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Who Killed Lucy?; All the theories
Topic Started: 20 Apr 2014, 05:49 (367,927 Views)
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Whatever the timeline at the end of the episode, Denise returned before Lucy left Walford. She goes into the house, then the next shot we see is Lucy standing outside. It's possible there was a time gap between those two sbots though.
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I'm thinking maybe if Peter saw Lucy before she got to flats maybe? and maybe push her over and walks off back to Walford? then next day of course he starts to think he killed Lucy? lame theory, I do how ever think my Jane theory could work it's just need some hints and clues.
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My Fave characters in order- Jane,Phil,Linda,Max,Mick,Lauren,Peter,Lola,Jay,Nancy,Dexter,Abi,Ronnie,Masood,Denise,Tamwar.
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21 Apr 2014, 09:11
Whatever the timeline at the end of the episode, Denise returned before Lucy left Walford. She goes into the house, then the next shot we see is Lucy standing outside. It's possible there was a time gap between those two sbots though.
That's true, I missed the timing of that. And Lucy turned back to the Beale house as though she was being watched.

But we don't know how much time had passed from Denise calling Libby and lying down until we saw the shot of Lucy's body on the Common. Nor do we know when Cindy, Lee and Ian left a voicemail message for Lucy. Lee was clearly at Roxy's party when he sent his as he asked her if she wanted to come to the party and there was a lot of noise in the background but he could have easily sent it a while before Lucy's death or even after. The pool tournament must have wrapped up some point before midnight and it would have been quite easy to slip out of Roxy's party so it could be anyone.

Once the police, as I suspect they will, eliminate the possibility of a random mugging or sexual assault which could have resulted in Lucy's death, they will be examining every person she was in contact with and her personal relationships with them. This would include clients from her business, whoever was providing her with the cocaine and anyone she had any kind of personal relationship with.

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My list of suspects are Abi, Terry, Billy and Denise.
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What's the rationale for it being Terry? What's a likely scenario here?

I don't think I want it to be an accidental death - seems too easy after 10 (?) months of investigations.
Edited by Cupcake, 21 Apr 2014, 12:31.
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21 Apr 2014, 01:41
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21 Apr 2014, 00:02
Yeah, if Ronnie knew that she had killed a young, blonde 20 year old girl - we would see her have a full on break down I think.

Although it does make you think if the Lola stuff last week was actually just a clever bit of foreshadowing?
Not necessarily just because she sees Lola has some replacement Danielle doesn't mean she seems Lucy the same way. Psychopaths don't feel emotions like we do. And they are very good at hiding them too, they often act from what they learn from watching others rather than how they actually are. Its possible she feels nothing or little with someone like her you never know. I am not ruling her out just because she wasn't on the trailer.
But then again maybe its too obvious. But its most realistic at this point it will be killer square. 3 killers all living on 1 square. Whatever you say about London that is a bit extreme, 3 that close together all living feets away from each other. If it someone close to her even if its an accident if they say nothing it will give the character some self life. Say Peter did it by accident he wouldn't put everyone through hell not letting them know the truth. In fact none from that trailer can I reasonably see doing that there has to be some twist.
Lola is a Mitchell. Lucy is not. There's the difference. Ronnie could knock the bejaysus out of Lucy and think nothing of it. The fact that she's blonde and twenty would have nothing to do with it, because she's a Beale and not a Mitchell. Ronnie is only obliged in her warped psychopathic mind to protec and defend blonde Mitchell childwomen.
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Denise surrounds Lucy. She was in the last scene before the shot of Lucy's body and she is the first one in the trailer. (We know how much they like trailer symbolism)
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Dan
21 Apr 2014, 07:08
I don't think it was Denise but do we actually know what the timeline was between the shot of Denise on the bed and Lucy dead in the woods? It could have been the same time, minutes or hours so it probably doesn't strictly rule Denise out.



I would definitely rule Denise out. I think she simply arrived at the train station and took a taxi home. She arrived after Ian's and Lucy's encounter, but the house appeared to be empty - no Ian at all. Instead of checking to see if Bobby and Cindy were OK, she went straight to the bedroom and phoned Libby to tell her of her decision. I don't think she went out after that.

But I felt the timing was all over the place at times. Lucy ran out of Ian's house after being discovered with Lee - that was in the morning. Masood saw her, and she went directly to the Branning house. She hadn't been inside a few minutes, when Max arrived, and she was called from the kitchen by a phonecall from Lee to tell her of Ian's visit. That took place in the morning too, because Stan was whingeing about his orange juice in the pub, and Mick wouldn't let him have anything stronger.

Lucy tore out of Max's to confront Ian, but by the time she got back to the house, it was dark and night time. Where did she go before then? Ian wouldn't have been hard to find. He would have either been at home, in the cafe or the restaurant. She's not the type to delay a confrontation, especially with Ian.
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Terry because there's clearly more to his character. They've connected his son to the Beale family and his wife is making a permanent appearance as the story starts. He was also in the episode as the cab driver who took Denise to the station, and is taking part in the pool tournament tonight where Ian has a row with Peter. He's a witness to it.

Denise because of her situation in the Neale family and the positioning of her in the scenes leading up to Lucy leaving the house. Her call to Libby will be used as her alibi but I'm wondering whether there was an off screen conversation between her and Licy.

Billy because of his previous dealings with the family and his rejection from Lucy following the closure of Butchers Joints. She also stole his client lost and I'm thinking there's a reason Peter and Lola were paired up for Peter to then move in with Billy and still be there...

Abi, I've mentioned my reasons already. Max, Lauren & Peter, Jane & Tanya, Cora and Patrick, there's lots of connections plus the irony of the previous situation with Jay involved in Heathers death.
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Good point. This may be intentional as it was stated that we will discover a lot of things about Lucy after her death.

As I recall, Lucy went home first and spoke to Cindy, then Peter came in to warn her that Ian was on the warpath, then Ian came home and they had their confrontation about the cocaine. Peter was trying to calm Ian down and was telling him he'd deal with it during the day, I think? It's either poor direction possibly or an indication that Lucy was dealing with something or someone else that distracted her attention from Ian between leaving the Brannings and talking to Cindy. It was at that time that she found out about Ian having her cocaine I think and originally went to confront him because he'd chewed Lee out about the previous night if I recall correctly.

I would rule Denise out mainly because although she can be judgemental at times, she is fundamentally a decent person and had already accepted that she was going to leave Ian. I took her laying flat the photo of Ian and Lucy to mean that she just didn't want to see Ian's face at that point rather than any malice against Lucy. I also don't think she would harm one of Ian's children to get at him simply because she didn't want to marry him. The show are probably screwing with the timeline to keep the possibility open but I would rule her out, would be ludicrous if it were her.

Working it out, we can narrow it down to a few suspects:

As already said before, it won't be Jake, Aleks or Danny due to total lack of impact. Terry is interesting but unlikely as this is going to be the big story for the 30th anniversary. Incidental characters like Terry or non-established ones won't have done it all because it would leave viewers with scratched heads and would have no impact whatsoever.

Linda or Mick, angry that they think Lucy is playing Lee, would be interesting and would be impactful simply because they own the Vic, Mick is played by a known actor and Danny Dyer doesn't look like he'll stick around for long. But it's more than likely not because I think it would be someone that Lucy trusted or knew well making it more tragic.

It won't be Ian as it would make a mockery of his grieving. It won't be Sharon or Phil either, that would make an outright mockery of the show.

Masood was giving Lucy an intense look but unless they pull a serious rabbit out of the hat, it's not him.

Leaving aside ridiculous scenarios (Dot, Tiffany), I think we can whittle it down to Peter, Lauren, Abi, Max, Jane, Lee, Whitney, Ronnie or Steven.

If it were Peter, it would be an accident, he would not murder his twin nor would he leave her if he thought her hurt. I don't think it's him. I think him running off is a red herring, meant to create interest but we will eventually find out where he went and he will have a good alibi.

I can't see it being Max, he's not the type to physically lash out against a woman simply because they dumped him. I could see him texting Lucy to charm her back into bed but I don't think he'd kill her, on purpose or by accident.

Lucy might have trusted Jane to go to the Common with her but although I don't like Jane, once again, I can't see her getting violent with Lucy.

Lee is a plot device to drag other people into it. He might be the main suspect at first but it's not him, too much of a newcomer.

Whitney is definitely possible if she did it by accident. She gets obsessive about bad boys and she and Lucy may have fought over Lucy because she definitely gave her the evils when she saw her.

We'll find that Lucy had dealings with someone else before she died and I think that will be Ronnie. Ronnie is up to her neck in something, she went into the pub "looking for Phil" and he was quite clearly there watching the pool tournament and we didn't notice her say anything to him before heading off with Charlie. I think they'll spin it in the direction of Ronnie for a while but it won't actually be her. She has killed Carl so might be too predictable if she were suspected.

Steven is a good outside possibility and would be a massive shock if he returned and was revealed to be the killer. He tried to kill Pat in order to succeed in his plans, is highly amoral, a psychological mess and might well lash out at Lucy if she wound him up enough. Lucy somewhat idolises him so would be the only Beale to keep in contact and it would destroy Ian, knowing that the boy he raised as his son killed his daughter.

I think it was a woman though leaving Whitney, Abi or Lauren.

I think Lauren. She seemed to surmise that something was wrong and picked up on the awkward atmosphere at the house and Lucy's furtive glances at Max. Lauren has a vicious temper when she wants to, she even ran her own father over which puts her over Abi and Whitney. Lauren can also keep things to herself and release secrets at the perfect time, such as how she revealed Max and Stacey's affair, incidentally, humiliating her mother in front of her entire family at Christmas Day. She is judgemental and hypocritical, thinking nothing of the consequences of her actions. If Max sent the text, Lucy met him and Lauren caught them, then I could see her attacking Lucy. She could have easily slipped out of the party too because there were a lot of people there and they were mostly likely drunk so wouldn't have noticed which Lauren wouldn't have been as a recovering alcoholic...





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I thought the person responsible for Lucys death wasn't aware of what their actions (or words) had caused? So technically anyone could be responsible (even Ian) and wouldn't realise their responsibility until the reveal in Feb when we find out x is what killed her and it happened because of this for example.

Lots of people could be inadvertently responsible for her death purely by introducing her to the wrong person, saying the wrong thing etc

I really don't think it will be because of one persons actions and there's.no suggestion at the moment of violence. Will be interesting to think outside the box.
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There will be a post-mortem and the police should find out whatever happened to Lucy relatively easily. Her body is found the morning after she died judging from what we know. They might not know who but they will know how she died fairly soon.

I think whoever was involved in a physical confrontation with her (if it was manslaughter) would be in serious denial thinking that something innocuous, to them, wouldn't kill her.

Unless it's instantly obvious what killed Lucy but it doesn't seem like she was shot, stabbed or strangled. She was more than likely hit over the head with something but we will see more clearly when we see her body in the light.

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I'm guessing Lee will be the first suspect, as this would be a way to keep him in the show rather than having him go back to Afghanistan. In that case he'll then be ruled out later on. I also don't think it'll be Max, as he'll be a suspect early on because Lucy's blood will be found in his office.

I like Peter and I'd like him to stay in the show for a long time, especially now Lucy has gone, but if Ben Hardy wants to leave at some point I'd rather he was written out than another re-cast so making him the killer would be a good way to do this as it would obviously have a bigger impact on Ian. The only other people I can think of at the moment are Abi or Whitney, for some reason I don't think it'll be Lauren.

I like the idea of Terry being involved. Maybe he sold Lucy the cocaine? This would then cause problems between the two families around the time the baby was born, even if Terry had nothing to do with Lucy's death.
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Also, I don't recall Lucy telling anybody about hitting her head in Max's office and her hair would have hid the cut on her scalp. This could land Max right in it especially when details of their relationship come out.

Edited by Dan, 21 Apr 2014, 14:33.
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And while the police are investigating Max they could find the picture of him and Lucy and whoever sent the email would be a suspect. I've got no idea who sent the email but I don't think they'll have anything to do with Lucy's death. I don't think it was Lauren or Abi, but I'm not sure who else would be bothered enough to take the photo.
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I think that could be a double-edged thing. Why was Lucy in the Car-lot alone with someone? It's either Max or David. Has Lucy been sleeping with Max or David? etc. etc.

Yes, yes, he's her uncle. But it's only an accusation.
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I do like the fact we literally have NO idea how this will pan out.
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Could she not die from a natural cause? Blood clot from previous head trauma or I would guess any kind of trauma.

Or could she not have just fallen over running away from a confrontation? The person who confronted her that she was running from, would this be deemed as responsible for her death?

If she has died from something physical would they not delay the funeral?

So confused haha! I just don't think.it's going to have.resulted from physical altercations with anyone. Perhaps she met up with someone who had drugs that she has stolen. And the drugs killed her due to having anything in them.

The more I think.about it, the more I.can't.believe we don't know what killed her yet!
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The autopsy will reveal her cause of death. As far as I'm aware this hasn't been released as a spoiler yet. Maybe we will find out tonight.

I'm changing my prediction. I think it will be Whitney. I keep reading DTCs quotes and he said he wanted this to be rooted in truth. I think Whitney is that truth. We have seen her becoming more and more erratic these past weeks. She is also the only character to have an active feud with Lucy on the go and was upset with her on Friday.

There is a saying. Hidden in plain sight. Sharon Marshall said they had been asked to add certain things into the scripts. Remember Whitney not looking too pleased back in January when Johnny was cuddling her? her anger and Jealousy of Lucy has been building up for a long time. Hidden in plain sight! This is exactly how they did Stacey and Archie.

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I hate how the Daily Mirror keeps listing Stacey as a suspect as "Stacey has been uncharacteristically quiet since her return to Albert Square earlier this year". She's in prison, what do you expect? Her to be running round the Square? It also mentions that she has killed before so would be prepared to do it again. She killed Archie after he raped her and was having a bad time with her Bipolar at the time. She also seems very sorry and is willing to pay for it, I doubt she'd kill again. It just really annoys me, it's the second time I've read this theory in newspapers and I just wonder whether they actually watch the show...
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