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Who Killed Lucy?; All the theories
Topic Started: 20 Apr 2014, 05:49 (367,904 Views)
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MuteBanana
7 Jun 2014, 15:05
Was it Jake who took the photos? I think that would add to his feelings of guilt when he discovered Lucy's body.

Although I'm now starting to think he wasn't the one who moved her. If we believe that he was too drunk to remember what was going on. But maybe he found her, got blood on himself which he transferred to the flat. If he found her body in the flat and moved it surely he'd have told the police to speak to Aleks.


Was Lee around when Tina moved into the flat? Trying to think who could have left traces of Lucy's blood in the flat. All the creepy Aleks stuff I just think will be either a red herring to make use of the actor or he'll be Lucy's dealer.
Abi took the photo of Max and Lucy kissing.

Lucy wasn't killed at the flat.

I don't think Jake has absolutely anything to so with Lucy's death other than that he spent time with her that night.
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Was it really Abi? Okay then. Seems odd for her to follow Max to the flat.
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7 Jun 2014, 17:46
Was it really Abi? Okay then. Seems odd for her to follow Max to the flat.
She was probably looking for Lauren.
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They're holding Jake still but the case against him is getting weaker rather than stronger.

There isn't a particularly nice way to put this so I'll just have to put it. As well as mugging, one of the first avenues the police would have go down is whether Lucy was sexually assaulted. This means, they would have had to do a very invasive examination on Lucy's body in order to establish whether there was vaginal, anal or oral rape. There is not a nice way to put that but it's what will have had to be done in order to establish a possible motive. They would also have checked for bruises etc which would indicate a struggle.

They have evidently found nothing or it would have been said. The police seem to suspect that Jake killed Lucy and that the motive may have been sexual in that he came on to her and wouldn't take no for an answer. There is nothing else that suggests a motive and now we know Lucy wasn't killed at the flat, we can suspect that her earring and blood may have been there for another reason. I suspect Jake's keys would have been easy to lift as he was blind drunk at the time and we don't know who did or didn't have access to his property while he was out of it.

The case against him is now paper thin. He also is a good judge of character when sober - he got Lauren down to a tee.

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Dan
8 Jun 2014, 12:03
They're holding Jake still but the case against him is getting weaker rather than stronger.

There isn't a particularly nice way to put this so I'll just have to put it. As well as mugging, one of the first avenues the police would have go down is whether Lucy was sexually assaulted. This means, they would have had to do a very invasive examination on Lucy's body in order to establish whether there was vaginal, anal or oral rape. There is not a nice way to put that but it's what will have had to be done in order to establish a possible motive. They would also have checked for bruises etc which would indicate a struggle.

That is right. After establishing cause of death (head trauma), that would be the next venue of examination for the forensics team - a vaginal/anal exam and examination of the inside of her thighs/pubic area for evidence of bruising. Lucy was discovered with Lee Carter the morning of the day she died. She rushed home and changed quickly. In the amount of time it took Ian and Peter to follow her home, she wouldn't have had time for a bath or shower, so Lee Carter's DNA should be all over her and inside her. Even though his (laundered) clothes were taken away and he was given a DNA test, he only had a cursory questioning by the police, and nothing more has been said.

That's odd. He'd be high on the list of suspects.

I'm also amazed that the bizzies haven't been hovering around Ian or Peter more either, just to eliminate them as suspects. I know they didn't do it, but the police like to get as much profile built up on a murder victim as possible, and they'd have surely been asking Lucy's friends and neighbours about her relationship with her dad and her brother. Ian already disclosed to the police that he and Lucy had quarrelled that night.

Have the police got samples of Jake's DNA? I think things happened the way Jake said - that Lucy returned him to the flat and he passed out. Phil certainly identified with that. As for the evidence found in the flat, Lucy was in the flat prior to that day, when she and Jake were working on the website. She could have lost the earring that night or when she was helping Jake. And the blood ... well, didn't the police say that the blood was found on the skirting boards of the flat and that it was miniscule enough to be missed by most people? Maybe Aleks, who was with Roxy all of that evening and night, came into contact with the murderer and some of Lucy's blood ended up on Aleks or his clothing, unnoticed by him? (cf: Remember when Ben hugged Roxy after having killed Heather and smeared Heather's blood on the back of Roxy's raincoat?)

Just saying.
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I suppose the only reason Lee was not on their main suspects is if it concluded that Lucy was not raped as there were witnesses to back-up that Lee was in a consenting sexual relationship with Lucy and that they had sex the previous night. What doesn't make sense however is the police believing that Jake had a sexual motive for murdering Lucy when none has been discovered. If there were signs of sexual assault, the police would have mentioned it by now. They've taken away Jake's motive.

I agree that Jake is innocent. He is an alcoholic who derived his self-esteem through a fellow alcoholic, he got drunk and went to meet what he thought was her. It's possible that Aleks accidentally transferred Lucy's blood into the flat and he seemed in a hurry to lose that IPad suggesting that he may know something he wants to distance himself from. I don't know if the police have Jake's DNA (I'd assume so) and they did say it was a minuscule amount of blood. It could definitely be transference.

The police lack of attention in the family has been bizarre because they are usually the first they want to eliminate as suspects, however, I think once it has been shown that Ian has lied about being in the restaurant all night, the police might regain an interest in him. I think Ian was either sniffing around Jane or meeting Ben but he will be in it quite deep when the police find out he lied.
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I'm guessing that Lee's return will come about because the police need to do more questioning with him.
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If its established that lucy took jake home and could have potentially lost her earring doing so, isnt it also a possibility that she herself left blood there? If its a miniscule amount perhaps she had a nose bleed, a small cut or anythin. Tiny lucy getting a drunk and rather large jake up stairs into his flat is no mean feat. Plus weve seen that jake is capable of violence when drunk (re lauren) even if unintentional.

Im interested in the timeline though. We know lucy was at the flat with jake. Where were ronnie and aleks? Did they go to his? And before or after this happened?
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Was it ever said what killed Lucy? I wanna think bludgeoning but wouldn't her head have been smashed open then?
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It was a trauma to the head, so she was struck. Not all head injuries result in external damage. That's what makes bumps and knocks so dangerous.
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Can we throw Rainie into the frame now she's made a 'shock' return?

I definitely think it was her who supplied Lucy with the drugs. So it seems Ian may have seen Rainie the night Lucy died?
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17 Jun 2014, 09:02
Can we throw Rainie into the frame now she's made a 'shock' return?

I definitely think it was her who supplied Lucy with the drugs. So it seems Ian may have seen Rainie the night Lucy died?
Now Rainie's been thrown into the mix I think new suspects might come to light... Someone who spotted her and followed may have been led straight to Lucy.

I'm starting to re-think Peter as a suspect though. Dom said the reveal would be upsetting, and what could be more so than finding out you killed your twin without knowing? I can't figure out how that would work though; the killer has to know they're responsible by now.
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I think it's got to be someone close to Lucy, so that's Ian, Peter, Cindy, Bobby, Denise, Lauren and Jane, although Jane wasn't around at the time. I was going to say that I'm sure it isn't Bobby, although thinking about it that would be quite interesting. I still don't think it'll be him though.

If the killer knows they're responsible then I can't see it being Peter or Lauren, and as WalfordE20 said they must know by now even if Lucy seemed alright when they left her but collapsed later. Were Denise, Cindy and Bobby at the restaurant the whole time? If so I've ruled out all my suspects except Ian!
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My money has been on Denise from the start. (Hence my sig :P)
Though I'm beginning to doubt part of my theory now with Rainie's return.
I did think that Charlie may have been supplying both Jake and Lucy (taking over from Carl after he died) but perhaps Charlie could now be taken out completely and replaced with Rainie or Rainie's own dealer.
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New Lucy suspect

Edited by CivvyStreet, 21 Jun 2014, 01:10.
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21 Jun 2014, 01:06
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Denise came back from Oxford, the house was empty, and she went straight to bed. Lucy was standing in Bridge Street at the time, she looked up a the light in their house, presumably Denise in the bedroom, as she walked away. We now know that she returned to the area later in a taxi with Jake. Denise would have needed to get up from bed, possible, but I can't think why she would kill Lucy.

I didn't remember DTC's comment about it being upsetting, but here it is:

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When it's revealed, we don't want people to say, 'Oh that was clever, I never guessed that'. We want people to say, 'Oh, that makes sense, that's upsetting and it's very clever'. The story is very much based on truth."


I don't really see how it could make sense for anyone close to Lucy to kill her, unless we learn a major new thing about someone.

I still prefer Ronnie at the moment, she was once a popular fun character, but she is on a downward path, it could be upsetting to see what ultimately happens with her. Ok, she was never everyone's favourite, but I think she was originally DTC's creation, so I suspect he likes to think she is was a sympathetic character.
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I don't think its Ronnie. I never have. Plus Sam is leaving AGAIN for goodness knows how many months when
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The way that statement reads to me is that it will be Peter. If the killer has no idea it was them who killed Lucy its the only way it makes sense. I'm starting to believe someone else moved her body to the common in a panic after finding her dead. So the person who really did kill her has no idea their actions, probably a simple slap or a bang to the head, caused her death.

I hope we get a final episode all told in flashback form with Hetti back as Lucy to fill in all these blanks. Its the only way it will make sense. They did that with Twin Peaks in Fire Walk with Me.



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And one more:

Cast photo offers clue to Lucy killer:

There's a killer amongst them
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I was wondering about Peter too. Little could be more upsetting than learning he killed his twin without knowing, after months of restless investigation into Lucy's death. It's the not knowing I can't fathom though; how he could still not realise he was responsibie is something I cannot understand.
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