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Who Killed Lucy?; All the theories
Topic Started: 20 Apr 2014, 05:49 (367,800 Views)
Jade
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Ender89
27 Jan 2015, 14:53
Personally I wouldn't mind of it was Lee, if the story makes sense and they can justify it, I don't really give a damn if he's a Carter or not. We have known he was a suspect for months now so it wouldn't be too shocking.
I wouldn't mind as I can see how they would do it. However oddly enough because he is a Carter I don't think they will be him. If Johnny was staying then maybe but they aren't going to have just 1 child left on the show of Mick and Linda. So I just don't think it will be him. Though he might be involved if its Whitney.
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27 Jan 2015, 14:39
What a lot to take in. Totally agree with the above comments. They are Def playing with “time” in both of the Lucy trailers. Last trailer they gave clues to what the suspects did after she died. So this time it’s either retracing Lucy’s footsteps or the killers. Should we be linking the two trailers clues then..?

The most telling part (for me) was the handprints emerging on the chip shop window... So I’ll just dispute this clue. As it was mentioned before, this relates to the argument Lucy had with billy that fateful night over Billy stealing fish. Which Lee Carter witnessed – At first we suspect Billy’s involvement, though going back to the good Friday episode Lucy was there with Lee when she walked down that street and it was while she was blowing him off. So did Lee retrace their steps during the party hoping to find Lucy?
They’ve built Lee’s character up to be really observant of late - which he never used to be. The conversation last night with Stan about his death sounds as to us as though it’s about Stan’s character arc but could really be about how haunted Lee is by his dealings in the army. Then Lee’s suspicion about Lauren and sending the video to Emma; putting Lauren in the frame. There was also Lee pointing the finger at Billy’s dealing with Lucy on the night. Lee keeps shifting and shifting and shifting the blame. Ironically he shows more interest in what was going on, more so than Lucy’s own father who gave up trying to solve the mystery a day after Jake was arrested. Just having one of the Carters involved is so confusing as I don’t know whether this is a good thing or a bad thing... are the writers now merely making Lee a good intrinsic person, completely rid of the red cloud of violence in his eyes? I really like the cultural currency of EastEnders having a character from the army in it - but his wise owl behaviour seems forced and has happened without warning. Traditionally on EastEnders’s a character needs to go through an event in order to exhibit depth or change. For example Tina has matured vastly due to what she learned from being with Tosh.

However when it concerns the argument over stealing fish… the main candidates were Billy and Lola, both of whom appear to be out of the murder equation. So why film the Beal dynamic here? The chip shop hasn’t been mentioned much lately, by anyone. Why mention it in the trailer? Surely Ian’s restaurant would have been more ideal. Also Jane in the trailer has regressed to being suited in a chippy outfit and hat - when in the present moment Jane is being set up with the portrayal of becoming more of a laid back, relaxed and glamourous character. She seems to have reverted to the time where Ian pushed her around taking advantage of being an accessory to his business.

If I were to taken a wild guess on the trailer’s location, it is maybe because the chip shop overlooks the square more? Logically the chippy is therefore in view of the killers route when they went on their way to murder (accidently kill) her? The argument Lucy had with Billy was when she returned from the flats. So it must have happened after the video of Fat-boy and Jay etc. Meaning that anyone in that video could have done it.
I’m not a believer that Lauren did it but it doesn’t seem logical that she was stalking the square looking for her best mate that night - yet she didn’t see Lucy even when she returned and argued with Billy? I wonder did Lauren even really go straight back home after, neither Max or Abi confirmed this & she hasn’t shown any concern over their whereabouts - or even commented on where Max or Abi were that night. She simply believes them?
This is strange because we know for a fact Max wasn’t there all night for (at least five mins) and it is heavily suspected that he was involved. Too much evidence points to this. Max knows either the person who did it or who the person who moved Lucy … I’m sure during those “five mins” he was the one that tampered with lost footage in the park. He’s done it before. Who else would have realised how to do that? Dom Tread-well said Lucy’s fall in the car lot was a red herring but it was also a clue.

Last moving onto Peter. For children in need, Peter’s calendar photo of him holding pickles which romanticized his crappy job. I know it was for a good cause and all but that photo has flashed on the soaps screen more often than any other of the photos. Why? Because looking back - Peter really resented working in the chip shop and it was him that looked after the business during Ian’s breakdown and while Lucy took care of the café. Also remember back when Lola used to work there before she became a mother, and I think Cindy also worked there for little while.
Will keep investigating! Sorry for long comment lol. :huh:

Peter was still in Devon when Ian had his breakdown. Lucy ran the cafe and the chippy, because it was during that time, she sacked Lola and reported her to the police for stealing oil with which she vandalised Max's car lot.

Lee keeps coming and going from my suspects' list, and had Johnny not left this year and owing to the propensity of this EP to include the Carters in absolutely every storyline (and I say this as someone who likes the Carters and who likes Lee), I would have had him pegged as the killer.

Now, my thoughts waver between Jane (trying to frame Ian), Ian (with Jane trying to cover for him), and Max as an outside choice.

Abi would be the biggest joke in the world, but Abi as the killer would justify DTC's killing of Nick as a contingency plan.
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Roly
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2mBOOuNlpc

Someone on DS spotted, or heard rather, that the music playing in the street when Jane picks Ian up off the floor is intrigingly similar to the music played at the NTAs.

So maybe it wasn't her jewellery box after all?
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That's a good spot, you couldn't hear the music inside the house so where could it be coming from? Ian later looks out the window so could be looking at where she died, which would also be very near Jane's car!

I like how using the clues we could make a case for most people, and I'm not sure whether to think it's the person most of the clues are pointing to or the one with no clues pointing to them, not including Les and Pam who I'm convinced have got nothing to do with it. I still think it's Peter with Jane covering.

Edit- The music also plays when Peter opens the back door. As it's quite quiet I'm surprised you could hear the same thing from both doors, unless it's coming from upstairs in the house and there are windows open.
Edited by Katie, 27 Jan 2015, 18:17.
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Jane leaves to get Cindy and Bobby, giving her time to move what ever it is that is making the noise. It's also raining when she leaves so the music could be muffled.

One of us, somewhere in this thread will have got it right, 100%.
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Does anybody think the trailer is maybe a) a red herring to point the finger at Lee? Or b) alludes to Lee bring the one who killed her or c) that lee maybe solves the crime??
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Ok, now I'm thinking it's Jane and I think Cindy might have helped her move Lucy's body.

Possible outsider: Whitney.
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Thanks Nick
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No one really give it much thought that it would of been hard to move a body in a few minutes there would have needed to be a bigger time margin and to shift a dead lifeless (harder to lift dead weight as fact) body is quite a hard job for one person alone so the death probably happened later than 830 if lucy returned back to the square why was this cctv never found? If the police investigated billys involvement wouldn't they look into footage based on them time frames from when he last saw her

I reckon she was going to the common that night to meet a dealer and got drugs and went by to the house another theory I just thought off was that after this she bumped into Peter and he could of lashed out at her feeling as he was pushed out by Ian didn't like to see her abusing the cocaine and wanted her to stop

But believe in my Denise theory the most, lucy came back with her stash and probably got mouthy at Denise as she believes Denise knows all about it and had an argument and Denise and lucy had a scuffle on the landing and Denise pushed her down the stairs or hit her

As we know Denise was seen to have gone bk to house after lucy went out I very much doubt she slept through the whole thing [edit_reason]slight error[/edit_reason]
Edited by niteflyer, 28 Jan 2015, 00:31.
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I think for it to be rooted in truth it has to be a beale. There are many reasons for each beale.

For Jane, the long history between the family, unable to conceive, Lucy aborting her baby, ians continual bullying. With depth any of those could be explained away as rooted in truth.

For peter im sure there's always been twin rivalry, but also coming home to find Lucy owned everything? The fact that he missed an important part of the family life by not being there through ians breakdown and recovery.

Cindy, being pushed out of the family, I least likely think it's her, if anything Maybe she's scared she was responsible due to an altercation on that night but never saw Lucy die/dead. Jane would be very good in calming her and reassuring her, or even letting her believe she did it but Jane was helping her to keep quiet.

For Ian, the truth is rooted in that he loves his children. I think his admission that Lucy was the favourite twin is significant. I also think peters worry about ians breakdown was also significant as a plot to bring back Jane. In my opinion this is most rooted in truth, and involves Jane.

I also think the recent news about Sarah Phelps episode regarding making tish cry suggests to me an Ian/Sharon scene, either about Lucy, or because Jane is responsible in some way.
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Brilliantly done trailer.....watched it twice
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Brilliantly done trailer.....watched it twice
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Watching the duff duff countdown on BBC3 and remembering the scene where Jane was shot - it was Lucy dragging the gun away from Steven that resulted in the gun pointing at Jane. Jane wanted Steven to off himself and goaded him, but ended up unable to have a child.

When she came back before Lucy's death she muscled in pretty quickly, going back into step mum mode and pushing Denise out. I can easily imagine St Jane confronting Lucy, who would have responded with something cruel, like the fact that Jane wasn't her Mum, or really Bobby's mum, or anyone's mum and Jane losing it and lashing out, killing her. Not premeditated murder, but with definite motive, hence Emma's "It's still murder".

Jane's behaviour lately is very erratic. I think she's the most likely candidate.
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I think Jane definitely knows who it is. Her planting the evidence rather than get rid of it (still don't know why) will be how this all kicks off again, imo. Someone, somehow, will find the phone and purse, and all fingers will point to Jane, before she reveals who it is. That's how I can see it happening, anyway; I'm not sure how else the phone and purse fit back into the story.

So if i'm right and Jane knows who it is, who would she be protecting? Peter, Ian, and Cindy, definitely. It's not too much of a jump to suggest she'd protect Abi and Lauren, them being her former best friends daughter. I'm wondering if she'd protect Ben, too...trying to think back if they shared any significant scenes together back in the day.

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One thing I've struggled to get past is the fact that, in the episode after Lucy's death, none of the Beales seem in any way aware of the fact they have killed Lucy. It's possible they didn't realise until hearing she'd died, but I have another theory too.

Between Lucy's death and the police arriving, which two suspects behave unusually? Max and Abi. You could argue this makes them too obvious but Dom said the story was rooted in truth. These are the only two with whom something is inexplicably amiss. Max is hungover after Lucy died, and on Good Friday had no known specific reason to drink himself into oblivion. He clearly had no real feelings for her; compare his reaction to how he has now been affected by Emma's death. In killing Lucy, or at least covering for her killer, he has now been punished by losing someone he did love. And let's not forget that on Tuesday Abi was sitting exactly where the killer was when they met Emma at New Year.

It's Abi. No it's Jane. No it's Abi. It's one or the other.
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Her own shadow.
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Maybe it's Abi and Max and Jane both know and helped covered it up.
Maybe Jane Witnessed it and got Max's help
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I'm terrible. I constantly change my mind. In it's not the most popular opinion, but I really believe Abi would have decent impact as a killer. She's known well by all of the audience and has that 'Oh my God it's Max's daughter!'-type effect. And contrary to even more popular believe, I quite like Lorna as an actress.

Anyway. If it was a simple case of who I think it is, it's between Whitney, Lee, Jane, Abi or Cindy. But then I'm reminded that Lee and especially Cindy wouldn't have a big enough impact. Whitney and Abi would have similar impact. And Jane would be huge.

It's Jane.

If it is Jane, it puts her shock return into perspective a little bit. She was brought back especially to kill Lucy, probably.
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29 Jan 2015, 19:51
I'm terrible. I constantly change my mind. In it's not the most popular opinion, but I really believe Abi would have decent impact as a killer. She's known well by all of the audience and has that 'Oh my God it's Max's daughter!'-type effect. And contrary to even more popular believe, I quite like Lorna as an actress.

Anyway. If it was a simple case of who I think it is, it's between Whitney, Lee, Jane, Abi or Cindy. But then I'm reminded that Lee and especially Cindy wouldn't have a big enough impact. Whitney and Abi would have similar impact. And Jane would be huge.

It's Jane.

If it is Jane, it puts her shock return into perspective a little bit. She was brought back especially to kill Lucy, probably.
And as I mentioned previously, it was Lucy that made Ian convince her to stay, making it even more tragic. My heart says it's Jane, but my head says Abi. If it's not Jane, then she knows something, and vice-versa.
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I'm tempted to put a bet on denise
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3FDOsKLmCA&x-yt-ts=1422411861&x-yt-cl=84924572

What do you guys think of this? from 1,07 listen carefully.
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