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Who Killed Lucy?; All the theories
Topic Started: 20 Apr 2014, 05:49 (367,900 Views)
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Dave Carter
26 Jun 2014, 15:53
I thought it was pretty much confirmed onscreen that the baby was Charlie's, he wouldn't of being in the episode otherwise. Also the idea that Aleks is the father is somewhat understandable I doubt DTC will reverse the Jack/Roxy/Amy story with Aleks fathering Ronnie's child.
We all know how the Branning Women like to share their men. Jack being Amys father and all...
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26 Jun 2014, 14:48
Well Sharon writes for the show so she should know. She attends the story conferences.
She might know, but who says she has to tell us, or even the full truth?
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26 Jun 2014, 14:33
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25 Jun 2014, 21:39
I am still in the Ronnie camp, but what is Ians secret?
Why has Raine been hounding him on the phone, and why has she turned up?

(apologies if this has been answered, I have only seen the episode)
Ian/Rainie - Rainie has been working as a prostitute and Ian slept with her on Good Friday, after his row with Lucy.
Thank you :)

You would think Ian would learn by now. Hasnt he already been here with Janine?
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Looks as though
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27 Jun 2014, 22:07
Looks as though
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is the one with the information about the night that Lucy died. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0499kf8
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28 Jun 2014, 13:35
MrJames
27 Jun 2014, 22:07
Looks as though
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is the one with the information about the night that Lucy died. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0499kf8
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28 Jun 2014, 13:46
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28 Jun 2014, 13:35

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Good theory but I still hope Charlie's the dad and he's actually Nick's son because it would be a nice way of carrying on Dot's legacy in the future.
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On Charlie Cotton: He is conducting something underhand against someone but I don't think its Nick who's the target. But also I get the feeling he is genuinely who he says he is as in: he is Nick's son and the baby Ronnie's carrying is his, they all but confirmed it. The soap's original main villain will have a grandkid on the 30th anniversary of EE, whether or not he lives to see that grandchild I'm unsure.
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The Charlie story is intriguing because we still have no idea what is actually going on. Is Nick alive? if so where is he - locked up in a basement or what?!!, and if Nick is alive what's the agenda and what exactly is playing at be befriending Dot? she has no money so they can't con her out of anything. Also now Ronnie is pregnant how does a baby fit into all this?

If he isn't Nick's son it will be such a cop out and I agree with Shamelessness. I want him to be Nick's son so that Ronnie's baby carries on Dot's legacy for the future. We need a link to Dot once June is long gone.

Ronnie's baby should be due in Jan but Sam Womack is in panto again this year so could be off screen for Feb and March.


Also while I don't think Ronnie will have anything to do with Lucy's death I do think Charlie can't be ruled out.
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IF Ronnies baby is Charlies, and IF she carries it full term, and IF Charlie is who he says he is, I do worry a bit about this baby.
As we have seen with Roxy and Sharon, babies/small children didnt do their characters much good.
If Ronnie stays round, and she really cant, having committed one murder (that we know of) and getting increasingly unstable, what is that going to do to a baby? If she gets locked up, who is going to look after that baby?

No disrespect to June, but by the time the baby comes into its own character, she might possibly be gone.
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Ronnie would probably want to have her baby away from the Square, since both her children have died there.
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I strongly suspect the following:

Charlie is not Nick's son, Nick is alive and Charlie is not a police officer.

Yvonne may or may not be Charlie's mother but even if she is, she's in whatever he's doing up to his eyeballs.

He has attempted to use Dot as a front for something but now can't extradite himself due to Lucy's death and Dot's questions. He needs to stay around her to placate her.

Nick is not actively involved in any scam against Dot.

Charlie is not the father of Ronnie's baby.

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I wonder if "Charlie" did time with Nick and that is how he knows what he does about the Cotton family?

I think Ronnies obsession has gone onto any blonde girl, look at what happened with Lola at the hospital? Whats the bet she has been doing the same with poor motherless Lucy?
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I'm still convinced Lucy's death and the whole Charlie/Dot/Yvonne/Nick storyline are connected somehow.
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Charlie's conversation with Yvonne seemed to indicate the following:
(1) Yvonne knew what Charlie was up to.
(2) Yvonne had had previous contact with a member of the Cotton family.
(3) Someone had been bothering Yvonne and what Charlie did had put an end to that.

I think one possibility is that Nick forced Charlie to fake his death/funeral by making threats to Yvonne. In that case, Yvonne is probably Charlie's mother and Nick his father, but Charlie is not a policeman.

Ronnie was conveniently with Dot when Charlie and the other fake(?) officer broke the news about Nick. I think there is a good chance that Ronnie was in on it and was there to ensure that it went off ok. I'm not sure why.

I suspect that there is a connection between this and Lucy's death, but again, I'm not sure what.
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Nick made two phonecalls to Dot when she was away. Poppy took them and told him that Dot didn't want to hear from him anymore.
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29 Jun 2014, 22:29
Charlie's conversation with Yvonne seemed to indicate the following:
(1) Yvonne knew what Charlie was up to.
(2) Yvonne had had previous contact with a member of the Cotton family.
(3) Someone had been bothering Yvonne and what Charlie did had put an end it that.

I think one possibility is that Nick forced Charlie to fake his death/funeral by making threats to Yvonne. In that case, Yvonne is probably Charlie's mother and Nick his father, but Charlie is not a policeman.

Ronnie was conveniently with Dot when Charlie and the other fake(?) officer broke the news about Nick. I think there is a good chance that Ronnie was in on it and was there to ensure that it went off ok. I'm not sure why.

I suspect that there is a connection between this and Lucy's death, but again, I'm not sure what.
Thats a good point about Ronnie being there. How often do we see Ronnie, or any of the Brannings for that matter visit Dot?
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I'm going back and forth now between Ronnie and Dean as the killer.

I'd actually like Mick to be the father of Ronnie's baby. The Carters and the Mitchells have an irreversible link.
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I've had a completely change of opinion. I don't think the killer is amongst them at all. I don't think we have seen them back on screen yet and I'm not referring to Ben.

If Steven pops up out of the blue this autumn, just in time for the curveball no less, there is your killer. ;)

This would explain why no character has shown any remorse for Lucy's death and the only person who acted in anyway that would be seen as suspicious was Whitney Dean. I know there is a theory the killer doesn't know what they have done but if this is to make sense then clues need to be planted. So far Whitney is the only one who has not pretended Lucy was anything other than a bitch and she has deleted evidence to stop herself from getting into trouble. So unless its right in our face and Whitney is indeed the killer I think we have been looking in all the wrong places.
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30 Jun 2014, 08:41
I've had a completely change of opinion. I don't think the killer is amongst them at all. I don't think we have seen them back on screen yet and I'm not referring to Ben.

If Steven pops up out of the blue this autumn, just in time for the curveball no less, there is your killer. ;)

This would explain why no character has shown any remorse for Lucy's death and the only person who acted in anyway that would be seen as suspicious was Whitney Dean. I know there is a theory the killer doesn't know what they have done but if this is to make sense then clues need to be planted. So far Whitney is the only one who has not pretended Lucy was anything other than a bitch and she has deleted evidence to stop herself from getting into trouble. So unless its right in our face and Whitney is indeed the killer I think we have been looking in all the wrong places.
There's no real reason why they shouldn't do this but generally there's certain conventions in crime writing which prevent solutions that aren't seen as a sort of "fair play" - the audience given clues in good time etc.

One of the advantages of having a story like this on a long running soap is that there are characters we know but who haven't really been "introduced" within this storyline. So it's interesting because Steven would be an acceptable solution to the mystery even though he hasn't featured in this storyline from the beginning, whereas in a novel or TV series which starts with the murder, it would seem bizarre to introduce him towards the end as the murderer as he'd be a new character and so seem unfair to the audience as they have no chance working out the mystery.

I think Ben would also be accepted as plausible even though he has only be reintroduced after the murder.

But, my opinion would be that DTC will respect the traditions of past crime writers (he loves Agatha Chrisitie) and would probably see either Steven or Ben coming in late as a bit of a cheat to the audience who weren't really given these clues close enough to the crime. I think both are excellent red herrings.
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