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Who Killed Lucy?; All the theories
Topic Started: 20 Apr 2014, 05:49 (367,884 Views)
CivvyStreet
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I think what's interesting about any involvement Jay may have had is from the storylines that immediately preceded and seemed to stop abruptly.

Not only did Jay reveal how he felt about Lola but Ronnie also said she was Lola's mum in the hospital. What if Ronnie intervened in an argument between Lucy and Lola?

As Lola and others went into the party - Lola made a catty remark to Lucy. Something like, 'you two had a fall out?' (About Lucy and Peter) so it wouldn't surprise me if they'd been arguing. There was also a scene a few weeks (?) before where Lucy looked at Lola's business cards (that Jay helped her hand out) with condescension. This never went anywhere unless it went off-screen.

Mrs Peel, agree totally on the dynamics of Peter / Lola but do you think some of that might be down to differences in LN's and DTC's vision of the characters? They did get together during DTC's shows but it was something all set-up from New Forest and some easy happy scenes to mix in with all the Xmas drama. Peter's character has definitely had a step change though.

Going off on a bit of a tangent, I think Ben Hardy has proved himself a very good actor but I occassionally wonder if he's written as slightly posh (which works for the socially aspiring snobbish Beales) or if this is because Hardy is a well spoken sort which exaggerates this part of Peter...

Edited by CivvyStreet, 14 Aug 2014, 17:02.
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Mrs Peel
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If a man killed Lucy, he had to have access to private transport to move and dump her body on the Common. If a woman killed her, she either had to have the same, or she had a male accomplice who was able to move the body without anyone suspecting.
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Despite the fact he's a monumental twat these days, this is the most watchable and interesting I've ever found Peter Beale. At least he has a personality now.
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'Trauma to the head' is also still so vague.

I think Lucy was probably killed right under our noses. I don't think she was killed in Jake's flat or on George street, I reckon she was killed right in the middle of the Square, which would make it all the more tragic. The one place she should have been safe.

And I think some kind of ironic/iconic Walford-weapon was used. Maybe she banged her head on Arthur's bench (extreme I know) or a metal pole from one of the market stalls.

We need a flashback.
Edited by MrJames, 15 Aug 2014, 01:18.
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Imagine we didn't get a flashback episode though? I feel like it's the only way to really tie up this storyline.

I actually really miss Lucy. I actually think she was a really strong part of the Beales and they do suffer a bit without her. I guess that's why this storyline is so sad, because the one who died is the one who had so much to give.
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I'm still not certain the person who moved the body is the same person or involved with the person who did kill Lucy.

It will be one of those twists. Character X will confess to being with Lucy when she collapsed and died, paniced and moved her body to the common in fear of going to jail or whatever. I think this could potential be someone like Ben or Nick who have reasons to be afraid of going to jail, being caught with the body.

But it will transpire they didn't give the final blow. And that's who will be revealed as the true killer. But it probably won't stand up in court, someone like Lola say, had an arguement and made Lucy bang her head. But she died from it due to her previous fall in the car lot.

I also think someone found Lucy before that little girl and they were the ones who burried the purse and phone. Why they took them I'm unsure at the moment.
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I keep thinking about how a young woman like Abi or Lola could have moved Lucy's body but then I always think back to when Lauren ran over Max, she managed to start the car without stalling, hit him then drive out of the Square like Lewis Hamilton. All without ever driving a car previously.
Edited by Walford East, 15 Aug 2014, 11:04.
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There's also no shortage of access to cars in the Square as well - plenty of characters are able to access the car lot, the Arches or one of the resident's cars. And if everyone was at the party, they probably wouldn't have noticed.

But I do agree that the person who moved her body probably wasn't the one who killed her. I actually think Lucy might not have died straight away - perhaps a stumble round the Square a la Pauline, only to then be found by someone else who panicked.
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Lucy was a well-known resident of the Square. Rather than surreptitiously moving her body, if she did, indeed, collapse on the Square, whoever found her would be inclined to alert Ian and everyone else to the fact that she was where she was.

Also, the police quite clearly indicated from the getgo that Lucy's head trauma was an open wound which bled. Yes, a subdural clot caused by a blow would cause death (a la Pauline), but the lack of blood at the scene on the Common, as stated by the police, gave them reason to think and state that she couldn't have been killed there - which meant the blow to her head must have resulted in an open wound. The skull is very veinous and covered only by a thin layer of skin, so even the most minimum wound bleeds profusely.

The placing of the body on the Common and the taking of Lucy's phone and purse were efforts to make her death look like a random mugging.

Jay was seen buying bleach and cleaning accoutrements at the Mini Mart the day her body was discovered, telling Abi that Ronnie wanted her house "cleaned" after the party.

Just saying.

If Lucy were killed in that house, she wouldn't be the first person to have met her end there. Michael, anyone?
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15 Aug 2014, 12:40
If Lucy were killed in that house, she wouldn't be the first person to have met her end there. Michael, anyone?
If I remember rightly, before they actually bought the house, Ronnie or Roxy made a comment about Michael dying in there, they might have even said it was cursed, or something similar.
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I think judging by Jay's reaction to the bus CCTV, he didn't know that Lucy had been on the same bus as him and didn't see or speak to her that night. He was very relaxed about the appeal and he only looked shocked when he saw himself.

I don't think he had direct involvement, I think he was on his way to Ben and doesn't want to reveal this as the last person who Ben thought betrayed him ended up dead and Phil will put Jay in hospital first and ask questions later if he felt Jay had gone behind his back. He beat the daylights out of Jamie for not revealing the whereabouts of one of his children and he cared about Jamie far more than he cares about Jay.

However, judging by Lucy's look, she saw him. I wonder if she followed Jay out of curiosity as she did seem to wonder what he was doing there. Perhaps she saw Ben and Ben saw her, unknown to Jay...

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Someone on DS has come up with a great theory about how Rainie might have killed Lucy (via accident) after Lucy saw her with Ian. Due to Tanya Franks being contracted with the show until February its certainly one of the more plausible one's I've seen posted and Rainie is a character that is very easy to get rid of. That would be 'sad' as Ian would have to deal with the fact him going off with Rainie ultimately led to Lucy's death. I also think Rainie would fit the staged mugging. Although I think Whitney stole Lucy's purse and phone meaning she came across her body at some point. More hasn't been made of the fact Whitney deleted those messages from her social media page. I would assume Lucy's phone would contain similar texts.
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Do we have a source for Tanya Franks being under contract until February?
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15 Aug 2014, 19:07
Do we have a source for Tanya Franks being under contract until February?
I believe she confirmed it on a 'behind the scenes' video posted on Digital Spy. I'll try and find it :)

EDIT: Just found the video, and she doesn't mention a thing about being there until February! :O I have no clue where the rumours have come from in that case! :huh: Sorry!
Edited by Ross, 15 Aug 2014, 22:30.
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I wonder if Jac Jossa's pregnancy has thrown a spanner into the murder storyline?
"I loved it in the Olden Days because you talked more. There’s more action now. You know, we would do scenes in the Rovers of me, Bet and Doris Speed with a cup of coffee each before we opened the pub, talking about absolute rubbish. But it was something, and it was what people do." - Betty Driver
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Have we all seen this? http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p024vl3l
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16 Aug 2014, 01:57
Apparently the police haven't because it's the kind of thing they should have shown on the appeal.
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So Jay almost definitely didn't see that Lucy was on the same bus then.
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Is that Lee that runs on after Lucy? :O
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No it's just a woman running for the bus I think - she's the last one to get on the bus. I think she sits next to Jay.
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