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Who Killed Lucy?; All the theories
Topic Started: 20 Apr 2014, 05:49 (367,794 Views)
Blondie08
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Anyone thought about Lucy plotting to fake her own death and it went wrong or someone got in there and killed her first... Have a read of this...DTC loves Christie right?!?

http://fritzfreiheit.com/wiki/Plot_devices_in_Agatha_Christie's_novels
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1 Feb 2015, 14:54
We find out THIS MONTH…! I am going to look back through this thread and probably laugh at how wrong I was.

I was thinking Whitney for a while, but now I'm not sure. She's gone down on my list. Not big enough impact or shock.

Right now I'm thinking Jane (this may very likely change over the next 18 days). Even saying 18 days sounds odd. Cindy is a strong possibility. And the more I think about it Ian and Peter are becoming more likely (I really hope it's not Ian). Or Peter to be honest.

Abi seems to be one of the bookies favourites. I would be so disappointed (and probably laugh) if she turned out to be the killer. I know we've seen a more tough side to her in the last year but this is the girl who would struggle to bury her gerbils! She's not a murderer! I really hope the killer is not a Branning, I'm a bit sick of them at the moment.

So on the 1st of anniversary month I'm saying Jane and/or Cindy. With the outside chance of it being a Beale.

I do wonder though, is there ANY possibility it might be not one of the 14 final suspects? They do love to shock the viewers and it would get people talking!

Totally agree! Changes every 5 minutes in my head right now! If it is not in the top 14 suspects then that means either a) Emma met an accomplice not the killer in the park, or b) Emma got it wrong

I will also laugh if its abi hahah
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http://www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz-tv/hot-tv/423117/EastEnders-Lucy-Beale-killer-photos-moments-before-murderer-strikes

Jamie Borthwick, Ben Hardy and Hetti Bywater filming the flashback episode. Seems Jay and Lucy did directly interact one on one that night,
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1 Feb 2015, 16:15
I've really enjoyed the pacing of the storyline. I think the pacing is what has made this storyline so realistic, cases can go unsolved for years. Had it not been for Who Killed Lucy, what would the 30th been about? They needed a big plot to get people talking and that's exactly what it's done.

I've entered the competition with Jane, because both her best friend, brother and husband are going to be around on anniversary week.
I think I might say Jane but I might say Cindy instead because if Cindy killed Lucy accidently she could have phoned Jane and Jane comes and they put the body in the car. But there hasn't been too much focus on Cindy.
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1 Feb 2015, 16:11
Mrs Peel and Blondie08 thanks for your responses!!!! :)

To clarify the Ben/phil bit: afterwards Jay asked Ben how much he had told him and Ben said something like only as much as I had to otherwise do you think if be standing here?!
This conversation was in reference to Ben telling Ian not Ben telling Phil. He told Ian an abridged version of events. It was implied that he told Phil the truth.

If Ben had a huge part to play in the murder or covering of it/moving the body Phil would have hit the roof, especially if he had gotten himself involved at the say so of someone else (Jane) Ben will go back to prison if he gets caught involved in anything illegal.

For what it's worth I think the killer is definitely one of the suspects. Dtcs style doesn't seem to be a lying approach, more a clever twist approach. I don't think he would outright lie about it being one of the 14, especially when it was well publicised the suspects would be narrowed down. That doesn't mean people outside of the suspect lost don't have a role to play, just that they weren't involved in lucys death.
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Mormon Girl
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When people entered the competition was anyone thinking should I go for that person or the other person I think it could be?
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1 Feb 2015, 15:49
Perhaps peter did something, Lucy fell but was alive (in front of Jane) peter stomped off, Jane has a talk with Lucy where Lucy reveals whatever secret and then dies.

Jane moves the body to eliminate suspicion on the beale family as she doesn't want peter to know he's responsible. At the wedding it's revealed Jane is the killer and she will cover for peter so peter never has to know what he did.

However, Peter could already assume he was responsible hence his reaction when he was told. His obsession with solving the murder could be explained as him desperate to prove Lucy left him alive and well and someone else was responsible (perhaps he is also unaware of who moved her body so believes it cannot be him)
That's pretty much what I think. Peter hurt her and left while she was still alive. Jane was still around when she collapsed and died, so Jane moved her body. Now it looks like Peter was getting drugs that night, he could have given them to Lucy who opened her jewellery box to put them inside just before she collapsed. Peter would then assume that whoever moved her body had killed her, meaning it wasn't him.

Does anyone know where Walford Common is in real life? I'm sure her body being taken there will be live so no one gets any pictures of it being filmed, and I was just wondering how far from the main set it is.
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1 Feb 2015, 17:13
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1 Feb 2015, 15:49
Perhaps peter did something, Lucy fell but was alive (in front of Jane) peter stomped off, Jane has a talk with Lucy where Lucy reveals whatever secret and then dies.

Jane moves the body to eliminate suspicion on the beale family as she doesn't want peter to know he's responsible. At the wedding it's revealed Jane is the killer and she will cover for peter so peter never has to know what he did.

However, Peter could already assume he was responsible hence his reaction when he was told. His obsession with solving the murder could be explained as him desperate to prove Lucy left him alive and well and someone else was responsible (perhaps he is also unaware of who moved her body so believes it cannot be him)
That's pretty much what I think. Peter hurt her and left while she was still alive. Jane was still around when she collapsed and died, so Jane moved her body. Now it looks like Peter was getting drugs that night, he could have given them to Lucy who opened her jewellery box to put them inside just before she collapsed. Peter would then assume that whoever moved her body had killed her, meaning it wasn't him.

Does anyone know where Walford Common is in real life? I'm sure her body being taken there will be live so no one gets any pictures of it being filmed, and I was just wondering how far from the main set it is.
I think Peter is too obvious since Ben Hardy is leaving.
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1 Feb 2015, 16:02
I've entered the competition with Cindy, although I'm still thinking Jane helped her cover it up. I'd spent the majority of the story thinking it was Peter but I've gradually gone off that theory since Ben Hardy's exit was announced.

It's mad to think that three weeks from now it'll all be out in the open - pretty much a year since the story was first announced. I know some say it's been dragged out but for me it's really flown in - it feels like only yesterday that I was watching Ian being told that Lucy was dead.
I keep changing my mind between Jane and Cindy but now I think Peter or Ian. Why did Denise turn the picture of Ian and Lucy so she couldn't see it?
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1 Feb 2015, 16:02
I've entered the competition with Cindy, although I'm still thinking Jane helped her cover it up. I'd spent the majority of the story thinking it was Peter but I've gradually gone off that theory since Ben Hardy's exit was announced.

It's mad to think that three weeks from now it'll all be out in the open - pretty much a year since the story was first announced. I know some say it's been dragged out but for me it's really flown in - it feels like only yesterday that I was watching Ian being told that Lucy was dead.
If Ben Hardy's exit wasn't announced then I would think its Peter but with Ben leaving and Jacqueline leaving I think Peter and Lauren are too obvious now.
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I keep changing my mind with Cindy Jnr and Jane. If Jane killed Lucy then Cindy would have to gone where Jane was by walking but if Cindy Jnr killed Lucy then she cold have phoned Jane and Jane could have driven or walked to Cindy. That is what Im torn on and I don't know who to put as my guess in the competition.
Edited by Mormon Girl, 1 Feb 2015, 18:32.
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1 Feb 2015, 16:34
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz-tv/hot-tv/423117/EastEnders-Lucy-Beale-killer-photos-moments-before-murderer-strikes

Jamie Borthwick, Ben Hardy and Hetti Bywater filming the flashback episode. Seems Jay and Lucy did directly interact one on one that night,
Remember that these are paparazzi photos taken when they are filming in public places. They don't always resemble what we actually see, similar shots of Nick's funeral appeared to have a double for June Brown, but they didn't use her in the final version.

For something this important and confidential, it wouldn't surprise me if they deliberately threw in some red herrings. Rather like when the have shot multiple endings so that no one knows which is real.
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1 Feb 2015, 17:08
When people entered the competition was anyone thinking should I go for that person or the other person I think it could be?
Yes, I have two suspects in my mind. I never get these right (Archie, Who shot Phil, Heather's baby), so I went for my second choice.
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Stacey was the person I thought was least likely to kill Archie, so going by that logic Ian killed Lucy. :p

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If Peter or Ian did it it would obviously be emotional to the max. If Jane, not so much.
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Is Ben hardy definitely without a doubt leaving?

Plus if he never finds out he did it/Jane takes the blame for him, he can just leave.

I also wonder if the Ben hardy announcement was to make peter too obvious so when it's revealed as him everyone kicks themselves. I did read on ee twitter something about it being obvious or to not think so hard (can't remember exactly lol!)

Also, for Jane to cover for someone, is just being a family member enough. After all Lucy is/was family.

With Ian, she could be trying to keep it from him due to mental health problems and with peter it could be about saving the family and hiding the truth for ians sake (and bobby her apparent priority)

She may not have known about the drugs hence telling Ian about the text, however she has hidden that phone for a reason.

I just can't see her lying for Cindy. I think Cindy is involved in lucys last night somewhere but as far as Jane covering for her? Why would she? It's someone who has little emotional ties to her, not really family. This person murdered her daughter (by marriage) if Jane is covering it's got to be for a damn good reason and not because it's her friends daughter or has a baby/is a relation etc.

It's a beale it has to be. There's just so many varying theories on which one it could be
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Please excuse my really long comment, which has a zillion typo's in it (I'm sure) as I'm hurrying it to move onto my college work.
So I've suspected nearly every character in this forum tbh. But they're just going to try to misdirect us even more in the upcoming weeks so I reckon it's best to come up with a theory now rather than be subject to future bias opinions and events. So yeah, I'm now calling it.
I'm....
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also going for Peter! But with a twist...
Starting on the bus.
Jay sit's in front of Lucy on the bus looking out the window. He doesn't see her behind him and makes the mistake of calling Ben and giving away information that Lucy overhears while sitting behind him. Lucy gets off the outside the flats giving Jay a suspicious look. He's nervous, stalks Lucy to figure out how much she overheard. Lucy's behaviour makes Jay rethink the robbery because he knows that she knows he's in contact with Ben.

The incident with Jake stone happens. Lucy helps him get into a cab drunk, they go home to Walford.
Max walks his dog as he said he did and spies Lucy getting Jake into the flat, Jake makes a drunken pass at Lucy who warns him off in view of Max. Max is jealous and goes back in his house. Lucy gets Jake in the flat and hurts herself in the process, hence blood in the flat. She looses an earring also.

Lucy either goes home... to Ian's restaurant or the chippy. Max spies on Lucy through the window and knows where she's gone. Lucy calls Peter who meets her. Peter's on drugs (somehow the music box is present to do with the drugs) Peter feels "the failure" and feels he should tell Ian a thing or so about his daughter who is always portrayed as an angel no matter what she does. Peter gets hold of the jewlerry box during the argument making empathic gestures and so on. Lucy tries to get the box back from Peter and Peter takes a swing at her. He's unaware of his strength under the thrall of the drug. However this is still premeditated in the sense he meant to hurt Lucy. Lucy falls down but like Summerhayes so she doesn't die immediately. Box falls to the floor. Peter storms out, then some moments later Lucy dies while she listens to the Music from the box.

Max stalks Lucy to where she is cause he's pathetic and wants to continue the fling as seeing Jake make a pass at her made him jealous. He finds Lucy dead but knows he can't say anything because he's being blackmailed by someone who knows he's involved with Lucy. Ian is nowhere. Max see's Jane's car at Masood's and calls her for help. He asks her to help him as she's Jane's best friend and implores Jane not to let Abi and Lauren go without a dad. Jane says that she'll take care of it and tells Max to go home. Then Ben comes bounding in looking for Lucy because she's a witness to whatever went wrong with Jay and Ben's crime. He finds her dead with Jane. Ben shouldn't be there and Jane blackmails him into helping her make Lucy's death seems like a simple mugging. (Hence how controlling Jane was to Phil when he confronts her an Ian about the possesions)

They go to the common.. Ben disables the camera & Jane moves the body. Ben runs off giving Lucy's possessions to Jay to hide.
The next day Ian and Peter learn that Lucy is dead. Peter doesn't think he killed her because it seemed like a mugging. This explains why he is so obsessed after he finds out that Lucy's body was moved to the common. He wants to know the whole story.

Eventually as time goes on... Peter returns from New Zealand and Jane witnesses peter's behaviour while on drugs. They talk privately and Peter admits to hitting Lucy that night because of drugs during their last moments. Jane suddenly realises that Peter did it! She decides to play mother hen protecting the Beals knowing it he didn't intend to kill her. Christmas day Summerhayes plants the box? She assumes it's Jane who killed Lucy and she meets Jane in the park. Jane tells Emma the big secret that it was Peter. Emma doesn't care, she's a cop at heart. She says that she can't keep Jane's secret and then dies from the car accident... Peter still doesn't realise he did it and Jane feels she'll destroy him if she tells him. In the next few weeks we will assume Jane is the bad guy until that final doof doof moment when she declares that it was Peter.
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Winters
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Well, they seem to be setting it out as an earth-shattering reveal that will stay in our minds forever. If it was Cindy or Whitney we would just think "Oh, so that was the killer".

It's a bit boring that there are so few with a strong emotional connection. It's not like she had a long-term boyfriend or best friend or anyone else with a close relationship to her.
Edited by Winters, 1 Feb 2015, 20:31.
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1 Feb 2015, 15:15
Watch it be like Mary the Punk or Lofty
What utter rubbish.

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Has anyone considered the evidence from her social media? One of her status updates says "I've got so much to prove and such little time." Such little time? This has to be significant. Could she have known that someone was after her? Did she know someone was going to kill her?
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