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Who Killed Lucy?; All the theories
Topic Started: 20 Apr 2014, 05:49 (367,784 Views)
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Mrs Peel
7 Feb 2015, 20:25
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7 Feb 2015, 18:03
Until news broke of Ben Hardy's departure I was totally and utterly convinced it was Peter.

I actually thought the same. I thought that, as they'd announced his departure, him being the killer would be too obvious; but sometimes, in mysteries, the culprit is so obvious, the answer is overlooked.

No one's ever questioned or ascertained what Peter was doing that night. We just saw him overhear Ian's tactless remarks to Lucy, run out and Lucy following him. By the time she got out the door, Peter was gone. The next time we see him is when Ian goes to Billy's flat the next day, looking for Lucy. Lola remarks to Billy that Peter returned late the night before, very upset. When Ian had to tell Peter about Lucy's death, Peter knew before Ian could even say Lucy was "gone."

Watch this:-



Peter knew. Of course, he'd be concerned that something serious had happened, the way Ian entered the Vic and took him by the hand, but by the time they'd got outside, Peter was hyperventilating and knew exactly what Ian was going to say. His behaviour subsequently, in hindsight, especially the way he tried to leave the Square on occasions, now points to his guilt. His entire demeanor points to that, including his blaming Ian, before Christmas, for everything bad that had happened to Lucy. What convinced me of his guilt this week was Lauren's proposal.
I see Peter sitting talking to Lauren.
Ian walks in, looking upset and says to Peter "not in here"
Peter and Ian (IIRC) had been arguing earlier, and both were concerned at Lucys disappearance
Peter sees the serious look on Ians face, realizes something is not right and willingly goes out with him
Ian tells him
Lots of emotional acting

This is why I cant see it being Peter. Peter would have known he had killed Lucy and moved, or helped move the body. I dont think he would have kept it inside himself for the 12(?) hours it took to find her, or for the course of the investigation.


I just have a lot of trouble with whoever it is keeping so secret, esp after meeting with Emma and Emma dying as well. That is something someone like Nick Cotton would do, not Ian, Jane or Peter.
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Kim
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Next week's spoilers have seen Peter heading back onto my radar.
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I reckon Peter could seem more likely

Remember him supporting Lauren in tracking down the killer and he turned up at Cafe to protect her when it's really cos it was him like he was trying to stay on step ahead by acting supportive and affectionate ensuring she doesn't find out the truth
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7 Feb 2015, 23:42
I reckon Peter could seem more likely

Remember him supporting Lauren in tracking down the killer and he turned up at Cafe to protect her when it's really cos it was him like he was trying to stay on step ahead by acting supportive and affectionate ensuring she doesn't find out the truth
Definitely that. It was like the cabbie was about to say something else until Peter scared him off.

In the early stages, Peter's actions could be explained as being desperate to establish that someone saw Lucy after he did, as that would mean that he wasn't responsible.
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It's strange I wonder how peter actually got onto the common? How easy would it have been for him? The promo pics show him on the common or near it in a car buying drugs. So is it too far for peter to walk there? Not impossible.
The 1/2th a marathon episode had Tamwar and Masood conveniently explain the route via being on foot in that episode. The exact words begin with Tamwar saying "You're gonna head past Beals on Wheels, and then after the allotments you're gonna head for the park..." To which Masood cuts Tamwar off, finishing the sentence by saying .."and then straight down the high street, past the tube, over the common, across the canal and straight to the finishing line."
Need to look at a good Walford map!
I mean they purposefully didn't cut away from Albert square in that episode and go on the route with the runners. I think that would really have excited the fans to see Lucy's "death route". So does that mean its irrelevant and Lucy was killed in Albert square? Probably. I think the route is important leading up to Lucy's death. Both Jay and Ben were around that area at the time along with Peter. And from the promo pics outside the bus Jay is unsure of his surroundings - quizzing Lucy for directions.
It's not probable, but its possible Peter got the very same cab earlier on that night though it was just not with Lucy. Maybe he got it at a different time. Which could explain what the cab driver was about to say to Lauren. Nobody else was in the cab with Lucy and Jake, however it was a pretty big coincidence he had driven the victims brother hours before? Peter would have been on the news surely. It's a long shot but the cab driver could also have been caught up in the drugs affair with peter. The Taxi was an off-license one & we aren't sure who's car Peter's sitting in in the photos.

I just watched the episode and It took Masood five hours to run the 1/2 marathon route. However the clock says that peter could run it in just under 2 hours, interesting. Also just before Masood makes his reappearance - Tanwar and Shabnam were considering to get a taxi and drive along that route to find Masood. Tanwar also mentioning that there is no phone signal where ever Masood is because he wasn't answering him.
Edited by DRAPPLEdreamers1992, 8 Feb 2015, 01:16.
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Katie
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I'm sure one of the videos on the BBC website said the common is about a mile away.

Edit- It's in Charlie's interview, "As if I'd kill some random girl and dump her body less than a mile away from her own home". And the bus takes 16 minutes to get there.
Edited by Katie, 8 Feb 2015, 01:53.
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Interesting. It must be significant to one of the characters. Someone a while back suggested that Ben and Jay cut through the common to get back to Walford. Jay wasn't ever mentioned as seen on a bus following the one he got with Lucy. However we know for a fact that he returns to Albert square for the Fat boy video footage. If anyone knows the time for that video it'd be awesome as I'm stumped. I don't know where Ben went that night, maybe it was only him walking back through the common area alone? Who knows where Ben stayed that night. It makes sense that he lay low in the woods after the robbery, stumbled across Lucy's body or he at least assisted in helping another move it. Clutching at straws at a there a bit.
Edited by DRAPPLEdreamers1992, 8 Feb 2015, 02:13.
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I'd say Ben may have been staying at the common in the flats?

Apparently roxys party started after the pub closed at half 11 so that gives a little indication to the time of the video ish.
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8 Feb 2015, 14:06
I'd say Ben may have been staying at the common in the flats?

Apparently roxys party started after the pub closed at half 11 so that gives a little indication to the time of the video ish.
That can't be right. The house was packed when Jay, Lola, Dexter and Lauren went inside, well before 8.00. We saw them go in ages before Lucy first left the Square.
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Katie
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Wasn't Ben living in a hostel after leaving prison? I'd assumed he went back there.
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I could have sworn I read somewhere the party started after the pub closed! :S I'll have a think where I might have come up with that random info lol!
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I'm actually obsessed with this story to the point of embarrasment. I can't believe there's only 10 days left until the big reveal and flashback. I'm not ready.
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If both Lauren and Emma are aware of the killer and are willing to keep it a secret, it must be someone they're both close to. Max, Abi, Peter or Ian.

I'm thinking Peter.
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I can't remember who was in the top five I posted the other day, but currently it's

1- Peter
2- Jane
3- Abi
4- Whitney
5- Cindy

Bar Les and Pam, Cindy is literally the only suspect who hasn't behaved like one. Maybe she should be higher up my list.
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Peter's emotional breakdown could be explained by that he just then realised he might have killed her. Maybe prior to that he just knew he had caused her to get hurt somehow. That still wouldn't make it guaranteed to be him, though.
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Peter, Whitney or Denise.

Actually, I really don't know.

I'm still wanting to say Lola is involved.
Edited by NevermindMe, 8 Feb 2015, 18:13.
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Watching that scene of Ian telling Peter again, Peter's reaction is just suspect. First of all, he's in the pub with Lauren. At that point, he's still in a relationship with Lola - and Lola had remarked to Billy earlier when Ian came looking for Peter that Peter had returned late the previous night, very upset. That would mean that Lola was at home by the time Peter arrived, but she had been at the party earlier, because she features in Fatboy's video.

When Peter left the Beale house, after overhearing Lucy and Ian, no one knows where he went. Presumably, we'll see this in the flashback; but more importantly, the police have never actively pursued Peter's whereabouts or his alibi for that night - which is odd, because Peter and Ian would be the first people the police would want to eliminate from their investigation.

In a murder investigation of this sort, the police usually start from the inside and work out, basing their assumptions on the premise that murder victims tend to know the person who killed them and it's usually someone close to them. They knew of Ian's argument with Lucy and that Peter left after hearing a remark impugning him. The police would be all over both Ian and Peter like a bad rash. Instead, no one's ever questioned where Peter was that night.

Thinking back, his behaviour has been totally suspect from the beginning - he sought solace in Lauren's company, and that's something he'd been doing rather than face dumping Lola, after passive-aggressively bullying her for months; when Ian told him of Lucy's death, from the moment Ian appeared, upset, in the Vic, it as as if Peter had known Lucy had died. Afterward, there was the scene of him staying with her in the mortuary, and during Lauren's quest to find the cabdriver, Peter pounced on him immediately the man was about to tell Lauren something else. Finally, there are his outbursts at Ian in December, which came as a result of Jane's cack-handed interference, trying to get Ian to forgive Peter for supplying Lucy with drugs. Lauren got that right - in doing that, Peter was an enabler, and as an addict, Lauren didn't need someone like that in her life. The fact that Peter sought to "control" the amount of cocaine Lucy took also identifies him as a control freak - remember how he tried to "influence" Lola into a career change, only to result in her feeling low in her own self-worth?

Peter's behaviour towards Ian, blaming Ian for what happened to Lucy, is a convenient way to expatiate his own guilt in bringing about her death.

Another really weird thing about the Beales throughout this entire investigation is that it's as if they know the discovery of the killer is going to upset their dynamic irreparably. If you recall after Jake was arrested and had spoken to Phil and Sharon, those two believed his innocence. When the police told Ian that they didn't think Jake was the man in whom they were interested, both Ian and Peter were adamant that Jake was the suspect, even when Phil told him his suspicions that he was innocent, they didn't want to know. They seemed perfectly happy that a loner and a stranger like Jake be targeted as Lucy's killer.

Then, at times, they seemed to be working against the police, ranting and railing at Emma and Keeble every time they checked in to apprise them of their progress. When Denise found Lucy's purse and phone, especially when they discovered Ben had something to do with that, Ian wanted to contact the police, but Jane talked him out of it; and later when she lied to Phil about getting rid of the evidence, she didn't. She hid it within the Beale home.

I'm going with Peter; other than that, Jane did it and is trying to frame Ian.
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8 Feb 2015, 18:22
When Peter left the Beale house, after overhearing Lucy and Ian, no one knows where he went. Presumably, we'll see this in the flashback; but more importantly, the police have never actively pursued Peter's whereabouts or his alibi for that night - which is odd, because Peter and Ian would be the first people the police would want to eliminate from their investigation.
It looks like he went to buy drugs. Rather than going to get them for Lucy, it makes more sense to me that he was upset and wanted some for himself. It's a bit of a coincidence they were both at the common though, as last time the drug dealer came to Albert Square. I expect Lucy was taking drugs but I'm not convinced Peter wasn't.
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I think Peter's determination to catch the killer could be a sense of denial. He suspected Lucy died as a result of his actions, but couldn't understand how her body then ended up on the Common, so has spent months pointing the finger elsewhere- all the while trying to run.

I keep bringing it up, but let's not forget that since-forgotten phone call he made to Emma at Phil and Sharon's reception- after her speech about regret.

His several attempts to 'escape' also point at his guilt.

Dom said the reveal would be upsetting. It wasn't Lucy's fault Ian said she was his favourite. Having her die at Peter's hands as a result of what their father said would be extremely tragic.

I'm going with Ben and Jay taking Lucy's phone and purse to keep her quiet, Max thinking the fall killed her, Peter being the actual killer but repressing/denying it, and Jane covering it all up.
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I still think it was Jane but Peter has certainly shot up the suspects list and I've only watched sporadically in the last couple of weeks.

Neither Ian or Peter would deliberately kill Lucy in cold blood but could they commit an awful action in the heat of the moment and repress what had happened? Certainly.

I suspect that if Ian or Peter killed Lucy, then Emma met Jane at the park who was pleading their case. Jane is self-righteous and arrogant enough to think that she could completely control this situation, even a situation as serious as a young woman losing her life.

If Jane killed Lucy, I think Emma met Ben, who would help Jane in order to keep the truth from destroying Ian.

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