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Who Killed Lucy?; All the theories
Topic Started: 20 Apr 2014, 05:49 (367,885 Views)
Ross
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After tonight's episode, I'm starting to sway more towards Lola instead of Denise now. I'm still pretty certain that (for whatever reason), somebody else moved Lucy's body.
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13 Aug 2014, 01:19
It's pretty much a given that we will get an EE Revealed or some sort of special for the 30th, right?
It will be an interesting. All the nostalgia and historical lookback is still quite present from the 25th anniversary, so I don't think they'd need to repeat any of that.

But a revealed about the storyline beginning to end would be brilliant - it may be online rather than on television though.
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13 Aug 2014, 01:07
And let's not forget that we still need to know what Billy was doing with those pictures and why Shabnam felt the need to take the 'ROT IN HELL' note out of the bin.

They could just be there to throw us off the scent, or they may have been placed there for a distinct reason.

Peter and the Masoods are at the very top of my list for the next secret/revelation/involvement. I think the latter will come around when Jane's back.

Once the story is done, I'd love to see all of the great mystery stuff pieced together in a compilation. It'd make for a great film.
Personally I think the collection of photos were to do with Lola but Billy found out about them and was trying to protect Lola by disposing of them.
Perhaps she found herself extremely jealous of Lucy for a variety of reasons. Maybe she couldn't stand how close Lucy was to Peter. Lola seems to be unhealthily driven by wanting to be the centre of Peter's world. It could just be great insecurity and the need to feel loved, maybe stemming from her upbringing before she found Billy and had Lola.
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13 Aug 2014, 05:03
MrJames
13 Aug 2014, 01:07
And let's not forget that we still need to know what Billy was doing with those pictures and why Shabnam felt the need to take the 'ROT IN HELL' note out of the bin.

They could just be there to throw us off the scent, or they may have been placed there for a distinct reason.

Peter and the Masoods are at the very top of my list for the next secret/revelation/involvement. I think the latter will come around when Jane's back.

Once the story is done, I'd love to see all of the great mystery stuff pieced together in a compilation. It'd make for a great film.
Personally I think the collection of photos were to do with Lola but Billy found out about them and was trying to protect Lola by disposing of them.
Perhaps she found herself extremely jealous of Lucy for a variety of reasons. Maybe she couldn't stand how close Lucy was to Peter. Lola seems to be unhealthily driven by wanting to be the centre of Peter's world. It could just be great insecurity and the need to feel loved, maybe stemming from her upbringing before she found Billy and had Lola.
BIB: I disagree. Lola is Peter's girlfriend. She's cognizant of the fact that, prior to moving in with her, Peter pursued her. Not the other way around. He was the one to show an interest, and even though she was friendly toward him, she in no way pursued him romantically, nor did she play the obvious hard-to-get game the way Whitney did with Lee, to the point of Peter sweeping her up and kissing her very publically in the Square.

Almost immediately he moved in with her, in defiance of Phil's and Ian's disapproval, he changed, and this was well before Lucy was killed. He started being passive-aggressive, "suggesting" a career change for her based on what he thought would be more socially acceptable to his perceived middle class "standing" for her, rather than encouraging her to continue on the career path for which she was trained.

Lola's not stupid, but she is very young, and she genuinely loves Peter - so much so that she was willing to do what he wanted, despite people like Jay telling her that if a childcare career didn't interest her, she should tell Peter as much (whilst Jay, himself, was trying the same sort of tactic with Abi regarding university choice - hypocrite much?).

Since Lucy's death, Lola's done no more than anybody's girlfriend or boyfriend would have done regarding a partner in mourning - she's tried to be there for him, every step of the way. Instead, Peter's been cold, condescending, rude, short and even aggressive. He's openly shunned her in order to spend time with Lauren, whom he kissed only days after Lucy's death was made known. Lola is aware of his off-handedness, and various people, even Billy, have upbraided him about the way he speaks and treats Lola. This has all resulted in her becoming very insecure in a relationship she neither pursued nor encouraged; at the same time, she's all too aware of the attention Peter is giving Lauren, which feeds her insecurities as well.

Lola deserves better than Peter, and Denise deserves better than Ian. Neither of the Beales have come out of this looking particularly good.
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#TeamLola #TeamDenise
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I want Lola to dump Peter and treat him with ignorance and scorn. He's treated her shockingly, and his sister's death does not excuse that
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The more and more people talk about Lola the more I think she is fast becoming a major part of this story. It even plays quite tragic. If you cast your minds back. Peter totally out of the blue, and even out of character, wanted Lola to change who she was and be more Lucy like. What if she was jealous of Lucy's relationship with Peter? what if Billy caught Lola looking at those photos while trying to style herself as Lucy? I think those pictures in hindslight were Lola's and I forgot about her alibi video too. The things she says there would tie in with that theory. There have been lots of little scenes since then too.

Don't know if I would brand her as the killer yet but I'm betting they had some sort of altercation on Good Friday we are still yet to find out about.
Edited by Walford East, 13 Aug 2014, 11:59.
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From the beginning, Lola was always in the back of my head as a possible suspect particularly due to her lack of screen time just after the demise of Lucy. Also, when Billy was in Tosh and Tina's flat tampering with their leckie metre, Lola seemed very unstable and frightened of any police interference. Now that the alibi videos have been introduced, it seems really neat (but perhaps too obvious.) I think it would be great if Lola was the killer as it is not the total obvious choice but not completely obscure. I'm sure Danielle Harold would deliver excellent performances in the reveal if it turned out to be Lola. However, at the same time, I don't want it to be Lola as I really like her as a character and Danielle as an actress and it would probably (no doubt) result in Danielle leaving the show. AHHHHH, I'm torn!
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13 Aug 2014, 15:29
From the beginning, Lola was always in the back of my head as a possible suspect particularly due to her lack of screen time just after the demise of Lucy. Also, when Billy was in Tosh and Tina's flat tampering with their leckie metre, Lola seemed very unstable and frightened of any police interference. Now that the alibi videos have been introduced, it seems really neat (but perhaps too obvious.) I think it would be great if Lola was the killer as it is not the total obvious choice but not completely obscure. I'm sure Danielle Harold would deliver excellent performances in the reveal if it turned out to be Lola. However, at the same time, I don't want it to be Lola as I really like her as a character and Danielle as an actress and it would probably (no doubt) result in Danielle leaving the show. AHHHHH, I'm torn!
One question: How did Lola get Lucy's body from wherever it was she killed her to the Common? Lucy was hardly a big girl, but she was tall, and Lola is tiny, herself. If Lucy had to take a bus to the Common, then whoever killed her had to have the transport means to take her body there.
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If it was Lola, she was helped. The idea of someone without their own transport walking with Lucy's body to the Common or using public transport (including taxis) to the Common without anyone noticing a body would be ridiculous. If it was an individual who received no help in Lucy's body, they have to have driven and had to have their own transport immediately to hand.

I feel very sorry for Lola. She is with a guy who she thought loved her but actually views her with contempt, one of the lower classes who should feel lucky to be with him and is there to put him up for free and give him a good shag when he wants it. Lauren appeals to his sense of middle-class superiority and arrogance, she's worthier of being confided in to Peter.

Ian's worst traits really rubbed off on his kids.

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Also, Lucy definitely sees Jay and seems to wonder what he's doing there which is interesting.

The other thing, did anyone notice under Lucy's eye? There was something that looked like a large smudge or a bruise, suggesting that someone had either hit her or she'd been crying in between leaving the Square and getting on the bus about five minutes later.
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14 Aug 2014, 11:21
Also, Lucy definitely sees Jay and seems to wonder what he's doing there which is interesting.

The other thing, did anyone notice under Lucy's eye? There was something that looked like a large smudge or a bruise, suggesting that someone had either hit her or she'd been crying in between leaving the Square and getting on the bus about five minutes later.
There was no bruise there when she was in the morgue, so I'm pretty sure it was mascara.
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14 Aug 2014, 11:43
Dan
14 Aug 2014, 11:21
Also, Lucy definitely sees Jay and seems to wonder what he's doing there which is interesting.

The other thing, did anyone notice under Lucy's eye? There was something that looked like a large smudge or a bruise, suggesting that someone had either hit her or she'd been crying in between leaving the Square and getting on the bus about five minutes later.
There was no bruise there when she was in the morgue, so I'm pretty sure it was mascara.
They put make-up on corpses to make them look more normal.
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14 Aug 2014, 11:56
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14 Aug 2014, 11:43

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They put make-up on corpses to make them look more normal.
Ah right! That's interesting.

Wouldn't there have been a mention of her having a bruise on her face when her body was found by now, though?
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We also saw her body in the Common and I don't remember seeing a bruise, though I do think we only saw one half of her face and I can't remember which side.

It did look as if she'd been crying though, so I reckon it was mascara. Though, of course, she could be crying because she's just been punched in the face.

EDIT: It's not great quality but this is how Lucy was found by the little girl.

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Yeah, it probably was mascara due to her crying but it did strike me as interesting.

She left the Square at 19:59, got on the bus at 20:06, arrived at the Common at 20:22 and died in between 21:30 and midnight.

This means she got the bus straight after leaving the Square and may have been crying at the bus stop due to whoever had text her or anything someone may have said en route although it would have had to have been quick and to the point. Her argument with Billy must have taken place upon her return to the Square and after helping Jake into the flat. Her movements there are unknown and we are also 99.9% sure that Jay was on the same bus as Lucy and that he got off at the same stop as her.

My belief is that Jay went to see Ben. He doesn't want to tell the police this and he knows what Ben and Phil are capable of when they think they have been betrayed. He may or may not have spoken to Lucy en route to their respective meetings with Ben and Jake and this could be important especially if Lucy figured that he was meeting Ben.

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If it was Lola, she had to have had an accomplice. She certainly couldn't have moved the body on her own. I can imagine her having some sort of confrontation with Lucy, it getting out of hand and her lashing out. But afterwards, who would she have called to help her in a situation like that? Definitely not Peter. Logic says it would be either Billy or Jay. We know Jay had already left the party, presumably to see Ben, but where did he go after that? Did he go back to the party, and if he did was it straight away? He works at the Arches so he would also have had access to vehicles.

I'm probably way off anyway lol.
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This may seem very far-fetched but I wonder if Jay was doing a Max and maybe took one of the keys to the flats Lauren and Lucy were selling to have a secret liaison with Lola. He probably could have easily have taken keys from the Branning house as he spent time with Abi. Only a few weeks before the murder when Lola was ran over, Jay admitted his feelings for her. Perhaps Jay was getting on a bus to the flats (hence why he was on CCTV), to meet Lola. As far as I remember, Lola's whereabouts were sketchy the night of the murder. She maybe left the square earlier to meet Jay at the flats. The CCTV footage, I feel, showed 'Jay' getting off the bus fast in the same direction as Lucy. Perhaps Lucy noticed Lola waiting at the flat, and put 2 and 2 together and threatened to rumble a possible affair between Jay and Lola which culminated in Lucy's attack. I could see both Jay and Lola moving Lucy's body to the Common.

Again, this is definitely very far fetched but I've suddenly become hooked with this story!

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14 Aug 2014, 11:10
If it was Lola, she was helped. The idea of someone without their own transport walking with Lucy's body to the Common or using public transport (including taxis) to the Common without anyone noticing a body would be ridiculous. If it was an individual who received no help in Lucy's body, they have to have driven and had to have their own transport immediately to hand.

I feel very sorry for Lola. She is with a guy who she thought loved her but actually views her with contempt, one of the lower classes who should feel lucky to be with him and is there to put him up for free and give him a good shag when he wants it. Lauren appeals to his sense of middle-class superiority and arrogance, she's worthier of being confided in to Peter.

Ian's worst traits really rubbed off on his kids.

I have to say it, but Peter is a deadbeat and a moocher.

He was nineteen when he returned from Devon. When he left Walford, the plan was for him to complete his A-Levels there. I know Lucy got waylaid by Ian's breakdown when she was trying to do her exams, but do we know what happened with Peter and his? Was he studying in Devon? Was he working at any job? All we heard about were the surfing and swimming forays which resulted in the death of one of his friends. Now he's back fronting a fruit and veg stall and waiting around to claim his inheritance from Ian, I suppose. His only ambition is to swan around the world seeing the sights and being funded by dear old dad. What happened to uni? Ian and the twins were always talking about that, and at one time Peter was being presented as a gifted track athlete.

What annoys me is that he pursued Lola. He made her believe that he loved her and moved in with her. Billy is strapped for cash, and she's unemployed. He doesn't have to financially support them, but when they run out of milk, instead of him chipping in and buying a pint, he ambles over to Ian's for his breakfast, where he shovels cereal into his gob as if he's starving, talks with his mouth full and generally has the manners of a lout. Yet he looks down his nose at Lola as if she's only good for one thing.

At least Lola's never tried to kill anyone, and she isn't a moral hypocrite like Lauren.
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14 Aug 2014, 11:21
Also, Lucy definitely sees Jay and seems to wonder what he's doing there which is interesting.

The other thing, did anyone notice under Lucy's eye? There was something that looked like a large smudge or a bruise, suggesting that someone had either hit her or she'd been crying in between leaving the Square and getting on the bus about five minutes later.
If that's Jay, he's on his way to meet Ben.

Lucy went to the Common by bus, after her encounter with Max, which came on the heels of her argument with Ian. She could have been upset, and that could have been smudged make-up.
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