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Who Killed Lucy?; All the theories
Topic Started: 20 Apr 2014, 05:49 (367,914 Views)
Mr Branning
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E20
2 May 2014, 21:13
Mr Branning
2 May 2014, 21:12
On that case file, it says the whereabouts of her mobile is unknown, but did they not use her phone to work out the fact she had been contacting her secret lover?
They found that out using her phone records, not her actual phone. :)
Ah OK, missed that bit, thanks.

Love the new trailer!
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2 May 2014, 21:13
Mr Branning
2 May 2014, 21:12
On that case file, it says the whereabouts of her mobile is unknown, but did they not use her phone to work out the fact she had been contacting her secret lover?
They found that out using her phone records, not her actual phone. :)
If they knew the messages were 'cladestine' though, surely there would be some clues as to who she was seeing? Any texts mentioning Lauren, the car lot, the business, etc.

It might be completely irrelevant but I'm wondering if the little Aleks/Jake/Tosh/Tina set-up will be involved in any way.

From yesterday's episode it seems Lucy was definitely dumped, so it would appear one person struck the blow and then someone else moved her body.
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Ross
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I thought the killer didn't know what had happened on the night Lucy died? If they did, it's impossible that her body had been moved. Or am I just being really stupid here? :D
Massive thanks to NickM for this wonderful signature! :)

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That's one thing that confuses me... if they can see her texts organising the sex sessions with Max, can't they see the text she got from the person she met up with that fateful night and track it to whoever owns the phone?
Edited by Bec, 2 May 2014, 22:07.
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Bec
2 May 2014, 22:07
That's one thing that confuses me... if they can see her texts organising the sex sessions with Max, can't they see the text she got from the person she met up with that fateful night and track it to whoever owns the phone?
The phone is pay as you gone, there is no way of tracing it... apparently, anyway.
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Bec
2 May 2014, 22:07
That's one thing that confuses me... if they can see her texts organising the sex sessions with Max, can't they see the text she got from the person she met up with that fateful night and track it to whoever owns the phone?
I think it was an email we saw her receive just before her death.
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But I'm not sure - the whole phone situation is quite confusing.
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2 May 2014, 22:10
Bec
2 May 2014, 22:07
That's one thing that confuses me... if they can see her texts organising the sex sessions with Max, can't they see the text she got from the person she met up with that fateful night and track it to whoever owns the phone?
The phone is pay as you gone, there is no way of tracing it... apparently, anyway.
I figured it was Max's phone that was pay as you go but I suppose other texts could be to pay as you go phones too, such as her dealer.
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soetmo
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If you sign up for PAYG under a fake name, with fake details, or buy a sim on the black market, then no, no tracing.
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Oh Soetmo, you sound like you know a lot about this....where were you the night Lucy died? ;)
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Soetmo
2 May 2014, 22:47
If you sign up for PAYG under a fake name, with fake details, or buy a sim on the black market, then no, no tracing.
I dont know how it is in the UK, but I sell Sim Cards, phone cards and phones. No ID or anything needed. They are just sold like a packet of chewing gum.
That last Facebook message, "nearly gave in today...." could that mean that she was trying to get off the Coke?

As yet, we still dont have a motive.

Can anyone remember if she was wearing her pink coat when we saw her last? It wasnt on her body.
Just livin' in perfect New Zealand!
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Ennui
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Soetmo
2 May 2014, 22:47
If you sign up for PAYG under a fake name, with fake details, or buy a sim on the black market, then no, no tracing.
Depends how you pay for it. For example, if you've ever bought a top up card using your bank card you can be traced.
You can't just come bounding in here like John Wayne on a Spacehopper!

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3 May 2014, 00:13
Soetmo
2 May 2014, 22:47
If you sign up for PAYG under a fake name, with fake details, or buy a sim on the black market, then no, no tracing.
Depends how you pay for it. For example, if you've ever bought a top up card using your bank card you can be traced.
Of course! Very good point :)
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Mr Carter
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If the sim was unregistered and paid by cash then no you cannot trace it and Lucy and Max most likely strictly kept it brief and not personal, with maybe even nicknames so nobody susses them out.
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soetmo
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The police will be able to see by looking though the CCTV hard drive that files have been deleted. Foolish move.
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Mr Carter
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True, however not sure if it will get to that point? What he should do is destroy the whole computer and replace it with a new one.
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soetmo
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The police would be able to see it was a new computer though. He should have just kept it on there. There was nothing incriminating in the footage.
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Yes but that's easily explained by saying the computer packed up or water "accidentally" fell on it so he had to replace it. They can't really prove that. The only thing would be against him is that it occurred after her death but the again he could just say it was a "coincidence".
Edited by Mr Carter, 3 May 2014, 12:10.
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Hi, I'm David, a new member here.

The PAYG SIM point is interesting, you can buy them quite easily. However, I thought you normally had to register with your provider to use them, but I don't know how rigorous the checks are. It maybe possible to get pre registered and pre-paid ones on the black market. The advance spoilers certainly mentioned Lucy receiving an email arranging to meet her, although from the actual scene it was not clear.

It is still very early and I'm sure there will be lots of twists over the next ten months. At the moment, the suspects seem to be either friends, family or newcomers. There don't really seem to be any credible cold-blooded murderers amongst friends and family who would do it, so attention has turned to dodgy newcomers like Les, Jake, Aleks and Charlie who we don't know much about. Danny would be credible if he re-appears and there is always the ghost of Nick.

I think Ronnie is a real possibility, she murdered Carl and appears to have got away with it, she will probably eventually get her comeuppance and it could be after further murders. So far, there doesn't seem to be a motive, unless it is connected to Stacey's key, being kept by Lauren, which could be connected to Danielle.

Here's something I posted on another forum, just a thought (I know she's already been mentioned here).

Who might the Eastenders producers pick to be the murderer in a mystery? Who could they build a credible story around and yet no one would ever suspect them? Who better than Pam Coker? She likes to be at the centre of things and appears to have a heart of gold. However, she is married to the local undertaker and a dodgy one at that, perhaps just a little creepy. Also, she sells flowers and seems to keep a good stock of lilies (associated with death). Perhaps she has a dark side. Does she have a motive? Not an obvious one. Her home in Spring Lane was apparently demolished; Ian, Lucy’s father, became the face of the campaign to save Walford Market and consequently close Spring Lane. Does she hold a grudge? Perhaps a little weak. Maybe further secrets will be revealed.

So does Pam Coker appear in the “There’s a killer amongst them” video group picture? Why yes, there she is right in the centre of the first row! The place of prominence, if it were a wedding group, she’d be the bride! How could we have missed her? Was DTC having a little laugh here? So far, most bookies have not even bothered put odds on her.

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Professor Plum
2 May 2014, 23:52
Soetmo
2 May 2014, 22:47
If you sign up for PAYG under a fake name, with fake details, or buy a sim on the black market, then no, no tracing.
I dont know how it is in the UK, but I sell Sim Cards, phone cards and phones. No ID or anything needed. They are just sold like a packet of chewing gum.
That last Facebook message, "nearly gave in today...." could that mean that she was trying to get off the Coke?

As yet, we still dont have a motive.

Can anyone remember if she was wearing her pink coat when we saw her last? It wasnt on her body.
No, her pink coat is hanging up, ian sees it after being told lucy is dead.

I suppose in the technological times we live in, there are many ways to send a message to someone. Text being obvious, but also emails, messaging apps, even games have a message function.

I do wonder if we're supposed to accept these messages are from max due to their "clandestine" nature leading max to believe its him and then confess. Just because surely the content of the messages would reveal things like the places they met up, perhaps hotel details etc. Keeping an affair secret is one thing, but keeping all evidence from police after death? Who wouldn't have even some detail that would enable the police to point to max?

These "clandestine" meetings could be Danny, or someone she is gettong drugs from or anything.
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Max just doesn't want people finding out about his and Lucy's fling. That's all.
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