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| Who Killed Lucy?; All the theories | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: 20 Apr 2014, 05:49 (367,930 Views) | |
| Nick | 20 Apr 2014, 16:01 Post #21 |
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I really don't think that there is any point in people looking into when contracts of actors expires, because when the killer was thought up the producers wouldn't have taken the contracts into consideration. I know they probably had the killer decided a long time ago or planned this way in advance, but we don't even know if the killer will be revealed to the other characters or just to the audience, we don't know if they are going to leave after, there are lots of things that could have happen. |
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| Jamie Fowler | 20 Apr 2014, 16:05 Post #22 |
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My Terry theory wasn't even serious when I originally thought about it, but now it's making a lot of sense in my head. Cindy's babies grandfather would be responsible for his/her aunties death |
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| MrJames | 20 Apr 2014, 16:09 Post #23 |
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I mean, let's be honest to ourselves, I'd say you could halve the suspects based on the people it could just never in a million years be. Dot is near enough impossible and would be the biggest joke to ever hit soap. Stan isn't exactly in the most mobile position to kill someone. Carol killing someone whilst also having her own hugely serious storyline would be a little insulting. Patrick's in Trinidad, Kim's on a cruise, Stacey's in prison, the kids are already ruled out. Denise was the last person we saw before Lucy's body - I think there would be a serious lack of credibility for it to be her. Mo - a semi-permanent character who only has bit-scenes - hardly likely. Pam, Donna and Les - brand new characters - not likely, but I suppose there could be a twist in the tale. Bianca and Jake leave before the reveal, again they could always come back but there would be a bit of back breaking required to do that. Of the characters absent from the trailer I'd say David is undoubtedly in the position most likely to kill. It would be hilarious if it was him and he wasn't even in the trailer. |
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| Josh | 20 Apr 2014, 16:15 Post #24 |
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Just a small thought...will there be any significance to come of how Lauren and Lucy have been wearing matching business attire? |
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| MrJames | 20 Apr 2014, 16:21 Post #25 |
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Or to Abi both having long blonde hair and a dusky pink coat? We will soon see. If Lauren had blonde hair I think we would definitely be hearing alarm bells. |
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| Mrs Peel | 20 Apr 2014, 16:27 Post #26 |
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Why? Ofttimes, a killer isn't detected and apprehended until he or she has killed more than once. Carl was an isolated character, estranged from his family, who - as attested - would go months before contacting any of them. No one's concerned about his disappearance except his mother and his brother, and they've been frightened off, for the moment. Left as it is, you're happy for Ronny to lord it around Walford, acting as if she's the self-appointed Queen of Walford, hiding behind the pretext of "protecting" her childwoman of a sister? You're fine with that? You're fine with her acting like the arbitre of a warped sense of morality, a tainted Madonna blessing Stacey's act of violence with the benediction that "she did what she had to do." I am no fan of Stacey's, but she did re-discover her moral barometre and handed herself into the authorities for a crime that she committed. Ronnie nearly shat herself when she thought the police were knocking on the Mitchell door for her sweet arse. The longer it takes for anyone to discover what's left of Carl's body, the more arrogant in her superiority she becomes, thinking she's entitled to do anything. That is the mind of a psychopath. She is also now, completely without morals. I could see her taking up drug-dealing through information Carl may have had on his person at the time of his death. I can't see her exactly making a fortune in a backstreet boxing club, but I can see her dealing drugs without remorse or compunction. As long as a Mitchell didn't get hold of cocaine, she doesn't give a rat's arse about anyone else. It's money in her pocket. So, yes, I can see her killing Lucy. The last words Lucy said to Max Branning was that she wanted to be a better person. She texted someone. Peter? Or her dealer, to tell the dealer that she was done with drugs. If that were Ronnie, she'd want to make sure Lucy didn't, inadvertantly or otherwise, grass her up. And I can see her leaving the body where it fell on the Common, ensuring that it did, indeed, look like a random mugging. It won't be Carl's murder which exposes Ronnie; it will be Lucy's. |
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| Walford East | 20 Apr 2014, 16:31 Post #27 |
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I think its Jake who gave Lucy the coke. That's his connection to all of this. The foreshadowing has been there. Its just been so subtle that you blink and you miss it. DTC said he wanted the reveal to make sense and be rooted in truth. So I am going with the Peter theories. Edited by Walford East, 20 Apr 2014, 16:32.
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| E20 | 20 Apr 2014, 16:31 Post #28 |
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Lucy's mobile will, obviously, play a crucial part in the police investigation. Therefore, I'm almost certain that the mobile will have been stolen by the killer: similar to that of Danny Latimer in Broadchurch. |
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| E20 | 20 Apr 2014, 16:34 Post #29 |
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... and surely Danny Pennant would fall under suspicion? There's no way the police would ignore someone who had such a huge connection to Lucy in her final months. |
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| Dan | 20 Apr 2014, 16:35 Post #30 |
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There is definitely nothing to say Ronnie couldn't or wouldn't do it and Ronnie does need to caught soon but I think it will be someone Lucy was close to and trusted. Ronnie isn't one of them even if she was dealing drugs to her which wouldn't surprise me. Her "looking for Phil" and not speaking to him when he was clearly right there watching the pool tournament was suspicious but I think this might be more Ronnie getting involved in whatever scam Nick is trying to pull on Dot. Although I'm leaning towards Lauren, I did have a thought earlier on in terms of an outside bet and that's Steven. I don't think it is him but he would be an interesting curveball. Lucy is the only Beale I could see who would have any desire to stay in touch with him as she did somewhat idolize him. |
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| E20 | 20 Apr 2014, 16:37 Post #31 |
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Now would be an ideal time for Steven to return, imo. There's no way he'd miss the funeral, regardless of Ian/Jane's opinion of him. Also, I know this will be unpopular but I think that Joey would also, in theory, attend the funeral. |
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| Walford East | 20 Apr 2014, 16:39 Post #32 |
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Maybe Gina will tell us where Steven is. Assuming she has heard from him. Also E20 don't forget Lucy's bag. If that isn't found at the crime scene chances are the killer has it. |
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| E20 | 20 Apr 2014, 16:41 Post #33 |
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Oh yes, I forgot all about her bag! Another thing I've not seen many people is the flashing lights that were seen as Lucy was leaving the Square. I know there was a train overhead when the lights started, but, I also think it could be plausible that someone was taking pictures of her? |
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| Jamie Fowler | 20 Apr 2014, 16:44 Post #34 |
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I wonder whether Lucy ever even made it to the flats? |
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| E20 | 20 Apr 2014, 16:45 Post #35 |
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I believe she did, although, that's purely because of the fact Hetti was photographed filming a scene at the flats one evening: a scene which I don't believe has made it to transmission? |
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| Dan | 20 Apr 2014, 16:55 Post #36 |
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Someone may have taken pictures of her. Lucy looked as though she had a feeling someone was watching her when she looked back. They do have an excuse with Steven on account that he may not have heard about Lucy's death if no-one knows where he is and he's not in a position to catch the news. He may be out of the country and it wouldn't be an international news story. But if it was him...that would be interesting. I don't think it is but that's the kind of curveball they might throw. Lucy was the only Beale who would probably have been opening to keeping in touch with him also and she most definitely wouldn't have told Ian or Jane as they would have hit the roof and she became more distant from Peter since Devon. We also don't know how much time passed between the shot of Denise on the bed and the shot of Lucy's body. It could have been minutes, it could have been the same time, it could have been a few hours. I don't think it was Denise at all because it would be ridiculous for her to follow Lucy or lure her to clandestine meeting to discuss divorcing Ian with her. We know judging from the noise in the background and from what he said in the voicemail that Lee was at Roxy's party at the time he sent it. But we don't know whether he was at it when Lucy died. The timeframe of when she left the Square and her death will be interesting, it could be as long as a few hours. |
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| Mrs Peel | 20 Apr 2014, 17:01 Post #37 |
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Jake is a total red herring. He'll be gone by the summer and won't figure. Aleks is an isolated character, new to the area and with no ties to the Square. He's too easy a choice, and - as you say - there will be absolutely no impact. I do, however, think he may figure in discovering the identity of the killer or at least, what Ronnie's been up to. He's involved with Roxy now, and after initially backing off at Ronnie's demand, he now doesn't give a rat's arse and genuinely likes Roxy. I do think that Ronnie is Lucy's killer, because she's killed before, she has no empathy and no moral compass. EastEnders won't make the same mistake of having a killer get off scot-free, and before anyone mentions Janine, that was a case which should never have been brought to court based on the evidence presented. So Ronnie will pay for what she's done. That's why I think TPTB don't want to get into two separate killers running around the Square. As for Terry, he's interesting as a dark horse. Years ago, Corrie had a big storyline about the rape of Toyah Battersby. There were all sorts of suspects, because she was attacked in the dark, from behind, beaten and raped. In the end, the culprit turned out to be the taxi driver who'd given her a ride almost to her doorstep. As someone pointed out, Terry Alderton said that it's possible Terry Spraggan has secrets. His wife left him. In fact, Terry referenced that Nikki "threw him out." Why? She also said that he fell in love easily with strange women. At first glance, his concern about Whitney did seem avuncular. What if, on a different layer, it wasn't? That's an interesting choice, especially since rumours are rife about Alderton not staying any length of time.
This is what needs to be established. When it was first divulged that she was going to be killed, the initial storyline was similar to the disappearance of Suzy Lamplugh back in the 1980s, something DTC would have remembered well - a young estate agent, called to a viewing and is never seen again. This led a lot of us to believe she'd be found in one of the flats, now she's found on Walford Common, with no mention of any flat viewing. Where is Walford Common, and if she went there, why did she go? It's not the sort of place a young girl on her own would be at night. If she wasn't killed there, how did she get there?
It could very well be delayed reaction, but I really don't want to see EastEnders go that route again. Think about it - both Arthur and Pauline died that way. Arthur died as a result of being hit over the head in a prison riot, hours before he was released. Pauline died as a result of being struck in the head by Joe Macer in an argument. Audrey Trueman died that way as well, after accidentally hitting her head in the B and B. It's plausible for Ronnie to have killed Lucy and not known. Maybe she hit her, thought she was knocked out, shrugged her shoulders and walked away. I'm beginning to think she was killed on the Common, but why was she there?
This. Or, indeed, they could arrest and question the actual murderer and release him/her without charge, initially. This is going to be a long investigation.
A young woman found dead on a Common is, indeed, suspicious. The police would start with the obvious:- Is this a random mugging. The contents of her bag would be checked to see if money and/or credit or bank cards were missing. There would be a post-mortem examination, first of all, to see if she were raped. Here's the first clue - there might be traces of semen left from her night of passion in the restaurant. Ian knows with whom she spent the night -Bang! There's your first suspect brought in for questioning: Lee Carter. A toxicology report would also be taken, as a matter of course. Traces of drug residue stays in your bloodstream for up to a month (which is why athletes don't want blood tests enforced as a means of detecting drug cheats); if traces of cocaine were to be found, they'd go heavy on wanting to find her dealer or the person from whom she bought this stuff.
They only recently filmed the funeral scenes, but yes, in the real world, the authorities wouldn't release her body for burial until they'd built a case of some sort or a profile of her potential killer. |
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| MrJames | 20 Apr 2014, 17:03 Post #38 |
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The text was obviously someone that she was in a position of trust as she looked more than willing to go. But I don't necessarily think that person is the killer. |
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| E20 | 20 Apr 2014, 17:06 Post #39 |
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This is definitely my favourite theory (from YouTube), it's fabulous: "It was the new girl in the wheelchair (Donna Yates) who said Kat was wearing tat, she got fed up of Lucy wearing the same clothes everyday, so decided to kill her!" |
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| Fehnder | 20 Apr 2014, 17:08 Post #40 |
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Assuming the person who sent the texts wasn't responsible its plausible she met whoever this person was at the flats. Also, in the original release there was a mention that someone innocent knows more about that night than letting on. We clearly haven't seen everything from that night and there are plenty of gaps to fill in. I think there's more to come with peter (she didn't leave him any message that we saw?) and lee. Also, I think Danny will turn up at some point, maybe even from a police questioning sort of view. If Charlie is indeed an officer, will he be involved in the investigation? For the funeral to happen so quick you would expect cause of death to be decided as unsuspicious wouldn't you? Or at least unsuspicious enough to allow the funeral. Could we be looking at as said earlier second impact? Something drug related (harder drugs, legal highs which do kill often) misadventure? I think more characters will become prominent as the story goes on. I think theories alongside Jane, Abi, masood and terry are the best so far. I just think its probable that right now we know zero about what Lucy was really doing and who with to make educated guesses. Wondering also about her relationship with Cindy, her talk about how one of them would be like their mother (ie rubbish) and it would be her. I'm too impatient!! |
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