suppose the jewellery box could have been taken out of the house, but then someone would have to bring it back again. The hole in the floor is interesting as it could have been hidden there until someone had the chance to clean the blood of it.

I'm just looking at the timeline on the BBC website, which says 19.57- Lucy and Ian's argument, and then 19.59- Lucy walks to Bridge Street and leaves Albert Square. I'm not sure how those times work as we saw Lucy after the argument in a scene which lasted longer than two minutes, and then there was a later scene of Lucy standing outside for a while before leaving.
Lucy could already have been dead when Denise went into the house. She may have been lying in her room (or whatever room she was in), Denise didnt go in there, and so didnt see anything. The body could have been moved a bit later, after Denise left
(did Denise leave, I cant remember)
This seriously made me think then... That's a good theory that she was dead for some time but a emmas notes would be totally contradictory to that with her sightings and timings, Denise returned at 8:45 I believe so lucy couldn't have been home by then, worth thinking about her being in situ somewhere though for a period of time.
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sherlockwanabe
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Does that mean that Emma could have the wrong list of official suspects??? Not completely wrong just wrong enough that some are excluded and others can be re-included? :)[edit_reason]Pressed send by accident oops![/edit_reason]
Edited by sherlockwanabe, 26 Jan 2015, 00:36.
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sherlockwanabe
26 Jan 2015, 00:33
Does that mean that Emma could have the wrong list of official suspects??? Not completely wrong just wrong enough that some are excluded and others can be re-included? :)[edit_reason]Pressed send by accident oops![/edit_reason]
Hmmmm this is an awesome point.....
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sherlockwanabe
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Thanks Blondie08! I think they are messing with our heads!! You and your best mate probably have the case file needed to resolve this so I will be looking out for your thoughts :) and then incorporating them into my crazy theories from a page or so back!!
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Blondie08
26 Jan 2015, 00:40
sherlockwanabe
26 Jan 2015, 00:33
Does that mean that Emma could have the wrong list of official suspects??? Not completely wrong just wrong enough that some are excluded and others can be re-included? :)[edit_reason]Pressed send by accident oops![/edit_reason]
Hmmmm this is an awesome point.....
I think the way eastenders have positioned it they are leading us to believe that Emma has this right in some way, are they cruel enough to mislead us like this by throwing in a twist, was thinking that Lauren may interpret Emmas evidence differently and actually hit the nail on the head, no pun intended :) if Emma was slightly wrong in her judgement. Just makes me wonder why the competition isn't open yet?

Is it because we are being mislead up to when it is and things will start coming to the fore when they do open it?!

Anything could be possible!
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Katie
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Something I have just noticed, when Denise is in the bedroom just before we see Lucy's body it looks like the clock says 21.45. That means there's a gap of about 1 hr 45 minutes between that scene and the previous one, but still means Denise was in the house before Lucy was seen alive later on.

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There's CCTV of Bridge Street, which couldn't have shown Lucy after she left Walford as the police didn't know she was alive after meeting Jake. So which way did she go when Lee followed her from Jake's house to where she met Billy? And can we assume no one went in the Beales back gate, or that no one walked down the street when they told the police they were somewhere else as this would have been picked up on?
Edited by Katie, 26 Jan 2015, 00:55.
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sherlockwanabe
26 Jan 2015, 00:46
Thanks Blondie08! I think they are messing with our heads!! You and your best mate probably have the case file needed to resolve this so I will be looking out for your thoughts :) and then incorporating them into my crazy theories from a page or so back!!
Haha thanks for the vote of confidence Sherlock :D although we could be way off the mark!

I have no real solid theory, we are just gaining all the evidence we can and piecing stuff together at the moment.

They could be messing with us massively although there could also be some twisted truth in there that the murderer was definitely one of the 14, for all we know, it could be 5 of them that are to blame here! ;)
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Lady Di did it because she was hungry and because she wanted some screentime because her family were all dominating it at the same time.
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Katie
26 Jan 2015, 00:52
Something I have just noticed, when Denise is in the bedroom just before we see Lucy's body it looks like the clock says 21.45. That means there's a gap of about 1 hr 45 minutes between that scene and the previous one, but still means Denise was in the house before Lucy was seen alive later on.

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There's CCTV of Bridge Street, which couldn't have shown Lucy after she left Walford as the police didn't know she was alive after meeting Jake. So which way did she go when Lee followed her from Jake's house to where she met Billy? And can we assume no one went in the Beales back gate, or that no one walked down the street when they told the police they were somewhere else as this would have been picked up on?
Awesome point! So no one could have taken Lucy's body out the back of the house really?!?! And she couldn't have been seen on bridge street going back to the house!! More thinking to be done here.

I hope the writers are on the case with stuff like this, we all know so much detail now if they slip up it will be awful :(
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Hahha that's why I give up every now and then but it's so addictive... My husband thinks I'm a lunatic for how engrossed I am! Totally agree the "delay tactic" I thought that too! As too many people would be guessing and submitting g on half info
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