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| Who Killed Lucy?; All the theories | |
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| Bad Wolf | 5 Jul 2015, 13:43 Post #3781 |
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Beth Kennedy, the reporter from the appeal last year, is returning next week. |
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| Professor Plum | 7 Jul 2015, 06:24 Post #3782 |
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Just a thought, but if Bobby is not the killer, do all the people who bet on him with the TAB (or whoever your main gambling place is that takes bets), and they were paid out, will they have to pay the money back? Then if someone else is revealed to be the killer, will the TAB then have to pay out on those bets? |
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| Christina | 7 Jul 2015, 23:35 Post #3783 |
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Anyone a bit unnerved whenever Bobby appears now? I know I certainly am! |
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| BigApe | 7 Jul 2015, 23:52 Post #3784 |
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I'm not sure. Would be harsh if they were made to pay back. I wonder if people that bet on Jane got paid out. She was announced as the killer to begin with before they did a double twist and revealed it was Bobby. I even did a YouTube video of my reaction called "Jane killed Lucy!" |
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| Leon | 9 Jul 2015, 01:20 Post #3785 |
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I'm sure people got paid for betting on Jane before the second episode had started. And I don't think they're allowed to ask for you to pay it back, it was their fault to assume it had been revealed. |
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| King Billy | 9 Jul 2015, 11:42 Post #3786 |
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Pretty sure the market ended on the day of the reveal. If you've been paid out on Bobby, they can't get it back. And if you backed someone else and it turns out to be them now...tough luck. |
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| Shamelessness | 11 Jul 2015, 14:50 Post #3787 |
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The taxi driver returning pretty much confirms that the arrest is Max, since he saw Max approaching Jake and Lucy on the night she died. |
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| Mr Branning | 26 Jul 2015, 03:29 Post #3788 |
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After the developments of this week, there are a couple of things I'm confused about/can't remember: 1. Keeble was hanging onto the fact that Max left the house again around the time of Lucy's death. Max then told Carol this was when he saw the light on in the Beales' house. But he'd already told the police this, hadn't he? This was why Emma said "you know" to him in the car before she died. Or had Max only told Emma about the light? Why is more not being made by the police about the light being on? 2. What does the taxi driver seeing Max/Jake/Lucy together actually prove? The police know Jake didn't do anything and they know that Lucy was alive when she left the flat because they know about her later conversation with Jane. So I'm not sure why Max helping his girlfriend with a drunken man is in any way suspicious? 3. Keeble said about Max leaving the house at the time of Lucy's death. Do they know the exact time of Lucy's death? I thought they just had a big window where they don't know what happened? If they do know the exact time of death, then Denise would know Lucy was at home given they fought just moments before. If they still only have a rough time period, are we suggesting that Max (who, in his words, was going to see Lucy but changed his mind) was out of the house long enough to have killed Lucy and dumped her body? Marsden is obsessed with the Mitchells but she's right - Max has been arrested on the say-so of a love struck teenager and next to no concrete evidence. |
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| Mrs Peel | 26 Jul 2015, 14:23 Post #3789 |
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Max did tell the police he'd seen a light on at the Beales, but I thought he told them that he'd looked out the window and seen it. Wasn't there a scene from Live Week, which had Max strolling past the Beales' house, afterwards, seeing the lights on and then walking away. I need to search these episodes out and watch them again. Emma's discovery about Lucy's death came to light because of what was missing from the video taken by Tamwar and Fatboy on the night Lucy was killed and photos of the row of houses. From the video clip, Emma spotted that Jane's car wasn't parked outside when she had said that she'd been in all night. When Emma was injured and in the car with Max, she kept repeating, "It wasn't there." When Max asked her about this, she replied "You know." Max either looked out the window or walked by and didn't notice that Jane's car was gone.
What the taxi driver saw regarding Max proves as much about Max as it did about Ben - his testimony places Max and Ben with Lucy on the night that she died. That may mean nothing, but it does prove that both men were in physical contact with Lucy on this night. Ben has previous form in accidental killing. Lucy and Max had previously been in a relationship. Max went with Lucy into a flat where, subsequently, her blood was found. Keeble remarked that Jane's sighting of Lucy, fifteen minutes after this, puts her as having been alive, but as Max states, the fact that he did, subsequently, leave the house again to find Lucy, gives the police the idea that he left the house, found her, killed her and dumped the body. Thing is, no one's ever managed to establish where Lucy was killed. Discover that, and you've solved the mystery. Also, another person saw Lucy alive after Max went into the flat - Abi. Abi had a physical go at her, herself, about which she's said nothing, understandably.
You've opened a can of worms here for me, because I don't ever remember Denise volunteering information about having seen Lucy when she returned home that evening, much less having quarrelled with her.
Marsden, Keeble and Bryant are all skewed in judgement. Marsden is determined to pin the blame on this on a Mitchell, but Keeble and Bryant are honing after Max because of Emma. |
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| Dave70 | 26 Jul 2015, 14:34 Post #3790 |
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Yes, in the flash back episodes we saw Max approach the Beale's back door. The next scene was Lucy being startled by someone in the living room behind her. "Oh, it's you!", she says turning round to face that person. At the time I thought it was going to be Max, but, of course, it was Bobby. |
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| Mr Branning | 26 Jul 2015, 14:44 Post #3791 |
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I remember that scene and figured that was when he saw the light was on and had told the police as much, which is why I was surprised they're treating him leaving the house again as new information. Denise not saying anything is one of the biggest oversights of this whole thing. She was the last person to see Lucy alive other than Bobby. I don't believe for one second that Denise could live with the guilt of thinking she'd killed Lucy so that's not why she's stayed quiet. She said with some sincerity the other night that she still cares for Ian, and yet she's failed to tell him or the police that his daughter returned home moments before she was killed. It's Denise, not Max or Abi or Ben who's the key to unravelling this. I just don't even know why they put that final Lucy/Denise scene in if it's been completely ignored. |
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| The Other Slater Cousin | 26 Jul 2015, 14:58 Post #3792 |
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I get that she wouldn't have told anyone about seeing Lucy immediately afterwards because that would mean she'd have to have told Ian she was planning on leaving him. And since someone actively dumped her body, Denise would naturally think someone else had killed Lucy. It just doesn't make sense that she wouldn't have told someone that Lucy was home. It's really not Denise at all. She'd have wanted Lucy's killer caught just as much as anyone. |
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| MrSunshine | 26 Jul 2015, 15:32 Post #3793 |
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Denise needs to get involved in the story again. Diane was marvellous last year. |
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| *Betty* | 26 Jul 2015, 17:07 Post #3794 |
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Could it be that Denise maybe doesn't remember? She was drunk amd fought with Lucy. Maybe she just hasn't actually remembered seeing her... Maybe thats what Libby is coming back for. Didn't Lucy interrupt Denise on the phone to Libby? Edited by *Betty*, 26 Jul 2015, 17:08.
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| Ross | 26 Jul 2015, 17:09 Post #3795 |
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I believe Denise was on the phone to Chelsea. |
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| *Betty* | 26 Jul 2015, 17:14 Post #3796 |
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Maybe Chelsea has sent Libby? |
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| Mrs Peel | 26 Jul 2015, 20:45 Post #3797 |
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I went back and watched the key episodes of Live Week. Yes, Max did pop out and was seen approaching the Beales' backdoor, but he also did previously give a statement to the police about the lights in the Beale household, and in the live episode, when Ian was confronting Jane, Peter - who, until the moment he confronted Denise, believed she had killed Lucy - wanted to know how Emma had deduced that Jane had killed Lucy. At that point, Bobby hadn't even been mentioned, but that reveal was coming. Ian surmised that Emma came to the conclusion because the original statement Max gave about the lights in the Beale household didn't tally, and that Fatboy's video evidence saw Lauren at the Beales' door, and in that video, Emma noticed that Jane's care was missing. Jane then reminded Ian that she had given Lauren an alibi for that night, but Ian then reminded Jane that it was that false alibi that made Emma realise that Jane's car wasn't around at the time she said she'd seen Lauren at the Beales' door. What also clued Emma up, according to Peter, was the fact that Dean had mentioned that Patrick had taken a fall at his home earlier, stating that he'd only left him alone for five minutes. Emma then wondered if Lucy could have been killed at home in that short space of time. Emma deduced all of this, but she's dead. Lauren found her notes and thought that someone in the Beale household killed Lucy, although she knows the score now. She has left the country and destroyed Emma's notes. Peter knows the truth and is with Lauren. The police are too skewed with their own agendae - Marsden with the Mitchells and Bryant and Keeble with Max about Emma - to think about all of this sufficiently. I also watched the scene in which Lucy confronted Denise. She smacks Denise, then Denise rollse her onto the bed (a soft surface) and Lucy literally slides onto the thickly-carpeted floor - another soft surface. That's hardly an impact enough to cause a head injury, whereas Jake's smack and Abi's "battering" might have. The other curious thing is that Jake was a big man who, accidentally, hit Lucy hard, and I don't suppose Abi stinted on her smack; but at the time of her death, there was no bruising on Lucy's face, no contusion, no sign that she'd been hit from the front, which is odd. |
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| Shaz1022 | 28 Jul 2015, 00:07 Post #3798 |
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| Bad Wolf | 28 Jul 2015, 01:05 Post #3799 |
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New spoilers released today say that Chelsea does actually know whatever Libby's secret is. |
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| Christina | 28 Jul 2015, 01:13 Post #3800 |
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Everyone returns with a secret! |
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