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Who Killed Lucy?; All the theories
Topic Started: 20 Apr 2014, 05:49 (367,913 Views)
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Soetmo
3 May 2014, 14:31
Max just doesn't want people finding out about his and Lucy's fling. That's all.
I disagree slightly. If that was all they would have just shown him kissing Lucy in the CCTV footage. Instead, they made a point of showing the footage where he grabbed her. Max is no killer, but he's well aware that he could be implicated in Lucy's death.

It's only a matter of time before he's arrested. Once they find blood traces in the car lot and realise he deleted the footage then he'll be firmly in the frame.
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Whoever dumped her body and stole her phone is not the person who killed her, I'm pretty sure.
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3 May 2014, 13:12
Hi, I'm David, a new member here.

The PAYG SIM point is interesting, you can buy them quite easily. However, I thought you normally had to register with your provider to use them, but I don't know how rigorous the checks are. It maybe possible to get pre registered and pre-paid ones on the black market. The advance spoilers certainly mentioned Lucy receiving an email arranging to meet her, although from the actual scene it was not clear.

It is still very early and I'm sure there will be lots of twists over the next ten months. At the moment, the suspects seem to be either friends, family or newcomers. There don't really seem to be any credible cold-blooded murderers amongst friends and family who would do it, so attention has turned to dodgy newcomers like Les, Jake, Aleks and Charlie who we don't know much about. Danny would be credible if he re-appears and there is always the ghost of Nick.

I think Ronnie is a real possibility, she murdered Carl and appears to have got away with it, she will probably eventually get her comeuppance and it could be after further murders. So far, there doesn't seem to be a motive, unless it is connected to Stacey's key, being kept by Lauren, which could be connected to Danielle.

Here's something I posted on another forum, just a thought (I know she's already been mentioned here).

Who might the Eastenders producers pick to be the murderer in a mystery? Who could they build a credible story around and yet no one would ever suspect them? Who better than Pam Coker? She likes to be at the centre of things and appears to have a heart of gold. However, she is married to the local undertaker and a dodgy one at that, perhaps just a little creepy. Also, she sells flowers and seems to keep a good stock of lilies (associated with death). Perhaps she has a dark side. Does she have a motive? Not an obvious one. Her home in Spring Lane was apparently demolished; Ian, Lucy’s father, became the face of the campaign to save Walford Market and consequently close Spring Lane. Does she hold a grudge? Perhaps a little weak. Maybe further secrets will be revealed.

So does Pam Coker appear in the “There’s a killer amongst them” video group picture? Why yes, there she is right in the centre of the first row! The place of prominence, if it were a wedding group, she’d be the bride! How could we have missed her? Was DTC having a little laugh here? So far, most bookies have not even bothered put odds on her.

They are plenty pointing the finger at Pam. Me included. Pam or Shabz.
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MrJames
3 May 2014, 15:06
Whoever dumped her body and stole her phone is not the person who killed her, I'm pretty sure.
I agree. We should also find out who she arranged to meet this week, which will be interesting. Whoever it is can almost certainly be ruled out. What confuses me though is that bar the odd suspicious look from Jake, Abi, Whitney etc no one seems to have any clear guilt. I suppose that's the downside of actors not knowing who the killer is.

Are we sure that the culprit doesn't know they're responsible? The original press release was very vague- 'No one knows exactly what happened to Lucy on the night she died except very few people- even the person responsible.' If they're still unaware, I wonder what will make them realise, and if they do know by now I think it's someone who has hardly been seen, like Abi or Ronnie.
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I think what has been rather effective is we've had other emotions which could be masqueraded as guilt. The Beale's grief, Max's secret, Sharon's discomfort. Plus, there has been a whole heap of characters absent since the death episode - Ronnie, Roxy, Abi, Charlie. I think those characters are absolutely vital.
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we've still got 9 months of it....they aren't going to be giving the game away too soon. Anyone wonder if it's going to get tedious and if they will put in many story lines in the meanwhile that have no link to this at all?
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3 May 2014, 14:47
Soetmo
3 May 2014, 14:31
Max just doesn't want people finding out about his and Lucy's fling. That's all.
I disagree slightly. If that was all they would have just shown him kissing Lucy in the CCTV footage. Instead, they made a point of showing the footage where he grabbed her. Max is no killer, but he's well aware that he could be implicated in Lucy's death.

It's only a matter of time before he's arrested. Once they find blood traces in the car lot and realise he deleted the footage then he'll be firmly in the frame.
I agree with Soetmo, which is why Max deleted the CCTV footage. It wouldn't take rocket science for anyone viewing that clip to assume (rightly) that there was something of an illict nature going on between Max and Lucy. Their very body language spoke volumes. This was totally a woman binning a man.

Of course, Max doesn't want to be implicated in Lucy's murder, but he also doesn't want his daughter to find out he was shagging her BFF.
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Totally. He definitely doesn't want Lauren to find out, and I think he's also giving a thought to Carol, and the stress for her.
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Here's my questions which I think might be key to uncovering the mystery. Ronnie seems central to quite a few!

We know from Roxy that Ronnie had an 'encounter' with a man in Ibiza. The one she threatened with a broken bottle. It turned out he was an off duty cop. Ronnie was carted away, only to turn up the next day obviously relieved but insisting she, Roxy and Amy returned to London straight away.

She told Roxy she threatened this guy because he made a move on her. Or was he on to her about something else? Who was this mystery man?

It's fairly obvious that Nick Cotton's death has been faked. But why? Has he been put into witness protection? is it some life insurance fraud and Charlie is now posing as Nick's son to inherit?

Ronnie was at Dot's house when Charlie turned up with the police officer to tell Dot Nick had died. She's had a connection to Charlie ever since. Is Ronnie involved in this scam somehow?

Why give Ronnie and Charlie two short and seemingly meaningless scenes together in the episode of Lucy's murder?

Should we read anything into Lucy's admission to Lee that she would like to disappear? What did she have in mind when she told Max she was going to start being a good person?

Who was Lucy last in contact with as she left the Square for the last time?

What is Stacey's key for and who did she call about it before she was arrested?

Why did the writers decide to put Whitney, Lola, Peter and Ronnie through the emotional wringer in the episodes leading up to Lucy's death?

What's the significance of Lucy telling her dad to get his eyes tested in one of the episode before he dies?

What is Aleks and Ronnie's connection? He was the first character she encounter on her return. They've had lots of little scenes since which seem to go nowhere fast.

Who was Lucy's cocaine dealer?

Dominic TC has told us that he's interested in telling the story of how Ronnie turns into an out and out villain. What more will that involve for her character?

On the night of Lucy's death, Lee wasn't at the party the whole time. Where was he? Where was Whitney? Where was Abi?

Ian wasn't at the restaurant all night. Where was he? Where was Peter?

Did Lucy have a hidden connection to Jake? We know that she and Max started sleeping together after he helped her with the the business. What happened between her and Jake after he helped her create the website for the business?

Who saw Lucy and Max together?

Sure there will be more!
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4 May 2014, 07:37
Here's my questions which I think might be key to uncovering the mystery. Ronnie seems central to quite a few!


And here are my guesses, based on my being a fan of Agatha Christie as well as DTC is also:-

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We know from Roxy that Ronnie had an 'encounter' with a man in Ibiza. The one she threatened with a broken bottle. It turned out he was an off duty cop. Ronnie was carted away, only to turn up the next day obviously relieved but insisting she, Roxy and Amy returned to London straight away.

She told Roxy she threatened this guy because he made a move on her. Or was he on to her about something else? Who was this mystery man?


I think this mystery man was who he said he was - an off-duty cop. I think what happened between him and Ronnie was intentional on Ronnie's part - object? To get them deported and to go back to Walford. Buy why? Ronnie had Phil's money she had taken off Carl. She also, presumably, had been through Carl's effects he had on his body - like his phone, which she left at Phil's - and perhaps she had the contact number of his supplier. She knew Carl was a dealer. Perhaps Carl was Lucy's dealer. She would also know that a backstreet boxing club would be the perfect front for money laundering via pushing cocaine. Ronnie is completely without morals now and would sell drugs to anyone who wasn't a Mitchell. Don't forget, also, that Roxy said Ronnie spent all her time in the hotel room, never venturing out until the night of that incident. Whilst Roxy was out with Amy, Ronnie could have made contact with Charlie. Also, Ronnie arrived back in Walford after Roxy had arrived. She could have met up with Charlie on the way. BTW, Charlie, I think, is Carl's supplier.

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It's fairly obvious that Nick Cotton's death has been faked. But why? Has he been put into witness protection? is it some life insurance fraud and Charlie is now posing as Nick's son to inherit?


I don't think Nick even knows about this. I think "Charlie" had to get a big shipment of cocaine to Ronnie to sell, and the best way to do this undetected was to transport it in a coffin. Maybe Ronnie thought of this idea, and she would certainly have known the story of Dot and Nick, from Jack, who was Dot's favourite stepson. Figuring he'd been gone for years from Walford and after his last pathetic siege performance, wouldn't return, they concocted the plan. I do think the body in the box was someone late of Walford, however: Ryan Molloy, and this is where Stacey's key comes in.

I also don't think Les or Pam Coker have anything more to do with this other than Charlie coercing Les into burying a body who wasn't who he said it was and allowing cocaine to be stored in the coffin. Also, Ronnie would have known that the best way for "Charlie" to get on Dot's good side was to say he was a relative - Nick's son. I also don't think Pauline McLynn's character is "Charlie's" mother either.

Dot has no money, and Nick isn't the sort to take out life insurance. This is all about drugs. Ronnie was, at the time of Lucy's death, her dealer.

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Ronnie was at Dot's house when Charlie turned up with the police officer to tell Dot Nick had died. She's had a connection to Charlie ever since. Is Ronnie involved in this scam somehow?


In a word, yes. And she most likely had a connection with Charlie prior to this. Note the way she responded to him when he saw her in the street, before getting into the car with Les, asking her for a drink. She was positive. I did think she was the person he'd phoned to say "It's done" re having paid Les Coker, but I think now that may have been Yvonne.

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Why give Ronnie and Charlie two short and seemingly meaningless scenes together in the episode of Lucy's murder?


They killed her. My bet is that Lucy was killed at the boxing club and her body moved to the Common. Ronnie already has form in that sort of stuff, and she already had form in taking the phone off a person she'd killed. Psychopaths who are killers often take trophies from their victims. The two scenes in the pub were essential - first, they establish that Ronnie and Charlie were in the pub and were seen in the pub. Ronnie quite pointedly asked Charlie if Phil were there, then reiterated that she was looking for Phil. Charlie asked her for a drink, and they flirted. In the second scene, she is leaving and smiles at him. He follows her out of the pub. That's the alibi, if one is needed - that they were shagging each other that evening. Ronnie obviously wasn't at Roxy's party, where she should have been; she was seen in the pub, seeking Phil, then left. Charlie folllowed. If anyone asks, they were shagging.

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Should we read anything into Lucy's admission to Lee that she would like to disappear? What did she have in mind when she told Max she was going to start being a good person?


Maybe she owed money to Ronnie. My guess is that Lucy was going to try to turn over a new leaf, starting with ditching the drugs and being more understanding toward her father.

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Who was Lucy last in contact with as she left the Square for the last time?


Ronnie.

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What is Stacey's key for and who did she call about it before she was arrested?


The key looked as if it were a key either to a trunk or to a safe deposit box. I would think that Stacey has maintained some sort of contact with Ryan Molloy. She has his daughter, after all. Ryan was a dealer, himself. Maybe he dealt for Charlie. Maybe Ryan stole some of the profits from Charlie, along with a cache of the drug and was seeking to deal directly. Keeping a low profile to avoid Charlie and Yvonne, he sent the key to Stacey and asked her to keep it. He's got a bundle of money stashed away, and that's Stacey's insurance for Lily, should anything happen to Ryan. Of course, it's Charlie's money, so he's going to want to know where it is and whom Molloy may have contacted to keep the dosh safe. Don't forget that Ronnie would know all about the Stacey-Ryan connection, which puts a whole new colour on why she wanted Stacey in Walford and not in prison for killing Archie.

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Why did the writers decide to put Whitney, Lola, Peter and Ronnie through the emotional wringer in the episodes leading up to Lucy's death?


Ronnie? The others are red herrings, especially Whitney and Peter.

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What's the significance of Lucy telling her dad to get his eyes tested in one of the episode before he dies?


Good question. Let's see if Ian does so.

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What is Aleks and Ronnie's connection? He was the first character she encounter on her return. They've had lots of little scenes since which seem to go nowhere fast.


We know Aleks beat Adam White up for Ronnie. We know she probably threatened him when she demanded he stop seeing Roxy, so Aleks knows she's a nutter and dangerous, but he showed a certain fearlessness in coming back to Roxy for more. I think he genuinely likes Roxy. He's also warned Jake off Ronnie. I think Jake will be a victim of Ronnie's, and I think Aleks will be instrumental in discovering that Ronnie killed Carl,Lucy and Jake.

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Who was Lucy's cocaine dealer?


First Carl, then Ronnie.

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Dominic TC has told us that he's interested in telling the story of how Ronnie turns into an out and out villain. What more will that involve for her character?


Michael Moon called it before he died. She's a psychopath. Psycopaths are incapable of empathy. They can give a good impression of empathy. especially with people over whom they obsess. Ronnie obsesses over Roxy, and - to a lesser extent - to any blonde Mitchell girl of a certain age. Her publicity blurb says she will destroy lives. Well, if she killed Lucy, think of the number of lives, including within her own family,on whom that death will impact. By making her a villain, she's got a shelf-life now, and it's not a long one.

Three women have killed men on the Square, and only one was justified in doing what she did - Janine, because that was pure self-defence, and it was made obvious that Michael had been planning to kill her. I think the message got through to DTC that people were uncomfortable with seeing Stacey murder in cold blood and walk away without remorse, then return as if nothing had happened. He's had her contrition written into the plot, along with her confession to clear Bradley's name. This is her redemption.

Ronnie, however, will simply not be allowed to get away with murder scot-free. Her comeuppance will be the murder of Lucy, whom I do believe she killed, and she will kill again. They won't allow two separate murderers to be roaming around in two storylines throughout the year. To use a bad pun, that would be "overkill."

If DTC had the guts to do this, he'd have the perfect ending for the Blisters as a psychopath and her obsession. The ultimate pejorative act of control over another person is rape. That's why Archie raped Ronnie. It's why prisoners are raped in prison. The ultimate end for the Blisters would be to have Ronnie rape Roxy (because part of her control obsession is sexual) and for Roxy to kill Ronnie. But that won't happen. Boy, would that get people talking about EastEnders.

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On the night of Lucy's death, Lee wasn't at the party the whole time. Where was he? Where was Whitney? Where was Abi?


Lee was shagging Whitney. They re-connected. Abi is a red herring. She was, most likely, revising.

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Ian wasn't at the restaurant all night. Where was he? Where was Peter?


Ian was sniffing after Jane. Peter was sulking.

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Did Lucy have a hidden connection to Jake? We know that she and Max started sleeping together after he helped her with the the business. What happened between her and Jake after he helped her create the website for the business?


Lucy whored herself to the highest bidder. Jake set up a website and promised her dinner. Max gave her 1000 quid and a promise. She was due to see Jake that night, but stood him up to even the account with Max.

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Who saw Lucy and Max together?


Jake. That picture was Jake's statement to Max that Max had no right to take the moral high ground with him and Lauren.

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Sure there will be more!


In Agatha Christie, around 3/4 of the way into the story, there's a surprise twist. Also, her murderer is always the person least likeliest to have done the deed. Forget about Abi, and consider that the Mitchells haven't even figured into this. My guess is that Lucy's phone is somewhere in Phil Mitchell's house and that some of the blood on the boxing club's floor belongs to Lucy.

Read "The Murder of Roger Ackroyd" by Christie. That's what this is taken from.


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I'm not sure I want this soap turning into Midsommer murders though. I hope it's not 9 months of wry glances, suspicious looks, shifty body language from everyone.
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In a way, the fling reminded me a bit of Den and Zoe, Lucy wanted to end it, but Max was happy to continue. Lucy and Lauren have always been friends, but I didnt think they were as close as they ended up. That seemed a bit forced to me.

I dont think the majority of the phone calls she got were from Max, I think they were from her dealer. Thats either Jake or Danny. I think Danny. Does anyone know if hes still under contract?
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Mrs Peel
4 May 2014, 18:42
Markus
4 May 2014, 07:37
Here's my questions which I think might be key to uncovering the mystery. Ronnie seems central to quite a few!


And here are my guesses, based on my being a fan of Agatha Christie as well as DTC is also:-

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We know from Roxy that Ronnie had an 'encounter' with a man in Ibiza. The one she threatened with a broken bottle. It turned out he was an off duty cop. Ronnie was carted away, only to turn up the next day obviously relieved but insisting she, Roxy and Amy returned to London straight away.

She told Roxy she threatened this guy because he made a move on her. Or was he on to her about something else? Who was this mystery man?


I think this mystery man was who he said he was - an off-duty cop. I think what happened between him and Ronnie was intentional on Ronnie's part - object? To get them deported and to go back to Walford. Buy why? Ronnie had Phil's money she had taken off Carl. She also, presumably, had been through Carl's effects he had on his body - like his phone, which she left at Phil's - and perhaps she had the contact number of his supplier. She knew Carl was a dealer. Perhaps Carl was Lucy's dealer. She would also know that a backstreet boxing club would be the perfect front for money laundering via pushing cocaine. Ronnie is completely without morals now and would sell drugs to anyone who wasn't a Mitchell. Don't forget, also, that Roxy said Ronnie spent all her time in the hotel room, never venturing out until the night of that incident. Whilst Roxy was out with Amy, Ronnie could have made contact with Charlie. Also, Ronnie arrived back in Walford after Roxy had arrived. She could have met up with Charlie on the way. BTW, Charlie, I think, is Carl's supplier.

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It's fairly obvious that Nick Cotton's death has been faked. But why? Has he been put into witness protection? is it some life insurance fraud and Charlie is now posing as Nick's son to inherit?


I don't think Nick even knows about this. I think "Charlie" had to get a big shipment of cocaine to Ronnie to sell, and the best way to do this undetected was to transport it in a coffin. Maybe Ronnie thought of this idea, and she would certainly have known the story of Dot and Nick, from Jack, who was Dot's favourite stepson. Figuring he'd been gone for years from Walford and after his last pathetic siege performance, wouldn't return, they concocted the plan. I do think the body in the box was someone late of Walford, however: Ryan Molloy, and this is where Stacey's key comes in.

I also don't think Les or Pam Coker have anything more to do with this other than Charlie coercing Les into burying a body who wasn't who he said it was and allowing cocaine to be stored in the coffin. Also, Ronnie would have known that the best way for "Charlie" to get on Dot's good side was to say he was a relative - Nick's son. I also don't think Pauline McLynn's character is "Charlie's" mother either.

Dot has no money, and Nick isn't the sort to take out life insurance. This is all about drugs. Ronnie was, at the time of Lucy's death, her dealer.

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Ronnie was at Dot's house when Charlie turned up with the police officer to tell Dot Nick had died. She's had a connection to Charlie ever since. Is Ronnie involved in this scam somehow?


In a word, yes. And she most likely had a connection with Charlie prior to this. Note the way she responded to him when he saw her in the street, before getting into the car with Les, asking her for a drink. She was positive. I did think she was the person he'd phoned to say "It's done" re having paid Les Coker, but I think now that may have been Yvonne.

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Why give Ronnie and Charlie two short and seemingly meaningless scenes together in the episode of Lucy's murder?


They killed her. My bet is that Lucy was killed at the boxing club and her body moved to the Common. Ronnie already has form in that sort of stuff, and she already had form in taking the phone off a person she'd killed. Psychopaths who are killers often take trophies from their victims. The two scenes in the pub were essential - first, they establish that Ronnie and Charlie were in the pub and were seen in the pub. Ronnie quite pointedly asked Charlie if Phil were there, then reiterated that she was looking for Phil. Charlie asked her for a drink, and they flirted. In the second scene, she is leaving and smiles at him. He follows her out of the pub. That's the alibi, if one is needed - that they were shagging each other that evening. Ronnie obviously wasn't at Roxy's party, where she should have been; she was seen in the pub, seeking Phil, then left. Charlie folllowed. If anyone asks, they were shagging.

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Should we read anything into Lucy's admission to Lee that she would like to disappear? What did she have in mind when she told Max she was going to start being a good person?


Maybe she owed money to Ronnie. My guess is that Lucy was going to try to turn over a new leaf, starting with ditching the drugs and being more understanding toward her father.

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Who was Lucy last in contact with as she left the Square for the last time?


Ronnie.

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What is Stacey's key for and who did she call about it before she was arrested?


The key looked as if it were a key either to a trunk or to a safe deposit box. I would think that Stacey has maintained some sort of contact with Ryan Molloy. She has his daughter, after all. Ryan was a dealer, himself. Maybe he dealt for Charlie. Maybe Ryan stole some of the profits from Charlie, along with a cache of the drug and was seeking to deal directly. Keeping a low profile to avoid Charlie and Yvonne, he sent the key to Stacey and asked her to keep it. He's got a bundle of money stashed away, and that's Stacey's insurance for Lily, should anything happen to Ryan. Of course, it's Charlie's money, so he's going to want to know where it is and whom Molloy may have contacted to keep the dosh safe. Don't forget that Ronnie would know all about the Stacey-Ryan connection, which puts a whole new colour on why she wanted Stacey in Walford and not in prison for killing Archie.

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Why did the writers decide to put Whitney, Lola, Peter and Ronnie through the emotional wringer in the episodes leading up to Lucy's death?


Ronnie? The others are red herrings, especially Whitney and Peter.

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What's the significance of Lucy telling her dad to get his eyes tested in one of the episode before he dies?


Good question. Let's see if Ian does so.

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What is Aleks and Ronnie's connection? He was the first character she encounter on her return. They've had lots of little scenes since which seem to go nowhere fast.


We know Aleks beat Adam White up for Ronnie. We know she probably threatened him when she demanded he stop seeing Roxy, so Aleks knows she's a nutter and dangerous, but he showed a certain fearlessness in coming back to Roxy for more. I think he genuinely likes Roxy. He's also warned Jake off Ronnie. I think Jake will be a victim of Ronnie's, and I think Aleks will be instrumental in discovering that Ronnie killed Carl,Lucy and Jake.

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Who was Lucy's cocaine dealer?


First Carl, then Ronnie.

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Dominic TC has told us that he's interested in telling the story of how Ronnie turns into an out and out villain. What more will that involve for her character?


Michael Moon called it before he died. She's a psychopath. Psycopaths are incapable of empathy. They can give a good impression of empathy. especially with people over whom they obsess. Ronnie obsesses over Roxy, and - to a lesser extent - to any blonde Mitchell girl of a certain age. Her publicity blurb says she will destroy lives. Well, if she killed Lucy, think of the number of lives, including within her own family,on whom that death will impact. By making her a villain, she's got a shelf-life now, and it's not a long one.

Three women have killed men on the Square, and only one was justified in doing what she did - Janine, because that was pure self-defence, and it was made obvious that Michael had been planning to kill her. I think the message got through to DTC that people were uncomfortable with seeing Stacey murder in cold blood and walk away without remorse, then return as if nothing had happened. He's had her contrition written into the plot, along with her confession to clear Bradley's name. This is her redemption.

Ronnie, however, will simply not be allowed to get away with murder scot-free. Her comeuppance will be the murder of Lucy, whom I do believe she killed, and she will kill again. They won't allow two separate murderers to be roaming around in two storylines throughout the year. To use a bad pun, that would be "overkill."

If DTC had the guts to do this, he'd have the perfect ending for the Blisters as a psychopath and her obsession. The ultimate pejorative act of control over another person is rape. That's why Archie raped Ronnie. It's why prisoners are raped in prison. The ultimate end for the Blisters would be to have Ronnie rape Roxy (because part of her control obsession is sexual) and for Roxy to kill Ronnie. But that won't happen. Boy, would that get people talking about EastEnders.

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On the night of Lucy's death, Lee wasn't at the party the whole time. Where was he? Where was Whitney? Where was Abi?


Lee was shagging Whitney. They re-connected. Abi is a red herring. She was, most likely, revising.

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Ian wasn't at the restaurant all night. Where was he? Where was Peter?


Ian was sniffing after Jane. Peter was sulking.

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Did Lucy have a hidden connection to Jake? We know that she and Max started sleeping together after he helped her with the the business. What happened between her and Jake after he helped her create the website for the business?


Lucy whored herself to the highest bidder. Jake set up a website and promised her dinner. Max gave her 1000 quid and a promise. She was due to see Jake that night, but stood him up to even the account with Max.

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Who saw Lucy and Max together?


Jake. That picture was Jake's statement to Max that Max had no right to take the moral high ground with him and Lauren.

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Sure there will be more!


In Agatha Christie, around 3/4 of the way into the story, there's a surprise twist. Also, her murderer is always the person least likeliest to have done the deed. Forget about Abi, and consider that the Mitchells haven't even figured into this. My guess is that Lucy's phone is somewhere in Phil Mitchell's house and that some of the blood on the boxing club's floor belongs to Lucy.

Read "The Murder of Roger Ackroyd" by Christie. That's what this is taken from.


Although I wasn't initially keen with the idea of Ronnie being Lucy's killer, after reading this I hope she is. Wonderful theory, well done! :)
Massive thanks to NickM for this wonderful signature! :)

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Nice theory, Mrs Peel, if veeeery convoluted. My question to you is simple: How would EE summarise all of those events and story links in the course of normal soap opera?
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I love the idea of everything weaving together and it all pointing to Ronnie, but it just doesn't seem to fit with the tone of the story and how it has been described. Same thing with the Les/Pam theory.
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Why wouldn't it fit with the tone? DTC is a self-proclaimed fan of Agatha Christie. Anyone who's read any of her books knows that, after the murder which prompts the investigation, several seemingly disparate threads are established, if not already existent. On face value, nothing looks like it connects or is even related to the murder. Interviews with people around the deceased are as much character studies as anything else. If you don't find anything out about the murder victim, you do find out how other people perceived the person who died. In the middle of the piece, there's usually another death, and then you find that a death which occurred before any of this action took place is somehow related as well.

And the culprit in a Christie novel is usually someone the reader would never have imagined having anything to do with the killing because there was no reason ... at first sight.

Three-quarters of the way into the story, Christie provides an unexpected twist (which DTC has promised around Christmas) whereby the threads begin to be all tied together.

Carl, Carl's profession, Carl's death, Stacey's key, the body in the box, "Charlie" ... they're all related to Lucy's murder and the person who murdered her.

Whoever killed Lucy Beale is leaving Walford on the night of the 30th either in a police van or in a box.

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Bec
4 May 2014, 22:40
Nice theory, Mrs Peel, if veeeery convoluted. My question to you is simple: How would EE summarise all of those events and story links in the course of normal soap opera?
I am no fan of DTC, but like him, I am a Christie nut. If anyone is capable of weaving such a thread, it's he. If he's doing what I think he is doing, this will far outstrip the 25th Anniversary episode.

Get some Christie novels and start reading. Another thing she does that he's doing is drop subtle hints along the way. If people don't understand where he's coming from with this storyline, of course, it will go over everyone's head.

Not only is this a murder mystery, it's also a character study of most of the main players in Walford.
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Mrs Peel
4 May 2014, 23:13
Why wouldn't it fit with the tone? DTC is a self-proclaimed fan of Agatha Christie. Anyone who's read any of her books knows that, after the murder which prompts the investigation, several seemingly disparate threads are established, if not already existent. On face value, nothing looks like it connects or is even related to the murder. Interviews with people around the deceased are as much character studies as anything else. If you don't find anything out about the murder victim, you do find out how other people perceived the person who died. In the middle of the piece, there's usually another death, and then you find that a death which occurred before any of this action took place is somehow related as well.

And the culprit in a Christie novel is usually someone the reader would never have imagined having anything to do with the killing because there was no reason ... at first sight.

Three-quarters of the way into the story, Christie provides an unexpected twist (which DTC has promised around Christmas) whereby the threads begin to be all tied together.

Carl, Carl's profession, Carl's death, Stacey's key, the body in the box, "Charlie" ... they're all related to Lucy's murder and the person who murdered her.

Whoever killed Lucy Beale is leaving Walford on the night of the 30th either in a police van or in a box.

DTC said that the entire story is rooted in truth, reality and the killer will makes total sense.

As brilliant as it would be, Ronnie killing a young girl she has never interacted with as a result of a high-scale drugs business which involves faking the death of a local elderly pensioner's son, doesn't scream truth, reality and sense.
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My first thougths were Ronnie but I didnt know how to stick it all together.

I play with other ideas, but my gut says Ronnie.
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After reading everything that Mrs. Peel/VirginiaDem has written on the subject, I'm starting to believe that Ronnie probably will be Lucy's killer also. I wonder if her skull was smashed in with a trunk ala Carl White? Ronnie was bound to break. She lost a daughter and two sons and also was indirectly responsible for the abortion of her grandson.

Also, did Lucy have an autopsy done yet? If not, wouldn't it be an even bigger twist that Lucy had been pregnant at the time of her death? Who is the father? Lee or Max? How would Linda and Mick have reacted to the loss of a possible grandchild? Max missed out on Kirsty and his baby so it might even hit home more for him.
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