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Who Killed Lucy?; All the theories
Topic Started: 20 Apr 2014, 05:49 (367,883 Views)
Shamelessness
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Yeah it's the blonde woman next to Jay - I had to watch it 5 or 6 times to figure out who it was!
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I still think Lucy's injury from the car lot has to be significant. Whether it's a red herring to implicate Max or something more I can't tell, but what I am sure of is that we haven't heard the last of it.
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Mama K
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Got it. (I think!) Lucy Beale killed Lucy Beale.

It fits the criteria, doesn't it? Not suicide - she didn't mean to die. Maybe a too-pure or too-cut fix, left her disoriented and wandering, then she fell and hit her head. Hypothermia? Dehydration?

I'll have a fiver on LUCY BEALE did it. That is all.
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I'm seeing a few complaints at the moment that this story has become dull and boring. While I think Ian's secret is being dragged out too long, I wouldn't say the same about the murder mystery- though I do agree it needs another kick. What would be the best way to restore viewer interest?
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I think it's all about patience personally.

I can understand that for some viewers it's moving too slowly with not enough development - why should we we care what's happening in the future, it should be happening now? But I prefer to look at the bigger picture. Every time a new character becomes involved there is a new twist in the tale - and something else about Lucy's last hours alive come to light.

We're at the four-month mark now, and the revelations are speeding up. It's a terrible metaphor, but this story really is like a roller-coaster. Slow and steady at the first but constantly getting faster and faster to the point that January and February really should be unstoppable. And I am really enjoying that ride. When the story finally ends I am positive we will look back on it and see what a genius, multi-layered plot it was.

It's very brave to have such a huge arc over almost a year.
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They are just focusing far to much on the Ian/Rainie part.
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I know they are trying to give Ian a more complex role in this story, but I think it's failed. During the appeal, I felt nothing for him, because all Ian has been focusing on is making sure Patrick is unable to tell Denise anything despite just having a major stroke, and letting Mick's name be dragged through the mud to cover his tracks. He is vile, and I'd much rather they focused Ian as a man who misses his daughter, as opposed to some dirty, weasely pervert.

The focus on this has lost my interest for the moment. The murder mystery angle still has me hooked, but without Jane, Cindy and Bobby, and with Ian and Peter both being extremely unlikeable right now, the "personal grieving" side of the story is just something I'm sick of watching.
"I loved it in the Olden Days because you talked more. There’s more action now. You know, we would do scenes in the Rovers of me, Bet and Doris Speed with a cup of coffee each before we opened the pub, talking about absolute rubbish. But it was something, and it was what people do." - Betty Driver
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I actually think the worst thing about about the Ian/Rainie twist is Ian himself. The rest of it is great I think. It's a delight to have Tanya Franks back and Rainie's scenes with Cora and Phil have been brilliant, Mick and Linda finding themselves in this lose/lose situation and Linda's fierce fued with Cora - that's all come off the back of that twist and I think that's all great.

Obviously it falls under the 'Who Killed Lucy?' umbrella, but has also become entwined with Patrick's stroke and Dean's obsession with Linda. As several others have mentioned - I'm very wary of Patrick's story at the moment. So far it has centred around Ian and his questionable conscious and that isn't good. But by the same token I am equally impressed that they have managed to keep an element of drama running through that story. There is a limited amount of screen time that can be given to someone in a hospital bed that can't speak at the moment. I know that sounds horrible, but in terms of story logistics I do think it's the truth. So by adding Ian's secret to the mix, it adds a layer of 'drama' that keeps that story alive in a 'different' kind of way. Hopefully the main hit of Patrick's story will be in his recovery back on the Square.

I've said this already but I am so thoroughly impressed with how all of these various stories are intertwining and crossing over with each other. It feels like one collective body of work at the moment rather than just storyline A, B and C. One scene or one moment of character interaction can develop about three different plots. Just look at Carol a few week ago. Casually ricocheting her way through everyone else's stories before nipping into hospital to get a double mastectomy. I love that.
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WalfordE20
16 Aug 2014, 18:18
I still think Lucy's injury from the car lot has to be significant. Whether it's a red herring to implicate Max or something more I can't tell, but what I am sure of is that we haven't heard the last of it.
Wasn't one of the quotes from the show that the killer doesn't even know they did it?

Might not be Max though but perhaps another person fought with Lucy which added to the first injury.
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MrJames
17 Aug 2014, 03:44


I've said this already but I am so thoroughly impressed with how all of these various stories are intertwining and crossing over with each other. It feels like one collective body of work at the moment rather than just storyline A, B and C. One scene or one moment of character interaction can develop about three different plots.
While some episodes may be a bit disappointing I do appreciate that we are presented with an ensemble piece in which all the characters play a part and storylines become intertwined in unexpected ways, creating a sense of anticipation and curiosity.
My only criticism would be that I'd like to see less emphasis on the mystery element (whodunnit) and a bit more attention for the everyday human drama. It would be nice if we had a few scenes with Carol and Patrick, just to see how they are getting on.
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http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/5687341
Tanya Franks thoughts

Edited by Shaz1022, 18 Aug 2014, 23:27.
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I still wonder whether DTC is doing an M.Night Shyamalan with clues. In the "There's a killer among them" trailer, Abi is placed front centre in a bright red coat. Shyamalan often uses red as a big clue, pointing towards death or killers.

Further to this, Abi was quite out of character at some crucial times in the story - she didn't want to attend the funeral, which, despite her knowing Max's secret at the time, no one else dud. It would have looked weird if they hadn't been there, especially as Lucy was Lauren's best friend, and Abi is really intelligent enough to see that.

Secondly, she was rather eager to give Max's office a full cleaning on learning of his altercation with Lucy. I personally believe old Abi would have insisted Max go to the police and get himself cleared legitimately, rather than conceal potential evidence on his behalf. If it was Max, Abi has made herself an accessory, and again, she us intelligent enough to realise that.

Finally, drunk Abi. Abi drinking in itself is incongruous, especially given her sister and aunt's problems, but I'll put that down to exam nerves. It was her reaction to Phil storming in that was out of character. For a normally sensitive character, and one who in the past has been rather nervous oof Phil, her laughter and declaration that "that was mental!" was misplaced, and almost a little sociopathic.

I'm not saying she did it, but I think she had some involvement. I'm not sure how 'upsetting' it would be, but a previously 'good' character (that was said a lot in the results episode too) inadvertently contributing to someone's death is quite upsetting in itself.
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Judging by how intricately this plot has played out so far - I'd say that whoever was in the pub when Ian confronted Billy is definitely involved. So that's Jay, Phil, Patrick, Whitney, Lauren, Max, Mick and Linda. I'd say that was probably our biggest clue so far and not at all a red herring.
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I keep seeing shots (like the one of Lee lurking in the cafe last week) and thinking "that'll be in the Lucy revealed in February".
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20 Aug 2014, 14:41
I keep seeing shots (like the one of Lee lurking in the cafe last week) and thinking "that'll be in the Lucy revealed in February".
I noticed that! And Shabnam walking past Billy and Lola when they were stood outside of the Beales a few weeks ago.
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Ben Hardy's views

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz-tv/hot-tv/395444/EastEnders-Ben-Hardy-I-think-Peter-Beale-killed-Lucy

I don't think it is him , I wonder why he has put himself in the frame though , maybe he is leaving around that time and also Jacqueline Jossa is going to disappear from screen early next year too . Lauren and Peter probably leave together .

I just don't think Peter killed Lucy especially with his desperation to find out who did .
Edited by Shaz1022, 20 Aug 2014, 19:43.
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Has anyone seen the CCTV from the Walford Commons park? Who are the people talking in that and what are they going on about? :lol:
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This one? http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p024s2pg

It sounds to me like members of the production team criticising the storyline. I've transcribed it below:

"A whole minute, right?"
"A whole minute."
"But, you know, unless people are honest we can't...backstage video"
"Well they should've asked for a backstage video... The problem is with all this secret squirrel stuff, they're gonna shoot themselves in the foot because people don't know the story."
"Yeah, exactly."
"It's like, I get the idea but-"
"You've got to start trusting people."
"You've got to start trusting people."
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Is Hetti still filming with the show? Or is the CCTV stuff from before she left?
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23 Aug 2014, 19:19
This one? http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p024s2pg

It sounds to me like members of the production team criticising the storyline. I've transcribed it below:

"A whole minute, right?"
"A whole minute."
"But, you know, unless people are honest we can't...backstage video"
"Well they should've asked for a backstage video... The problem is with all this secret squirrel stuff, they're gonna shoot themselves in the foot because people don't know the story."
"Yeah, exactly."
"It's like, I get the idea but-"
"You've got to start trusting people."
"You've got to start trusting people."
Does it really? Haha.
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