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Who Killed Lucy?; All the theories
Topic Started: 20 Apr 2014, 05:49 (367,796 Views)
Mrs Peel
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sherlockwanabe
31 Jan 2015, 23:56
I'm trying to think of unanswered questions that need answering...
Allow me ...

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Things like why has Whitney been away so long?


The actress has been unwell, They accounted for Whitney's absences realistically. Bianca broke her leg, and she had to go to Milton Keynes to help with the kids. Carol & co spent Christmas in Milton Keynes with Bianca.

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Why did Emma give Lee a funny look after she met the suspect?


I thought it was the other way around. Anyway, red herring. Making Lee the killer would be Carter Overkill.

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What was Denise doing for the few hours after she got back?


Probably getting ready for bed and thinking about how she was going to dump Ian.

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What "wasn't there"?


Good question. Everyone's asking that. Jane's car? Lucy's jewelry box?

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What are Max and Abi hiding about that night?


Who knows? If Max is the killer, this could be very interesting, as of all the suspects, he and Jane have been acting the most sinister. If Abi is the killer, then the whole thing borders on Jokeland, which is probably why Nick's death is being mooted as another highlight.

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Why did Jame jump to defend Lauren?


Because Jane needs an alibi. By saying that she saw Lauren outside the Beale house and saw her leave, because Jane was watching from the Masood house, if Lauren is asked if anyone saw her leave, she mentions Jane, and Jane is placed at the Masood's house at that hour. But Jane would have to have the neck of a giraffe to have seen Lauren on the recessed front porch of the Beale house.

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Why is Tanya coming back?


To attend Jane's wedding. Those two are as thick as thieves.

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Why did Billy hide the photos?


Red herring, as Billy has been eliminated from the suspects' list.

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Whose photos were they?


Probably Peter's, but they looked like slick modelling agency photos from Hetti Bywater's days on the catwalk.

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What did Ben omit from his "confession" to Phil?


What do you mean? The very fact that Ben told Phil how he came by Lucy's purse and phone indicates that he told Phil more than he told Ian. Unless Ben killed Lucy, which I doubt,there's very little he may have told Phil. Maybe Ben had something to do with moving the body.

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Are Lola and Jay an item?


No.

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Why did Les get mad when asked about Lucy?


He wasn't asked about Lucy directly. He got angry because of something Emma mentioned obliquely to Pam in the Minute Mart. Pam euthanised the Cokers' son, and Les knows this. They're afraid of prosecution.

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Why did Peter not have sympathy pains for his twin?


Doesn't always happen, and judging by the last sympathy pains scene back during the Range Rover in the Lake storyline, that was bum-clinchingly embarrassingly bad, and what purpose would it have served?

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How did Lucy's blood and earring get into Aleks' flat?


Lucy had visited Jake in the flat.He was doing a website fo LB Holdings. Could have lost that earring then. The blood? Maybe she hurt herself when she was helping him home drunk,

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Was Jake really leg less as he looked okay ish in the CCTV?


That could have been before he started drinking that night.

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What was the taxi driver going to disclose before Peter kicked off?


Any manner of something or nothing.

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Was Billy's argument really about fish?


Yes. He'd been stealing fish or Big Mo to sell.

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Why did Jane keep the phone/wallet? Help!!!!!!!!!


She's either covering for someone or trying to frame someone or protect herself.
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what time does the competition open at
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Mrs Peel
1 Feb 2015, 00:32
sherlockwanabe
31 Jan 2015, 23:56
I'm trying to think of unanswered questions that need answering...
Allow me ...

Quote:
 
Things like why has Whitney been away so long?


The actress has been unwell, They accounted for Whitney's absences realistically. Bianca broke her leg, and she had to go to Milton Keynes to help with the kids. Carol & co spent Christmas in Milton Keynes with Bianca.

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Why did Emma give Lee a funny look after she met the suspect?


I thought it was the other way around. Anyway, red herring. Making Lee the killer would be Carter Overkill.

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What was Denise doing for the few hours after she got back?


Probably getting ready for bed and thinking about how she was going to dump Ian.

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What "wasn't there"?


Good question. Everyone's asking that. Jane's car? Lucy's jewelry box?

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What are Max and Abi hiding about that night?


Who knows? If Max is the killer, this could be very interesting, as of all the suspects, he and Jane have been acting the most sinister. If Abi is the killer, then the whole thing borders on Jokeland, which is probably why Nick's death is being mooted as another highlight.

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Why did Jame jump to defend Lauren?


Because Jane needs an alibi. By saying that she saw Lauren outside the Beale house and saw her leave, because Jane was watching from the Masood house, if Lauren is asked if anyone saw her leave, she mentions Jane, and Jane is placed at the Masood's house at that hour. But Jane would have to have the neck of a giraffe to have seen Lauren on the recessed front porch of the Beale house.

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Why is Tanya coming back?


To attend Jane's wedding. Those two are as thick as thieves.

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Why did Billy hide the photos?


Red herring, as Billy has been eliminated from the suspects' list.

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Whose photos were they?


Probably Peter's, but they looked like slick modelling agency photos from Hetti Bywater's days on the catwalk.

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What did Ben omit from his "confession" to Phil?


What do you mean? The very fact that Ben told Phil how he came by Lucy's purse and phone indicates that he told Phil more than he told Ian. Unless Ben killed Lucy, which I doubt,there's very little he may have told Phil. Maybe Ben had something to do with moving the body.

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Are Lola and Jay an item?


No.

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Why did Les get mad when asked about Lucy?


He wasn't asked about Lucy directly. He got angry because of something Emma mentioned obliquely to Pam in the Minute Mart. Pam euthanised the Cokers' son, and Les knows this. They're afraid of prosecution.

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Why did Peter not have sympathy pains for his twin?


Doesn't always happen, and judging by the last sympathy pains scene back during the Range Rover in the Lake storyline, that was bum-clinchingly embarrassingly bad, and what purpose would it have served?

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How did Lucy's blood and earring get into Aleks' flat?


Lucy had visited Jake in the flat.He was doing a website fo LB Holdings. Could have lost that earring then. The blood? Maybe she hurt herself when she was helping him home drunk,

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Was Jake really leg less as he looked okay ish in the CCTV?


That could have been before he started drinking that night.

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What was the taxi driver going to disclose before Peter kicked off?


Any manner of something or nothing.

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Was Billy's argument really about fish?


Yes. He'd been stealing fish or Big Mo to sell.

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Why did Jane keep the phone/wallet? Help!!!!!!!!!


She's either covering for someone or trying to frame someone or protect herself.
Re the photos of Lucy, I thought they were Lola's, if you look they are the ones from the press cuttings I think, Lola sold her story in Lucy and I was thinking these are the photos she provided maybe?!

I think Billy found the folder and hid it.

Re blood in Jakes flat, my best friend says she remembered Lucy cutting her finger when she was at Jakes possibly when he was helping with the web...didn't see it myself but she's pretty sure. Eating could have very easily come off on him if Lucy was helping him. He did look pretty oiled on the cctv, also he'd probably got a bottle with him I suspect!

Could be wrong but it makes sense!

Jane could be hiding the wallet / phone as she knows Ben didn't kill Lucy...

My thought has been why didn't lucy send that text to Peter for the Cocaine?! Do we know if she typed it out that night?! May lead to either she got interrupted, found Peter, or bumped into someone else that could get her a deal!?!
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31 Jan 2015, 20:52
WalfordE20
31 Jan 2015, 20:39

Quoting limited to 2 levels deep
If Whitney killed Lucy, that'd mean that Lily's mother, father, Aunt Whitney and Uncle Sean are all murderers.
Not much hope for her when she grows up then :D
Just livin' in perfect New Zealand!
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for gods sake, there should be spoilers and cast lists out for after "THE big week" by now, can someone please look at them and see who is missing????

then we can all get some sleep :clap:
Just livin' in perfect New Zealand!
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The timeline continues to confuse me. Denise arrives home just as Lucy leaves at 19.59 and Ian's car is parked outside. Denise later phones Libby at 21.45. Most of this time presumably consists of Lucy meeting Jake, and possibly being seen by Billy and Lee. We then cut to Lucy's body.

The police are focused on the missing hours between 21.30 and 12.00. At some point Lauren is seen outside the Beales', potentially around 23.30 if the Vic has closed. Ian's car is outside and Jane's is not. Why would Jane be out in her car at midnight? I think we know the answer.
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I've not seen any info to suggest Shona has been unwell.
Her and Danielle, between them have been suspiciously quiet, and we all know that....but no reason as to why. DTC never talks about them either...
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WalfordE20
1 Feb 2015, 11:08
The timeline continues to confuse me. Denise arrives home just as Lucy leaves at 19.59 and Ian's car is parked outside. Denise later phones Libby at 21.45. Most of this time presumably consists of Lucy meeting Jake, and possibly being seen by Billy and Lee. We then cut to Lucy's body.

The police are focused on the missing hours between 21.30 and 12.00. At some point Lauren is seen outside the Beales', potentially around 23.30 if the Vic has closed. Ian's car is outside and Jane's is not. Why would Jane be out in her car at midnight? I think we know the answer.
On Emmas notes she initially has missing hours 10pm to 8am, then no record 23:30 - 8am

Does this mean Lucy used her phone or was spotted somewhere on cctv, we also have to think Billy and lee's account would have been worked into the time frame on this!
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Oh you don't even have to give a theory on the competition, just a name.

I went for Jane.
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I think Mrs Peel might be right about Ian. The music box is still in the Beale's kitchen in the episode after they learn of Lucy's death. You can see it on the bench in 3 scenes. Lucy must have died in the kitchen. I think Ian has hit her and fled without realising what he has done and someone else found the body eg Jane! which explains her behaviour perfectly. Jane moved the body and covered it up thinking she was protecting someone BUT she doesn't know who and is too scared to bring it up.

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I still can't understand how Ben and Jay took only Lucy's phone and purse. As Ian said, Lucy's bag was found with her body, and furthermore a mugging had been staged. Coincidence? Perhaps.

I still can't rule Abi out. It would explain why she's so ok with dating a killer. And she asked Lauren if the person following her was Lucy's killer, which I think could have been ironic.

My top two killers are still Abi and Jane, with Max helping somehow.
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1 Feb 2015, 12:50
I still can't understand how Ben and Jay took only Lucy's phone and purse. As Ian said, Lucy's bag was found with her body, and furthermore a mugging had been staged. Coincidence? Perhaps.
I'm not completely convinced about this, but my theory is whoever moved her body took the bag with them to make it look like she died away from Albert Square, as she would have had her bag with her. The phone and wallet fell out of the bag on the common. Ben and Jay found them, then saw the body and didn't want to call the police in case they got accused of her murder, and then after they left they remembered they still had her phone and purse.

Although if the fact we heard her answerphone messages playing when we saw her body means her phone was there at that point, that's the theory ruined!
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1 Feb 2015, 12:50
I still can't understand how Ben and Jay took only Lucy's phone and purse. As Ian said, Lucy's bag was found with her body, and furthermore a mugging had been staged. Coincidence? Perhaps.

I still can't rule Abi out. It would explain why she's so ok with dating a killer. And she asked Lauren if the person following her was Lucy's killer, which I think could have been ironic.

My top two killers are still Abi and Jane, with Max helping somehow.
I was thinking that either Ben mugged lucy and may have contributed somehow to her injuries and then Lucy was still alive and returned back to square or....

more likely Ben found the body maybe on the common and took the items from her bag maybe not knowing it was lucy in the dark until he checked the name in wallet or did know it was her but didn't call for help. For all we know, she could have been still alive when he found her?!?!

Keep thinking about DTC's comment about the killer being "a monster" did he say this before they all sat in a hotel locked away and changed the killer!! To be a monster surely that points to someone being cruel and evil perhaps leaving her to die slowly on the common having moved her body or offering her help then dumping her?!



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1 Feb 2015, 13:19
WalfordE20
1 Feb 2015, 12:50
I still can't understand how Ben and Jay took only Lucy's phone and purse. As Ian said, Lucy's bag was found with her body, and furthermore a mugging had been staged. Coincidence? Perhaps.
I'm not completely convinced about this, but my theory is whoever moved her body took the bag with them to make it look like she died away from Albert Square, as she would have had her bag with her. The phone and wallet fell out of the bag on the common. Ben and Jay found them, then saw the body and didn't want to call the police in case they got accused of her murder, and then after they left they remembered they still had her phone and purse.

Although if the fact we heard her answerphone messages playing when we saw her body means her phone was there at that point, that's the theory ruined!
No but it fits the theory that Ben came across her body after being dumped...if you remember Jay and Ben had an argument over it in the Mitchell's kitchen and Jay clearly claimed he wasn't there to Ben leading us to Ben was alone when he obtained the items or was some way involved with Lucy.
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I don't trust the 'monster' quote. I thought Dom was misquoted and said 'the killer is... amongst them.' If not it completely contradicts everything else he said.

On the hunt for clues and my attention has been drawn once again to Peter's call to Emma during Phil and Sharon's reception. Sharon says 'there's not one person in this room who hasn't done something they regret', and a quick cut to Peter who heads outside, calls Emma and asks if she's got a second. He's interrupted by Lauren- and the conversation is never mentioned again. Abi also sticks out during Sharon's speech, being the only one whose secrets we remain unaware of.

Okay. Maybe Peter kills Lucy and doesn't realise. This is witnessed by Jane. Meanwhile, Abi believes she has killed Lucy and later confides in Max. I just don't know.
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For me it's either Cindy or Peter, being protected by Jane.
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1 Feb 2015, 13:44
I don't trust the 'monster' quote. I thought Dom was misquoted and said 'the killer is... amongst them.' If not it completely contradicts everything else he said.

On the hunt for clues and my attention has been drawn once again to Peter's call to Emma during Phil and Sharon's reception. Sharon says 'there's not one person in this room who hasn't done something they regret', and a quick cut to Peter who heads outside, calls Emma and asks if she's got a second. He's interrupted by Lauren- and the conversation is never mentioned again. Abi also sticks out during Sharon's speech, being the only one whose secrets we remain unaware of.

Okay. Maybe Peter kills Lucy and doesn't realise. This is witnessed by Jane. Meanwhile, Abi believes she has killed Lucy and later confides in Max. I just don't know.
I don't think it fits either which is why I keep thinking about it! Unless they are a complete monster and it only gets revealed that's what they are when it all comes out!

If Jane killed Lucy and now is integrating herself in the family like nothing has happened I'd say that's pretty Monstrous!

Or someone who was responsible leading someone else to believe they were within the family that would be bad too!


I have to say I keep thinking Peter...hmmmmm but usually with stuff like this you get a feeling and he's the one I keep thinking back to, and then I'm like no it's not him hahaha

Whatever the outcome, impressive or not I will keep in mind how good the run up has been, brilliant! Love it!
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I've focused heavily on all things EastEnders in the last year and I've never heard the monster quote before either.

And even if it was said, I don't think I'm going to take it literally. I don't think the main bulk of suspects are capable of being monsters. I can't image that Lucy's death was anything other than a complete accident or a heat of the moment rage.
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On another note did anyone notice that the timeline with the digital clock saying 23:59 has gone missing from the lucy beale case file?! This held the timeline although it was very sketchy it talked about lucy catching bus, Vic closing and the party going on for several hours... Weird it should just disappear?!
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1 Feb 2015, 14:08
I've focused heavily on all things EastEnders in the last year and I've never heard the monster quote before either.

And even if it was said, I don't think I'm going to take it literally. I don't think the main bulk of suspects are capable of being monsters. I can't image that Lucy's death was anything other than a complete accident or a heat of the moment rage.
It's on the EE site from April,am wondering if that was before they changed their minds about the killer...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/eastenders/entries/bcd845cb-2efc-3b25-b2b2-226ec378e2cd
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