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Who Killed Lucy?; All the theories
Topic Started: 20 Apr 2014, 05:49 (367,756 Views)
Winters
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Mrs Peel
19 Feb 2015, 14:28
Winters
19 Feb 2015, 13:44
Well, it has almost got to be something that affects Peter and Lauren's relationship as it was pretty much created for this (it wasn't that interesting to begin with and didn't really come naturally). There has been tons of focus on them and the relationship this year, Lauren has been featured even more than Peter, and now it has been taken as far as possible and they're engaged with a child on the way.

I can't really make myself believe this has all been for nothing. Not to menion if it turned out to be someone like Cindy who we've hardly seen at all this year and no one could care less about. It makes sense it would affect Peter and Lauren the most, and their close families, as they're the ones we've seen the most of this year and have been the most emotional.

Lauren could have worked as well, though I don't think it is now. I think they're going for the maximum shock-factor. Falling from the Garden of Eden could apply to both Ian and Peter but with the circumstances now it looks more like it's Peter.
I'm just afraid it's going to be Bobby.
No, I can't see it working out logically in any other way. Bobby would be silly. It wouldn't change the square forever.

I didn't understand why Lauren was so important and has been featured almost more than the Beales this year but now I think she's just out to be the main tragic and injured party aside from Ian. It used to be Peter and Ian, but Peter is leaving now, so Lauren will take his place. She will be Ian's daughter in law in a way and the mother of his first grand child.

i.e. she will be a Beale from now on. And the Brannings are also dragged into it (also with Max and his role in it) and probably also the Mitchells with Ben and Jay. So it will have a lasting impact on Walford.
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19 Feb 2015, 14:42
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19 Feb 2015, 14:32
Jane looks like she is coming back in from the front door in the final scene last night. I wonder if she had been to her car.
She was letting Masood and Bobby out.
Most likely.
I wonder how Massod appears tonight and tomorrow then if he's at home with Bobby especially tomorrow as Bobby is not credited. I don't think there is any live main Vic scenes tonight as Tamwar is not live tweeting( Through they will be live scenes in the Vic toilets as that why Kim gives birth which we know is live)
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I don't think it's Bobby but it's funny that we will be in the flashback episode played by a different actor. Slightly awks.
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Maybe it is Lola as Janet is appearing tomorrow implying we will see scenes at Billy and Lola's flat. Lexi is too young to be credited.
Think we will have scenes at Roxy's house to so that Amy and Inetia can appear.
Bobby is in the live tomorrow so he could be a suspect.
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We're looking at a fake reveal then a real one in the flashback.. It could go many ways. I think perhaps the real killer won't be exposed, the fake one will.
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I also think the real killer will be a dark secret.
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Fehnder
19 Feb 2015, 15:18
We're looking at a fake reveal then a real one in the flashback.. It could go many ways. I think perhaps the real killer won't be exposed, the fake one will.
Yepp. I think the flashback will contradict the confession. We've been told to "watch until the end".
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I think it will be subtle. I can imagine it as a silent scene where we'll get a close-up of Peter's face, looking dodgy.
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Fehnder
19 Feb 2015, 15:18
We're looking at a fake reveal then a real one in the flashback.. It could go many ways. I think perhaps the real killer won't be exposed, the fake one will.
That's my thinking too. I'm pretty much expecting everyone to be pointing the finger at Jane by the end of the hour, with the flashback revealing who she's covering up for.

Mrs Patel Cindy.
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I missed the cast interviews on This Morning today, does anyone know where I can see them? It's not letting me watch them on the This Morning website for some reason.
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Is it not possible for (I'll use random names as examples) Jane to confess, she has been covering for peter the whole time and takes the blame completely allowing peter to live a normal life.

Peter believes it was him and allows Jane to take the blame.

In the flashback, Denise is seen as the actual killer secretly. So Denise knows she did it and no one else.

The murder is solved as Jane, Peter spends his life thinking it was him. Denise gets away with it.

(obviously the three people could be anyone in any combination)

Perhaps the killer went to get someone to help and in that moment Lucy regained consciousness and was genuinely finished off by someone else.

That would make it upsetting (believing you'd killed a family member assuming it's believed to be a beale) and a monster as someone had a motive, saw the opportunity to kill Lucy with no repercussions on them and did it.
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While watching last night and Friday’s episode with Dot and Nick, I was struck by how poetic Dots words were, Dot is the fitting narrator for any celebratory event, as she has the reputation for being a “better part” to all the other Eastender’s characters. So yes it was very unnerving to hear her admit that a prestigious person such as Dot is in fact easily capable of being “wicked”, when allowed to be under more poignant circumstances which are in need of wickedness. So she admits to Nick that she believes he is evil on Friday, she goes as far as to use the metaphor that Nick is a snake who was let into her more holy ideal style of living. And last night as she narrates over everyone we see that the narration is actually in time with each of the individual characters storyline. To give an example, when Dot recites the line about wickedness the camera has panned onto Phil conversing with Ben. Phil could’ve been about to rat his own son out to Ian. Some parents might call that blasphemous, no? Deciding to not put his son (the theoretically closest person in Phil’s life) first is a tepid ominous sign for us the audience. Even more strange is he WANTS to tell Ian something to redeem a situation... This is one example in the 30th anniversary which shows how much the times have changed! So I Just wanted to get out some banter about clues and symbolism and stuff in writing before tonight’s episodes are on air. So excited!

Cain and able
It is perhaps the most potent biblical tragedy between the closest of people. Save the betrayal of Judas/ Jesus. So I can see why a big majority of people (including me) are swayed to believing that Peter is responsible. It’s a favourite writing frame in soaps and melodrama. We have kind of seen this biblical inverted frame again in Eastender’s with the Ronnie and Danielle tragedy. Danielle was (in reality) actually the closest person to Ronnie, but because of Ronnie’s aloofness to Daniel it eventually conspired that this would be the Ronnie’s tragic hubris that would physically as well as mentally take her daughter who is her most “prised treasure” -so to speak- away from her.

However after Danielle’s death, Danielle’s existence was converted in Ronnie’s memory to that of a physical object. Danielle’s locket. This not an insult to Danielle but because you are likely prone to identify with the physical things more so than you would the abstract. Many people do when they are grieving, often a common characteristic is too refuse to delete their loved ones messages on the answer machine... So Ronnie carried her Locket around as a way of feeling close to her daughter. In the Lucy Beal storyline however, we can tells the story has been twisted in a more violent manor so Peter took cocaine on his birthday in order to feel closer to his twin.

A bit of evidence supporting this Cain and Abel theory is the hint last night that Peter might feel as he and Lucy were one and the same when Max corrected Abi assumption that Laurens mobile password was not only Peter’s birthday, but also that of Lucy’s. This is of course an example of Max’s frustration that he can never true escape that Lucy’s is the equivalent of a black hole for him in whilst living in Walford. A girl that has since branded Max’s reputation because of her long history on the square is now alternatively messing up Max’s future there. This calls back to when Max tried to destroy Emma’s evidence file after she died, because resorting to the Cain and the Abel dynamic, the person Max had now come closest too is dead. The tragedy still resides though that Emma had an obsession with someone who, Max, the villain had sinfully corrupted. To make matters worse for Max however Emma died in a way that eerily mirrors Lucy’s last moments on the square. Shall go back to this but in biblical terms Max is really the deceitful “snake” to Lucy Beal in Adam and Eve. No pun intended.

Of course there is also the Jewellery box to take into consideration. For being a “part” of Lucy. Quickly remember, Ian lost all sense when Cindy took Lucy’s jumper. He lost all rationality by pushing Cindy out of his home. Again, Cindy (and her non-biological roots) had corrupted the part of Lucy that Ian (a man assigned to the role of a father) had felt closest to. Though recently Cindy is seen to now be using Lucy’s jewellery box -in Tuesday’s episode- which (in the audiences and Ian’s mind) seems as though she is treating as if it were her own. I’m not positive what this foreshadows exactly... but I don’t think it can be good. If anything it drives a wedge between Cindy and Ian’s dynamic even more.

The jewellery box (as a whole) is important because it is the part of her that ironically is describing Lucy’s character through a realistic lens without the bias or judgement of any other character. It’s an object which portrays Lucy’s qualities in both a good and bad way, and above all else it volunteers the idea that the good side of people is a quality which should be treated with a lot of caution, because those good qualities can also bring out the bad qualities in that person. Remember that a younger more “innocent” version of Lucy doesn’t represent that modern day Lucy Beal as being good. To elaborate, the box’s original nature mirrored everything Lucy represented on the outside, a model daughter, a girl who was porcelain and pristine in all her actions. Ian considered Lucy to be exactly this, which Lucy hated more than anything about herself.

Interestingly for me, Max is actually written as the antithesis of Ian in his ways of parenting. I didn’t actually find the pairing of Lucy and Max to be that unrealistic. Neither father belonging to the Beal’s or the Branning’s is exactly perfect, but more than anything else, Lucy wanted to get away from everyone’s assumption that she was still the property of Ian Beal. The golden girl; so what does she do to prove this? As a result she sleeps with the one man in Walford who is the most apathetic, un-ambitious and nihilistic of them all. This is everything Ian is not. Just look at how Ian’s best intentions bring out the worst possible of outcomes. Jane has this in common with Lucy. She veiws Ian’s best traits to be his worst which is why when the idelyic groom plans their wedding Jane considers cancelling it because it screams “ill omen”.

Also owing to the tragedy aspect, yes Ian believes that Lucy is his favourite of all the children, and we naturally assume that this is due to Lucy following in Ian’s footsteps. But I don’t think that just because Lucy was Ian’s favourite that she was the one most like him. Lucy was like Cindy more than Ian, this is the misconception. And Peter, is actually a lot more like Ian than Lucy was. Peter’s effort to manipulate people and perhaps even emotionally blackmail people is a pathological trait he and Ian keep hidden. Whereas Lucy is more brash about her schemes and ironically more honest than the latter. Perhaps Peter realises this and is resenting Ian’s insensitivity when he doesn’t consider Peter worthy enough.

Other religious ideas are Abraham and Isaac. well. Ian seems to constantly sacrifice his family in order to get ahead. So who knows? Oh and David and Goliath.... in the sense that the small most unintentional knock or push can cause the most damage. The banana being squished under the stall could be a clue that Lucy slipped and hit her head because she was pushed? FYI in David and Golliath, David uses a slingshot to defeat the giant Goliath in the tale, but I doubt the character thought it would have such a great impact. (Then Max didn’t realise the impact sleeping with Lucy would’ve had on his life. And Dean didn’t realise the monumental repercussions of raping Linda) I mean just look at Janine warding the unattractive Barry away by accident over a cliff to his death.

Can’t really think of much else to say so will conclude that tonight will be EPIC and good luck to everyone who has a theory and has placed a bet, hope you enjoy it and get some dosh. :lol:
Edited by DRAPPLEdreamers1992, 19 Feb 2015, 16:28.
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With that theory also, it would mean a beale could accept the blame, have a big impact, be accepted as the killer in the eyes of however hears the confession.

However the real killer is the actual character tainted by murder. The real murderer could then be anyone, even a low impact character as it wouldn't be so much the aftermath of that character having done it. The aftermath would be as a beale did it.

But the audience would be going crazy knowing it was actually someone else who dared to act on impulse when discovering Lucy in a bad way (Whitney, Denise, Cindy etc)

Perhaps peter threw the jewellery box at her. Lucy needed medical attention. Peter left to get help, Denise crept down the stairs, bashed lucys head in. Jane arrives to help, believes peter smashed her head in and not the story he told her of chucking the box. Hides the body without telling peter the extent of lucys injuries..
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Maybe Jane is covering for Cindy, and Jane was the one who put the jewellery box under the tree for Cindy to kind of remind her how grateful she should be that she is covering for her.
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19 Feb 2015, 15:46
In the flashback, Denise is seen as the actual killer secretly. So Denise knows she did it and no one else.

The murder is solved as Jane, Peter spends his life thinking it was him. Denise gets away with it.

That would make it upsetting (believing you'd killed a family member assuming it's believed to be a beale) and a monster as someone had a motive, saw the opportunity to kill Lucy with no repercussions on them and did it.
This could also work, as the outcome would be the same, and it would be very tragic. Then Denise would be the monster and Peter would be seen in a more heroic light. That would suit the character more and make it easier to bring him back, but either way, I'm sure he will get the blame for it.

Also ocurred to me now, Peter would make the perfect scapegoat. He looks innocent and incapable of doing something like that. That is also an archetypical direction it could be taken in.

i.e. Lucy was killed on Good Friday (the death of the scapegoat).
Edited by Winters, 19 Feb 2015, 16:00.
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leobeast
19 Feb 2015, 15:39
I missed the cast interviews on This Morning today, does anyone know where I can see them? It's not letting me watch them on the This Morning website for some reason.
The episode is on ITV Player now, you just need to set an account up first.
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It would also explain peter waiting for Lucy in the pub. Jane would have said she would fix it, Peter to go wait it out elsewhere. But obviously when Jane got there Lucy was dead. Unexpectedly as she didn't think the altercation was too serious.

Jane would think peter did it, Peter would think chucking the jewelery box is what killed her and that he did it.
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Just a random stab in the dark rewatching Good Friday Ian says to Lucy "that's why I push you so hard...." Probably reading into it too much but you never know.
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Just reading the first page of this thread and seeing how bizarre our theories were from the start is amusing. I can't remember what we talked about before Lucy got killed - was it just Kathy returning, love and warmth and Salt?

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I still think it's one of the suspects highlighted in the New Years Day episode, they can't rob people (some literally) off like that. That ringtone message that went off was not a coincidence, that person has to be the murderer or at least covering for them...and hopefully it's not Bobby Beale.
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