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Who Killed Lucy?; All the theories
Topic Started: 20 Apr 2014, 05:49 (367,902 Views)
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I still can't buy the Ronnie theory. She leaves tonight to fix herself and get her life back on track. It sounds to me like they changed the idea of making her a cold hearted villain.

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Ronnie killed a man. That means her character, somehow, has to leave the Square. Even Lorna Fitzgerald, when musing about whether or not Abi could have killed Lucy, said that as much as she'd like Abi to be a killer, it would mean leaving the show.

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23 Jun 2014, 14:22
Ronnie killed a man. That means her character, somehow, has to leave the Square. Even Lorna Fitzgerald, when musing about whether or not Abi could have killed Lucy, said that as much as she'd like Abi to be a killer, it would mean leaving the show.

But Ronnie killing Carl has nothing to do with Lucy.

Janine killed TWO men and tried to murder a 3rd - Ryan by poisoning and a 4th David by running him over, Phil killed a man, Stacey killed a man, Pat killed a woman. There are probably more examples I could give. The likely hood is that Sharon
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There isn't a fixed rule that if you kill you have to leave. Steve Owen killed Saskia and may have still be on the show now had Martin Kemp not quit. Likewise with Lacey Turner. A character will stay as long as the producer wants them to. Until we know what is going on with Ronnie, which we should find out tonight, then I don't see how she can be a suspect. Granted if info comes up tonight to suggest she was involved I will accept it however something tells me that if Ronnie's secret is linked to Lucy it will eliminate her from the suspects.
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21 Jun 2014, 14:35
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21 Jun 2014, 11:21
I still prefer Ronnie at the moment, she was once a popular fun character, but she is on a downward path, it could be upsetting to see what ultimately happens with her. Ok, she was never everyone's favourite, but I think she was originally DTC's creation, so I suspect he likes to think she is was a sympathetic character.
The actress, herself, has said that Ronnie is now beyond redemption. She is a full-on villain and a psychopath.

If DTC is going down a Broadchurch/Agatha Christie route, then the killer will be someone who's been least involved with the killing or the people around it, and someone who, superficially, may have nothing to do with any of the peripheral characters at all.

Ronnie had two incongruent scenes in the episode the night of the murder, both with Charlie Cotton. They were inserted for a purpose. Then we didn't see her anymore until last week, and next week, she leaves again. The phrase "out of sight out of mind" comes to fore. Who'd think Ronnie a suspect? I would.

I think Carl White, his death, Ronnie, Stacey's key, the body in the coffin and Charlie Cotton are all linked to Lucy's death; and I think Ronnie and Charlie killed her.
Ronnie is definitely on my radar too.Every scene in Lucys death episode whether we realise it or not or appreciate it or not was there for a reason and means something.I dont think there was any filler at all in this particular episode.I always feel that soaps fare better when they adhere to the notion that murderers and exceptionally nasty or destructive characters become time limited with an inevitable comeuppance in mind.

I think its always unwise when soaps deviate too much from this path.I think this was part of the lingering bad aftertaste with Staceys 2010 exit and why DTC wisely tried to address this upon her return,in an imperfect slightly graying way but it was addressed in a fashion.

The fact Sam Womack said what she did imo is highly significant.

What Im trying to figure out is the significance of some other scenes in this episode?Lolas sarcastic tone When she said to Lucy in the square awe Have you too had a fight?Laurens statement to Lucy about a cancellation that didnt sound convincing?I didnt think either lady is a killer but I do think theres more going on.

Given Ronnies history Im very surprised shes not on more peoples suspect list.I feel this could all be linked to who was or wasnt in Nick Cottons coffin given Ronnies association with Charlie.
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Stacey is the exception I think, they made her a killer but I highly doubt she would've left had Turner not quit. She was the golden girl.
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I'm also pretty convinced it's Ronnie now too.
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23 Jun 2014, 19:24
Stacey is the exception I think, they made her a killer but I highly doubt she would've left had Turner not quit. She was the golden girl.
I actually think at least in part they made Stacey the killer because they knew Lacey was leaving.
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Soooooo the Ronnie and Charlie scenes on Good Friday was nothing more than them heading off for some rumpy punpy so Ms Mitchell could conceive a baby! ;) it was clear tonight they haven't spoken since then either.

I always thought Ronnie and Charlie were never involved in the murder! I think this confirms it.
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Few things are as they appear.....especially when curveballs are known to be in the pipeline.
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23 Jun 2014, 20:32
Soooooo the Ronnie and Charlie scenes on Good Friday was nothing more than them heading off for some rumpy punpy so Ms Mitchell could conceive a baby! ;) it was clear tonight they haven't spoken since then either.

I always thought Ronnie and Charlie were never involved in the murder! I think this confirms it.
As great as it would be Dot to have a great grandchild, I'm now thinking that Ronnie will be a month pregnant, meaning she will be due in time for February's anniversary.

That means she couldn't have conceived on Easter Monday. I wouldn't be surprised if she passes the child off as Charlie's though, to avoid telling Roxy the truth. That Aleks is the dad. A reverse of Jack/Roxy/Amy.

I am now desperate for Ronnie to be Lucy's killer.

Ronnie is key to bringing all of the story strands together, and change Walford forever. We have the Carl stand. Phil/Sharon/Shirley. Which then brings in the Carters and the Shirley/Mick/Dean stand. We have Roxy/Aleks. We Billy/Lola/Peter. We have Kat/Alfie/Twins. Stacey. Dot/Charlie/Les. And then of course the Beales, Brannings, Jacksons and Masoods all have their own involvement in the plot and the shock aftermath.

Ronnie being Lucy's killer, will bring so many storylines stands together, bring the story to ahead by culminating different strands, with Ronnie being revealed as the killer, giving birth and loosing her life, all in the anniversary week.

We then have the aftermath of Lucy's killer, the effects of Sharon/Phil/Shirley especially if this is wedding week also and then Roxy/Aleks left picking up the baby...

That could be massive. If they add the final twist that Ronnie did actually finish off Archie as well it could be amazing. Then it will be a real team effort, but based mainly around the Beales and Mitchell's. Two of the shows biggest family's. Peggy, Grant and Sam could also drop in just to add the extra hype... and of course this would be the week when it all comes out that Sharon has been scamming Phil, and he ends up being locked up for his misdemeanors, but Sharon and Phil come to a last minute understanding after the Ronnie reveal leaving potential for the future...

It'd be great to have Phil inside for awhile (like Den) but still in the show. Really knocking him off his perch and going back to the core of his character, ditching this Mitchell gangster stuff.
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Just a thought, but maybe Ronnie wasn't paying Aleks to date Roxy. Maybe she was paying him to be a sperm donor.

IIRC, Jacqui Dixon on Brookside got pregnant by Max Branning via a turkey baster.
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^ That would be utterly amazing. I got goosebumps just thinking about it.

Two months later and I feel like we're back to square one. As suspected, many of the original suspects have been ruled out e.g Whitney and Jake, and nearly all the others just seem completely unlikely. I don't see how it can be Lauren, Peter or Ian, and the likes of Denise and Jane don't make sense. There's definitely a lot more to discover, which for me is what distinguishes this from other whodunnits, where the only question unanswered is who. With Lucy's story, not only do we not know who's guilty, but we're unsure how she died, where she died, why she was killed, the object used and how many people are involved. It's brilliant.

If I had to give a top three at this moment in time, my guesses would be Peter, Ronnie and Lee, though even they don't seem particularly suspicious.
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24 Jun 2014, 00:44
Just a thought, but maybe Ronnie wasn't paying Aleks to date Roxy. Maybe she was paying him to be a sperm donor.

IIRC, Jacqui Dixon on Brookside got pregnant by Max Branning via a turkey baster.
Max Farnham, you mean! :D
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I don't think the revelation about Ronnie's pregnancy proves she wasn't involved in Lucy's death.

There was no confirmation that she is carrying Charlie's child, just that she is carrying a child. If she is carrying Charlie's child, there is no indication that they were at it all night or could not have been involved in Lucy's death. They could have had sex way before or way after Lucy was killed.

We don't know what Ronnie and Charlie's movements were on the night of Lucy's death. All we know is that Lucy was not killed on the Common and did return to Walford with an absolutely blind drunk Jake that night. The rest is guess work and I'm wondering if the cab driver knew any more as he looked like was about to tell Lauren something before Peter scared him off. If Phil knows where and how to get hold of illegal immigrants to do a job for him, I'm sure Ronnie and/or Charlie would too.

I think that no matter what happens, Dot is not getting a great grandchild. I think Dot has only one blood-related grandson and he is dead. I don't think she has any other grandsons.

Aleks is an interesting one, a lone wolf. He didn't kill Lucy but I wouldn't be surprised if he had darker secrets than simply having children.



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Just a thought, but maybe Ronnie wasn't paying Aleks to date Roxy. Maybe she was paying him to be a sperm donor.

IIRC, Jacqui Dixon on Brookside got pregnant by Max Branning via a turkey baster.
Max Farnham, you mean! :D
LOL! Yes, Farnham. A well-spoken amalgamation of Ian Beale and Max Branning.
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Just a thought, but maybe Ronnie wasn't paying Aleks to date Roxy. Maybe she was paying him to be a sperm donor.

IIRC, Jacqui Dixon on Brookside got pregnant by Max Branning via a turkey baster.
Was it ever implied that aleks was married? Or did the girl simply call him daddy and say mummy wanted to know when he's coming home?

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LOL! Yes, Farnham. A well-spoken amalgamation of Ian Beale and Max Branning.
Aren't the Farnhams the ones who lost both their kids in that car accident? I remember being shocked they killed off two ten-year olds
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Just a thought, but maybe Ronnie wasn't paying Aleks to date Roxy. Maybe she was paying him to be a sperm donor.

IIRC, Jacqui Dixon on Brookside got pregnant by Max Branning via a turkey baster.
Was it ever implied that aleks was married? Or did the girl simply call him daddy and say mummy wanted to know when he's coming home?

It was made quite obvious that he had a wife and child in Latvia.
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24 Jun 2014, 08:31
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Aren't the Farnhams the ones who lost both their kids in that car accident? I remember being shocked they killed off two ten-year olds
Yep. Brookside didn't stint on killing off kids - Tony Dixon in a car accident and Terry's wife and small son being chased off a roof by Barry Grant. Max Farnham also had a daughter with Downs' Syndrome. Brookside was the first soap to have a Downs' character.
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Yep. Brookside didn't stint on killing off kids - Tony Dixon in a car accident and Terry's wife and small son being chased off a roof by Barry Grant. Max Farnham also had a daughter with Downs' Syndrome. Brookside was the first soap to have a Downs' character.
They also had Ray Quinn bump off the girl that was bullying him. I remember that storyline being one of the very last positive things about the soap in its final years
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