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| Who Killed Lucy?; All the theories | |
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| WalfordE20 | 5 Aug 2014, 02:42 Post #841 |
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They may have spoken for all we know. Also, I think it's important to establish where the bus was going. Lucy returned from Walford Common by taxi, but would possibly have taken the bus to get there. Maybe that's where Ben has been all this time. I can't piece it together yet, but the beanie incident on Good Friday is too much of a coincidence for the witness to have been someone else. |
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| MuteBanana | 5 Aug 2014, 03:54 Post #842 |
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I suppose I am going by a bit of spoiler. Just 'man sat behind her' is very different to 'a man she was. with' |
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| Professor Plum | 5 Aug 2014, 06:52 Post #843 |
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Watching those clips, its hard to tell (or maybe I am just too trusting! )Abi, now sporting a Carter hairdo was really defensive They made Dean look a bit psycho, the way he eyeballed the camera Les was lying through his teeth "theres nothing suspicious about me" - not much there aint! Lola came off quite jealous, like Abi. Surprised me a bit Peter is definitely feeling as if he is the silver medal to Lucys gold. Whitney is also lying through her teeth, they weren't close friends at all But apart from Lola, there are no Mitchells there. No Billy, no Roxy, no Alexis and no Ronnie. Also no other Carters, apart from the parents. I would like to see a bit more police activity (no, not in Maxs room, but actually on the case), as we aren't getting much info. Anyone know anything about that key Stacey left? Edited by Professor Plum, 5 Aug 2014, 07:22.
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| Walford East | 5 Aug 2014, 08:03 Post #844 |
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Jay was wearing a beanie in the episode Lucy was killed Dean was wearing a beanie in one of the shots where he was watching Shirley in the shadows and Charlie was wearing a beanie just a few weeks back. Charlie's sticks out to me most because I thought it looked strange for him to wear one of those. I need to find which episode it was. |
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| Shamelessness | 5 Aug 2014, 09:22 Post #845 |
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We should have started a topic just for clues and things like other characters' final interactions with Lucy, their alibis etc. I kept meaning to do it but as time's gone on there's too much to remember. |
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| Ross | 5 Aug 2014, 10:45 Post #846 |
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I'm pretty sure - for some reason or other - Jay was the one that buried Lucy's phone and purse. |
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| Mrs Peel | 5 Aug 2014, 11:00 Post #847 |
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Lucy seemed to get about a bit the day/night of her death - walking about the Square, getting a cab back from the common, taking a bus. Jay was also seen at the Minute Mart the morning after her death, buying bleach and disinfectant in order to clean Ronnie's and Roxy's house after the party. |
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| Jamie Fowler | 5 Aug 2014, 11:44 Post #848 |
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http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s2/eastenders/i709486-8/eastenders-4908-2014-08-15-news-of-lucys-murder-is-broadcast-on-television.html#~oM3ZimMyMriliW Jay's face in this picture is certainly intriguing. I did think his sudden beenie hat attire was odd, it did just seem to pop up around the time of the murder |
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| MrJames | 6 Aug 2014, 19:18 Post #849 |
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I wonder if this scene will ever see the light of day?![]() My life is so irrelevant until February 19th. |
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| WalfordE20 | 6 Aug 2014, 20:37 Post #850 |
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I'd totally forgotten about that scene. More pictures here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2588724/Hetti-Bywater-films-final-scenes-EastEnders-Lucy-Beale-10-month-whodunit.html We just have to get a flashback episode showing everything that happened on Good Friday. By the time February comes this mystery will have been running for ten whole months. We've already had countless twists and turns- and there's still six months to go. We need to see the following happen on-screen: Ian and Rainie Lucy meeting Jake Peter's whereabouts Lucy and Billy arguing Ronnie and Roxy's houseparty The murder itself and of course staging the mugging I'm excited just thinking about it. I wish they'd just confirm it. |
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| Shamelessness | 6 Aug 2014, 21:00 Post #851 |
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I've just thought - if they're going to film a flashback episode they'll need to cover up the fact that Lee's hair has grown. I wonder how they'll do that... Beanie hat anyone? |
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| The Other Slater Cousin | 6 Aug 2014, 21:01 Post #852 |
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There is no way this story can play out without a flashback episode at the end. I think that would be such an event for the 30th. |
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| WalfordE20 | 6 Aug 2014, 21:10 Post #853 |
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I've just watched the Good Friday episode again and a few things stuck out to me. Lee is the first face Lucy sees when she wakes up. Perhaps he was the last too. Masood clearly sees that Lucy is in distress when she drops her paperwork in the road. There has to be some significance to that scene. The reason the reveal is upsetting could be that Ian indirectly caused Lucy's death. Peter was angry with Lucy because Ian said she was his favourite. If he hadn't said anything then Peter wouldn't have been mad at her... After Lucy walks away from Max, she heads off in the direction of the Vic. Seconds later, Ronnie turns up and leads Charlie out of the pub. Peter and Lucy never got a final scene together. That in itself is rather sad- unless of course it wasn't the last time they saw each other. Obviously these aren't all significant. Maybe none of them are. What's clear though is that we need to see everything again from Lucy's perspective- ideally an hour-long episode. If we get a flashback for the anniversary I think I'll squeal with excitement. |
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| MrJames | 6 Aug 2014, 21:26 Post #854 |
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I've just been reading some of Diederick Santer's very many interviews and blogs from around the time of the 25th anniversary. He describes the Live episode and the secrecy surrounding the idenity of Archie's killer as a 'new and exciting' experience for the audience and describes EastEnders as a show that constantly takes 'creative risks'. a) Whether you liked him or not that man had a p-a-s-s-i-o-n for this show. How did we allow Kirkwood and Newman to follow him? b) That ^ literally sounds like the blueprint for an all new and risky viewing experience i.e. a flashback episode. Yeah, there will have to plan everything intricately. Haircuts and hair colours will have to be near-perfect. I reckon that's why Lucy's hair was tied up when she died. They don't need to worry about length then. (How I Met Your Mother are pretty flawless at this kind of thing) I don't want to build it up too much in case it doesn't happen, but surely they realise how brilliant it would be. The other soaps would be left in EastEnders wake that's for sure. |
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| Blades' receptionist | 6 Aug 2014, 21:33 Post #855 |
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I thought about that too! Maybe Lee will start wearing a hat in current episodes so it won't be as much of a difference seeing it in a flashback. I also always thought there must have been a reason why Dean appeared the week before Lucy died and wasn't seen again for a month - was it to put him in the mix of suspects on purpose? It must have been as he's one of the 12 suspects that has filmed an alibi...although minding his own business isn't an alibi! We also saw, who we presume was him, watching Shirley in the shadows, and then of course when he was in the Square when we saw him for the first time - is that to show that he can hide easily?!! |
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| MrJames | 6 Aug 2014, 21:39 Post #856 |
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Dean, Lee, Donna, Pam, Les and Tosh were all very cleverly snuck into place just in time for Lucy's death. And Ben was also later revealed to be out of prison before her death. It's all so very neat and tidy. |
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| Katie | 6 Aug 2014, 21:42 Post #857 |
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I also re-watched the episode where Lucy died, but I've lost track of what happened when. Did Lucy definitely meet Jake and come back to the house with him after the last scene we saw of her alive? Did she speak to Billy before or after meeting Jake? Between Lucy's scene with Max and her final scene outside the house there's a short scene in the Vic before Denise arrives home. Is everyone assuming those scenes were in real time, or could there actually have been a bigger time gap between Lucy's two scenes where something else could have happened? I'm really hoping they'll be a flashback episode as well. I'd like a whole episode, not just flashbacks within an episode. |
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| WalfordE20 | 6 Aug 2014, 21:48 Post #858 |
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The last time we saw Lucy alive she was heading off to meet Jake. What happened when she returned is obviously still in question, but he spoke to Billy after arriving back on the Square, which is why he was released from prison as it was proven she was still alive after taking him home. I think Lucy really was outside when Denise got home. If you listen closely you hear a taxi drive away as she stands against the wall, which most likely is the one Denise just got out of. I don't want to get my hopes up but I'll be bitterly disappointed if there's no flashbacks. As MrJames said everything fits together nicely, and dialogue couldn't possibly do justice to such a complex story. We have to see it all for ourselves. |
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| Professor Plum | 6 Aug 2014, 21:53 Post #859 |
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| Katie | 6 Aug 2014, 21:59 Post #860 |
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Thanks for the reply. I know Lucy was outside the house when Denise arrived, but I was wondering if the time between her scene with Max and her scene outside the house was actually longer than the scene in the Vic which came in between. |
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