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| Who Killed Lucy?; All the theories | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: 20 Apr 2014, 05:49 (367,898 Views) | |
| Mrs Peel | 12 Jul 2014, 16:44 Post #661 |
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No focus on Peter, and yet Peter is the one person in the Beale household about whose whereabouts that night we know nothing. The viewers know now that Ian was with a prostitute, Rainie. Denise was returning home from a visit to Libby. She entered an empty house and called her daughter to say she'd decided to end it with Ian. We know that Cindy went looking for Ian but didn't find him. Peter? Last seen running out on overhearing something contained within an argument between Lucy and Ian. Lucy ran after him, but he was nowhere to be seen. In the real scheme of things, Ian and Peter would be the first two people on the suspect list of the police, once they'd sussed that Lucy's death wasn't a random mugging. In fact, they'd be all over them like a bad rash, and no one has questioned Peter's whereabouts that night. I'm still sticking with my Ronnie theory, but my second choice suspect is Peter, especially his reaction to Lee's return last night. |
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| NevermindMe | 12 Jul 2014, 17:19 Post #662 |
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I'm sticking with Denise, Abi or the Cokers. I too am hoping for a carefully filmed flashback episode that shows the movements of the primary characters involved from the point we last saw them all. |
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| The Other Slater Cousin | 12 Jul 2014, 17:26 Post #663 |
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Still think Abi is definitely involved. And yeah I think at least Les knows something about that night as well. |
| "I loved it in the Olden Days because you talked more. There’s more action now. You know, we would do scenes in the Rovers of me, Bet and Doris Speed with a cup of coffee each before we opened the pub, talking about absolute rubbish. But it was something, and it was what people do." - Betty Driver | |
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| MrJames | 12 Jul 2014, 17:38 Post #664 |
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I feel like I am somehow getting to caught up in my own naivety because I've abandoned the notion that Abi did it. But I'm glad I did, I'd be kind of annoyed if I thought it was her for the full ten months. I love how they squeezed Dean, Donna, Pam and Les into the show just before Lucy died just so they could be classed as suspects. Dean would be an interesting bet - imagine it. |
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| Walford East | 12 Jul 2014, 17:40 Post #665 |
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I think a flashback episode is a must. We can probably piece some of it together now. Lucy got the text and went to meet someone at the flats. Jake turned up there drunk, we have the CCTV footage of this on the EE homepage under the Lucy evidence section, Lucy took Jake back to Walford. Some how ended up bleeding and left her blood in his flat perhaps just by a simple nose bleed or maybe Lucy cut herself while trying to put Jake to bed. I honestly think the blood ended up there by as simple reason as this. If that is the case then a flashback is the only way we can find it out! Then Lucy leaves the flat and then catches Billy stealing stock from the chippie. They argue etc and then so on and so on with Lucy meeting all the various suspects until at the very end we see who delivered the fatal blow. I'm pretty sure a Whitney meet will have happened with them both exchanging slaps as well. I also think Peter and Cindy will have also both caught up with Lucy so there point of view is also crucial. Edit I just remembered something else. After Lucy's death, Billy was very quick to point the finger at Lee. So I reckon Billy will have seen Lee going off with Lucy at some point as well. So a flash back covering all the events is much needed to help us see it all from Lucy's point of few in her final hours. Its even more important if the actual killer has no idea they were responsible. Edited by Walford East, 12 Jul 2014, 18:22.
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| MrJames | 12 Jul 2014, 17:48 Post #666 |
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I am so glad people are warming to the flashback episode idea. Although we will know most of the events before the episode even airs, seeing it all play out and interlock after ten months build up will be electric, I don't see how it wouldn't. Mind, I think a full half an hour flashback 'missing' episode is the only way it will work though. |
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| Dave Sullivan | 12 Jul 2014, 17:50 Post #667 |
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I doubt Les and Pam had anything directly to do with Lucy's murder. Les knows Charlie's secret but beyond that he's out of the loop. We've all seen the killer onscreen we just don't know it yet whoever killed Lucy appeared onscreen on the 18th of April episode, it'll be a massive cop out if it wasn't the case. |
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| Walford East | 12 Jul 2014, 17:52 Post #668 |
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It would be interesting to see how they did do it. Perhaps after the confession or the killer realising what they have done it would work as a bubble episode. Similar to Twin Peaks - Fire Walk With Me. That way it doesn't need to be in sync with the continuing episodes but works as a nice treat for viewers who get to see all the events of the night as they happened. Edited by Walford East, 12 Jul 2014, 17:53.
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| Mrs Peel | 12 Jul 2014, 23:09 Post #669 |
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We don't know how Lucy's blood got into that flat. We don't even know if she went into the flat. because the cabbie said Jake was too drunk to stand and literally fell into the gutter. She begged the cabbie to help her take him inside, but the man drove off. He was about to tell Lauren something else, but Peter scared him away. She was either quarrelling with Billy about his bothering her about being left out of her business venture or his theft. Or both. Traces of Lucy's blood - traces, meaning the residue was so slight none of the residents of the flat noticed the stains on the skirting boards - were found in the kitchen of the flat. The police have said nothing about any other marks or wounds on Lucy's body other than her head wound, and we know that she wasn't killed at the flat. If Billy were in close enough contact with Lucy's killer, then he could have inadvertantly left blood residue in the flat. I'm still sticking with Ronnie/Charlie, but Peter is looking more suspicious. Why would Dean want to kill Lucy? She had nothing to do with his arrest and imprisonment the last time he was there. |
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| Mr Carter | 13 Jul 2014, 00:22 Post #670 |
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I think we may be indeed heading for a flashback episode/scenes of some sort, remember the way they didn't happen to show any of Ronnie and Roxy's party during her last episode? Well there is a reason for that because I think they will be showing it from a flashback. Something or someone was at that party I'm sure of it. |
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| Walford East | 13 Jul 2014, 07:17 Post #671 |
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The blood in the flat could have only come directly from Lucy. Blood isn't like DNA. Once out of the body blood dries very fast so would soak into shoes/clothes very quickly and make transfer very difficult. One of the main side effects of cocaine use is nose bleeds. Lucy being in the flat and suffering a small nose bleed is the only plausible option in my opinion. Maybe I've watched too much CSI! I actually think the blood thing is such a red herring to defer us from the direction of the real killer its not even worth taking much notice of. |
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| MrJames | 13 Jul 2014, 09:04 Post #672 |
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Lucy seems to have had a clumsy week. Falling in Max's office, blood and an earring in Aleks' flat.A bit of cocaine here, multiple love affairs there. Is it not possible that having two falls on the same place on the head could cause death? |
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| NevermindMe | 13 Jul 2014, 12:28 Post #673 |
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Maybe Dean killed Lucy because he resents her for his time in prison. If Patrick was never attacked then him and Chelsea would never have lied about Sean. Patricks attacker was Lucy's then boyfriend Craig, who incidentally brought the gun into the show which was responsible for Jane being shot. It's a long shot. |
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| Walford East | 13 Jul 2014, 12:47 Post #674 |
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That's one of the much better theories actually. Matt Di Angelo is only on a one year deal as well. Atlhough it could be extended but the current one takes him to April 2015. Also if you cast your mind back. There was several incidents of Dean watching Shirley in the shadows just prior to Lucy's murder. Perhaps Lucy caught him and questioned what he was doing. Edited by Walford East, 13 Jul 2014, 12:53.
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| Dave Sullivan | 13 Jul 2014, 13:25 Post #675 |
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The Dean theory isn't a bad one actually, he must've have been seen before he appeared standing in the Square gardens. On Dean himself, I don't think he's going to be around for long given the nature of his story with Linda. I can't see Mick taking kindly to his kid brother being 'over friendly' with his partner and I don't Stan likes him much either after Dean tried to scam him. |
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| The Other Slater Cousin | 13 Jul 2014, 13:34 Post #676 |
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The only thing about the Dean theory, which I personally would enjoy, it focuses a lot on a story from around 7 years previous, and involved a lot of characters that aren't around now. I think a lot of viewers wouldn't get it. |
| "I loved it in the Olden Days because you talked more. There’s more action now. You know, we would do scenes in the Rovers of me, Bet and Doris Speed with a cup of coffee each before we opened the pub, talking about absolute rubbish. But it was something, and it was what people do." - Betty Driver | |
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| NevermindMe | 13 Jul 2014, 13:44 Post #677 |
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It would explain why they've made a few references to Patricks attack. Giving him the stroke storyline there will probably be more references made to his attack. Dean reference Yolande when suggesting he should have apologised. Libby was brought back for the funeral, Janes been drafted back for the story and later permanently. Perhaps there's a plan for Chelsea to come along later. Edited by NevermindMe, 13 Jul 2014, 13:46.
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| eastend90 | 13 Jul 2014, 15:13 Post #678 |
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Here's something we shouldn't rule out through-Cindy has been absent for nearly 3 months (excluding the funeral) and since then the alibi she gave Ian has been revealed to be false (and of course lead to Rainie's return) her absence makes me think we shouldn't be ruling Cindy off the suspect list just yet- As to Billy now being the prime suspect i think it could be another red herring in the same way Jake was. |
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| NevermindMe | 13 Jul 2014, 15:24 Post #679 |
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There's also the distant relation of Dean to Lucy, albeit not as Kevin wasn't Deans dad but the legal line of family tree does link Dean to Lucy. I say that, I'm so confused by David and Simons parentage that I may be wrong. Simon is Petes while David's is Brian's? Brian was Kevin's uncle? So Lucy's uncles (Simon) half brothers (David) cousins (Kevin) adopted son is Dean? God that's confusing. |
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| Shamelessness | 13 Jul 2014, 15:51 Post #680 |
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Wrong way round; David is Pete's, Simon is Brian's. So if Kevin was Dean's dad, Steven would be Dean's second cousin, but he still wouldn't be related to Lucy. |
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