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Who Killed Lucy?; All the theories
Topic Started: 20 Apr 2014, 05:49 (367,903 Views)
Walford East
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WalfordE20
21 Jun 2014, 12:38
I was wondering about Peter too. Little could be more upsetting than learning he killed his twin without knowing, after months of restless investigation into Lucy's death. It's the not knowing I can't fathom though; how he could still not realise he was responsibie is something I cannot understand.
My theory is that someone else will confess to moving her body from the place she died to the common. That is when the actual person responsible will realise it was them who killed her all along.

That's why flashbacks is the only way this story will be given any sort of justice. I'm really convinced that's what the curveball is. The police will locate the actual death scene and realise it was never the common where she died.
Edited by Walford East, 21 Jun 2014, 13:05.
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I'm intrigued by Paddington....maybe she was hit over the head with a jar of marmalade? :D
Edited by Swirly, 21 Jun 2014, 21:04.
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Didn't they already say that her body had been moved to the common and she died somewhere else?
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17 Jun 2014, 12:09
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17 Jun 2014, 09:02
Can we throw Rainie into the frame now she's made a 'shock' return?

I definitely think it was her who supplied Lucy with the drugs. So it seems Ian may have seen Rainie the night Lucy died?
Now Rainie's been thrown into the mix I think new suspects might come to light... Someone who spotted her and followed may have been led straight to Lucy.

I'm starting to re-think Peter as a suspect though. Dom said the reveal would be upsetting, and what could be more so than finding out you killed your twin without knowing? I can't figure out how that would work though; the killer has to know they're responsible by now.
Whatever Rainie is, she's not a dealer. In fact, the last time she made an appearance, her addiction was to alcohol. She is, however, a prostitute, and she's turning tricks to fund whatever addiction she's on at the moment - booze or heroin or crack cocaine. People like Rainie aren't dealers, and they don't provide others with drugs. Their addiction is so strong, that they won't share. They'll hook, the way Tanya did Rainie and the way Rainie did Phil, but they won't deal and they don't share.

It's interesting that Peter is mentioned. No one's ever questioned his whereabouts that night. I thought when Lucy left Ian, she was going off to find Peter.

People keep bringing up the fact that whoever killed Lucy may not have known they killed her. I still think that's PR talk. Lucy was killed in one place, and her body was dumped in another. How could the killer not have known? I don't think Peter killed her, but his whereabouts that night need to be questioned.
Edited by Mrs Peel, 21 Jun 2014, 14:28.
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21 Jun 2014, 11:21
I still prefer Ronnie at the moment, she was once a popular fun character, but she is on a downward path, it could be upsetting to see what ultimately happens with her. Ok, she was never everyone's favourite, but I think she was originally DTC's creation, so I suspect he likes to think she is was a sympathetic character.
The actress, herself, has said that Ronnie is now beyond redemption. She is a full-on villain and a psychopath.

If DTC is going down a Broadchurch/Agatha Christie route, then the killer will be someone who's been least involved with the killing or the people around it, and someone who, superficially, may have nothing to do with any of the peripheral characters at all.

Ronnie had two incongruent scenes in the episode the night of the murder, both with Charlie Cotton. They were inserted for a purpose. Then we didn't see her anymore until last week, and next week, she leaves again. The phrase "out of sight out of mind" comes to fore. Who'd think Ronnie a suspect? I would.

I think Carl White, his death, Ronnie, Stacey's key, the body in the coffin and Charlie Cotton are all linked to Lucy's death; and I think Ronnie and Charlie killed her.
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21 Jun 2014, 13:44
I'm intrigued by Paddington....maybe she was hit over the head with a jar of marmalade? :D
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I doubt Ronnie killed Lucy. That's hardly 'emotional'. And I also doubt the Charlie story will be dragged into the mix unnecessarily. That's a strong enough plot in it's own right.
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Oops meant to edit but managed to quote and don't know how to delete haha
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I watched the aftermath episode again today. I will point out something I said originally which was subtle but no one else noticed, or didn't respond to my post acknowledging it at the time.

In the scene after Ian is talking to the police it cuts to the pub where Peter is startled as a man walks into the pub and shakes his umbrella to dry it off. It then cuts back to his conversation with Lauren and this is where you see the man who entered is Charlie Cotton. It's all very subtle and quick but for the rest of the shots in the pub, Charlie isn't shown, nor from the angling is it clear where in the pub he ended up after entering.

Watch it again.
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Thinking back, what was the relevance of Ronnie running over Lola and all those Danielle memories coming back? I mean, I didn't really realise at the time, but that was only about a week before Lucy's death. Could that be involved some how?
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Mod note: I've removed a few posts from this page. Can we get back to having civil discussions on the topic at hand please.
Edited by TellyAddict, 21 Jun 2014, 22:45.
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21 Jun 2014, 22:26
Thinking back, what was the relevance of Ronnie running over Lola and all those Danielle memories coming back? I mean, I didn't really realise at the time, but that was only about a week before Lucy's death. Could that be involved some how?


Well Lucy is blonde and motherless. Maybe Ronnie saw something in her too, and Lucy didnt play ball? Maybe Ronnie supplied her with the drugs, tried to do the "mummy is here" thing like with Lola, but Lucy, being Lucy struck back at her (with words) Ronnie lost it, (which she is losing it more and more, what about that creepy scene with Roxy in the boxing ring), Ronnie hit her, Lucy fell, Ronnie craddles a dying Lucy (just like Danielle) and then decides not to dispose of her, but leave her where she will be found.

I think the blood in the flat is a red herring. Even if Lucy had nicked a finger or something, its hard to think how it would get on a skirting board, but I dont think its related. I think it is a way of arresting Jake, leaving him in prison for a length of time, so it can drag out for 6 months. I havent seen the Police active since the funeral, (or even a bit before then), and I have just seen the episode of Tina chucking up over Tosh.
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21 Jun 2014, 13:44
I'm intrigued by Paddington....maybe she was hit over the head with a jar of marmalade? :D
Well, Lucy was hiding a bag of the Peruvian marching powder.

Creepy Paddington was Lucy's dealer!
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21 Jun 2014, 14:35

If DTC is going down a Broadchurch/Agatha Christie route, then the killer will be someone who's been least involved with the killing or the people around it, and someone who, superficially, may have nothing to do with any of the peripheral characters at all.


I've arrived late to Agatha Christie but read quite a few over the last few weeks - mainly Poirot novels. I'd be interested to know which are your favourites generally and if any in particular seem familiar to the Lucy story so far.

There are certainly "long lost relatives" rolling up in a few, often references to drugs and smuggling around the murder and you never quite know what's a red herring and what's important. I've also noticed in more than one novel a liking for the name Summerhayes or similar.

Coincidently there's also a Mr Treadwell and a Mr Collins mentioned in one paragraph of a novel! (Annoyingly I forget which).

So far, I've really liked The Mysterious Affair at Styles, ABC murders, Five Little Pigs and Cat Amongst the Pigeons. Unfortunately, The Murder of Roger Ackroyd and The Orient Express were slightly ruined by already knowing the famous conclusions (though still enjoyed the writing).
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Anyone else like the idea of Ian and Denise getting married during anniversary week in February? Maybe the reveal could be at the wedding or at the afters in The Queen Vic?

It's SO LONG since we had a big extravagant Walford wedding. And how apt to celebrate a wedding to one of the originals Ian Beale 30 years since the show started. Maybe a few old faces from Ian's past could come back for it.
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22 Jun 2014, 14:56
Anyone else like the idea of Ian and Denise getting married during anniversary week in February? Maybe the reveal could be at the wedding or at the afters in The Queen Vic?

It's SO LONG since we had a big extravagant Walford wedding. And how apt to celebrate a wedding to one of the originals Ian Beale 30 years since the show started. Maybe a few old faces from Ian's past could come back for it.
I've been saying this ever since they decided to set a date a few episodes ago. The killer is bound to be revealed on their wedding day.
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You'd think someone would have thought "Ooh February 19th is a bit of an unlucky day in Walford isn't it?"

My favourite line of the year so far is Tamwar's "Only in Walford" at Lucy's funeral. It was a rare moment of the lines being blurred between character and viewer.
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It's unlikely but I'd really love to see Phil/Sharon and Ian/Denise both have their weddings during anniversary week, with Sharon taking her revenge and Lucy's killer being revealed. Now that would be explosive.
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22 Jun 2014, 02:44
Mrs Peel
21 Jun 2014, 14:35

If DTC is going down a Broadchurch/Agatha Christie route, then the killer will be someone who's been least involved with the killing or the people around it, and someone who, superficially, may have nothing to do with any of the peripheral characters at all.


I've arrived late to Agatha Christie but read quite a few over the last few weeks - mainly Poirot novels. I'd be interested to know which are your favourites generally and if any in particular seem familiar to the Lucy story so far.

There are certainly "long lost relatives" rolling up in a few, often references to drugs and smuggling around the murder and you never quite know what's a red herring and what's important. I've also noticed in more than one novel a liking for the name Summerhayes or similar.

Coincidently there's also a Mr Treadwell and a Mr Collins mentioned in one paragraph of a novel! (Annoyingly I forget which).

So far, I've really liked The Mysterious Affair at Styles, ABC murders, Five Little Pigs and Cat Amongst the Pigeons. Unfortunately, The Murder of Roger Ackroyd and The Orient Express were slightly ruined by already knowing the famous conclusions (though still enjoyed the writing).
The Murder of Roger Ackroyd. This storyline is the lovechild of that book and Broadchurch.
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If we look at the Ronnie theory. Another angle that could tie in is Kat and Alfie's twins.

How ironic that the couple who Ronnie last took a child away from, are now having twins that Ronnie has taken away one of Ian's twins in Lucy...
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