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Who Killed Lucy?; All the theories
Topic Started: 20 Apr 2014, 05:49 (367,895 Views)
Cupcake
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It looked like Peter to me.
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Kim
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I read an article that seemed to think it was Jay.
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Mrs Peel
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Jay was at Roxy's party. The morning after that, Jay ran into Abi in the Minute Mart where she was buying paracetamol for Max's hangover. Jay asked her why she hadn't attended the party the night before and asked if she wanted to help in the clean-up, and she got shirty with him.
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I can't believe anyone is reading anything seriously into the reflection on the phone.

I've fallen back at the door of Cindy. She fits the bill of everything that has been described so far - it's upsetting because she is a child, Lucy's sister and pregnant. She's everything that you would never expect a killer to be. Her time off-screen has meant she can deal with guilt off-screen, her immediate reaction was also off-screen. The message she left to Lucy on the night she died is a kind of double-bluff re-herring/clue.

Doesn't quite explain the burial of the phone or purse, I admit that.
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MrJames
25 Jul 2014, 10:33
Doesn't quite explain the burial of the phone or purse, I admit that.
Or how she managed to move the body to the Common.
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MrJames
25 Jul 2014, 10:33
I can't believe anyone is reading anything seriously into the reflection on the phone.
This was my thought and wasn't sure even if to post about it but thought whoever was putting out that the episode had been removed and they'd have to draw the story to a conclusion early was a pretty big claim to make (I think an original article appeared in Closer magazine).
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MrJames
25 Jul 2014, 10:33
I can't believe anyone is reading anything seriously into the reflection on the phone.

I've fallen back at the door of Cindy. She fits the bill of everything that has been described so far - it's upsetting because she is a child, Lucy's sister and pregnant. She's everything that you would never expect a killer to be. Her time off-screen has meant she can deal with guilt off-screen, her immediate reaction was also off-screen. The message she left to Lucy on the night she died is a kind of double-bluff re-herring/clue.

Doesn't quite explain the burial of the phone or purse, I admit that.

I doubt the allotment digger is the killer so that doesn't go against the Cindy theory.

If they play it "in the family" my choice would probably be Jane.
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25 Jul 2014, 11:53
MrJames
25 Jul 2014, 10:33
Doesn't quite explain the burial of the phone or purse, I admit that.
Or how she managed to move the body to the Common.
Has it been confirmed that the person that moved Lucy's body to the common was the same person that killed her? ^o)
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25 Jul 2014, 14:22
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25 Jul 2014, 11:53

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Has it been confirmed that the person that moved Lucy's body to the common was the same person that killed her? ^o)
No it hasn't.
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DirtyDen
25 Jul 2014, 15:46
Ross
25 Jul 2014, 14:22

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No it hasn't.
Exactly.

If Cindy killed Lucy, what's not to say somebody else moved her body?
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25 Jul 2014, 15:48
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25 Jul 2014, 15:46

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Exactly.

If Cindy killed Lucy, what's not to say somebody else moved her body?
And your point?

It has been established that Lucy wasn't killed on the Common, and the police have mentioned on two occasions to the Beales, that forensic evidence indicated her body had been moved there after she'd been killed. In other words, she was dumped and her purse and phone taken in order to make it look as though this was a mugging gone wrong.

There is no way Cindy could have moved Lucy's body to the Common, but whoever did would certainly be conscious that they were moving a dead body and not someone who was merely unconscious. So whoever did move her is an accomplice after the fact and can be prosecuted as a collaborator in the murder.

For anyone thinking that it's easy to move something like a corpse, even in the dead of night in an area as active 24/7 as East London is, it's not. Whoever moved her would most likely have had to have used a vehicle - otherwise carrying an adult like that is surely going to cause comment and get caught on CCTV - and then carried her to the remote place on the Common.

So who was Cindy's accomplice? TJ? Liam? Or did some stranger just come along and decide to move a dead body? Whoever moved Lucy's body was either the killer himself or someone helping the killer, herself.

Of course, if Cindy killed Lucy, someone else would have had to have moved her body, and either of those two schoolboys would have easily been spotted by the plethora of CCTV cameras in abundance all over the place, carrying/supporting/dragging her body through Walford.
Edited by Mrs Peel, 25 Jul 2014, 17:29.
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I think the point is that Cindy can't be ruled out as a suspect just because she would be unable to move the body. If Cindy killed her in or outside someone's house, and they found her body, they could have been worried the police would assume they did it. Especially if that person was also the person giving Lucy the drugs.

I was just thinking about who has a car in order to move her body, but I'm not sure that helps as it would narrow it down quite a lot and I'm sure the writers could have anyone steal/borrow a car if they wanted. I think the person who buried the phone moved her body, and I've only ruled out Cindy, Jane and Ronnie because they weren't in Walford, and Sharon because she was too scared to leave the house.
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I strongly doubt Lucy's killer is the same person who moved her body. I believe one person struck the fatal blow and either left her somewhere, or she collapsed in someone else's company and they moved the body in a panic. It's possible she was moved to the Common so she could be found more easily. Whether the person that moved Lucy knows who killed her is a different question altogether, but I wouldn't rule it out.
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Could someone has hit her, for all intents and purposes with the fatal blow but she didn't die immediately and then someone else met her, had an argument, hit her and then Lucy died? That person might think they killed her and tried to cover it up but really the final blow wasn't the one that killed her it was the one previous.

I'm also wondering if the person who buried the cell and purse in the allotment had nothing to do with the murder itself but was afraid that something on the phone could have implicated them. When I watched it the first time I thought it was Peter. I haven't gone back and re-watched, or freeze framed it (I'm not that obsessed), but even if Peter did bury the items, I don't think that means he did it or was the one to initially take them off Lucy's body.
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Out of interest, what outcome would you all want? In terms of who killed her and who was involved etc?

Edited by The Other Slater Cousin, 25 Jul 2014, 18:56.
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25 Jul 2014, 18:46
Could someone has hit her, for all intents and purposes with the fatal blow but she didn't die immediately and then someone else met her, had an argument, hit her and then Lucy died? That person might think they killed her and tried to cover it up but really the final blow wasn't the one that killed her it was the one previous.
That's what I think happened. Or the second person might not even have hit her, but she collapsed in front of them and they thought the police would suspect them if they reported her death. There could be four people involved though- whoever killed her, whoever moved her body, whoever gave her the drugs, and whoever stole her phone and buried it.

I'm not sure how finding the phone would help find out who buried it. Can text messages can be recovered if they were deleted?
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25 Jul 2014, 18:51
Out of interest, what outcome would you all want? In terms of who killed her and who was involved etc?

Im not too bothered about who the actual killer is. But I'd like peter to be involved in some way. Not in a way that ostracises him from his family, more in terms of a personal guilt. Perhaps he left her with someone or she valled him for help? Or even if he thinks hr did it but actually didnt. I'd be disappointed if he wasn't involved in some way.

as for recovering deleted texts, there was an article recently about a group of phones being brought second hand and almost everything was recovered from them even after factory resets!
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Katie
25 Jul 2014, 18:18
I think the point is that Cindy can't be ruled out as a suspect just because she would be unable to move the body. If Cindy killed her in or outside someone's house, and they found her body, they could have been worried the police would assume they did it. Especially if that person was also the person giving Lucy the drugs.

I was just thinking about who has a car in order to move her body, but I'm not sure that helps as it would narrow it down quite a lot and I'm sure the writers could have anyone steal/borrow a car if they wanted. I think the person who buried the phone moved her body, and I've only ruled out Cindy, Jane and Ronnie because they weren't in Walford, and Sharon because she was too scared to leave the house.
Ronnie most certainly was in Walford the night Cindy was killed. So was Charlie Cotton. And Ronnie has form and experience in moving bodies. And killing people also. Just saying.
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Sorry, I meant Ronnie wasn't in Walford when we saw the phone being buried at the allotments. She could have moved Lucy's body, it's just my guess that it was the same person doing both.
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The police told Ian that Lucy was not killed at the place her body was discovered. Why? Lucy had a head injury which was the cause of her death. The skin covering the skull is thin and very veinous. Ever bump your head slightly and bleed like a stuck pig? Head injuries bleed profusely. If she were struck with a blow hard enough to kill her, there would have been a plethora of blood all over the place where the death occurred. The total lack of blood around the ground and area where Lucy's body lay convinced the police that she was neither attacked nor did she die there.

The question is ... where did she die? Someplace there was a lot of blood that was either quickly cleaned/concealed or blended in with the surroundings. Last things first - the floor of the boxing club must be covered in dried/old blood. All you'd need to do was a cursory clean, but Jay was in the Minute Mart the next morning, buying bleach and disinfectant to clean Ronnie's and Roxy's new house after their party. Lucy could have been killed there, away from the partying majority in one room, Ronnie could have done a cursory clean to get rid of the surface blood, then cleaned with bleach and disinfectant more thoroughly the next day. If the music and partying were loud enough, people like Roxy etc wouldn't have even been aware what was taking place elsewhere in the house.
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