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Who Killed Lucy?; All the theories
Topic Started: 20 Apr 2014, 05:49 (367,869 Views)
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david
4 Nov 2014, 21:26
I now agree that Lola is now a real possibility. The only really concrete evidence we have is that Jay had Lucy's wallet and phone. We know that Lucy had her wallet when she returned to the square from Walford Common with Jake, because she paid for the taxi. We don’t know what happed to her after that.

I don't think it was Jay, but he seems to have had some involvement. Jay has always been very close to Lola and I suspect that he would have helped her dump the body. He probably had access to a car at the Arches and we know that he bought bleach the next day. As far as we know, Jay and Jake were the only people to know that Lucy had been at Walford Common earlier that evening (he was on the bus). What better place to dump her body, removing her phone and wallet to make it appear like a random mugging.

Lola was jealous of Lucy and Peter’s closeness, she lives underneath the flat where Lucy had returned Jake and where a spot of Lucy’s blood was found. They could have had a scuffle, resulting in Lucy’s existing head wound being aggravated. Lola was also very nervously playing with her fingers on the interview video clip posted on the EE website.

This seems to be at least a plausible explanation of the facts that we have.
Brilliant post, I love your theories. Lola living under Jake's flat is a very good point to remember as it's never been explained why Lucy's blood was in there. Another point that I've reiterated in the past but one you reminded me of is that the person who dumped her must be someone who knew she had already been to the Common that evening. As far as we know, and as you rightly said, that just leaves Jay and Jake. I think, or at least I hope, there's a lot more to come on that front.

We've also been lefting hanging about those photos Billy threw away. I thought they were Peter's and he was choosing one for the funeral, but something didn't feel quite right there. Not forgetting that Pam knows about them.

Tonight's episode also brought a fresh new twist. Keeble has a new suspect within the Branning household- and it doesn't seem to be Max. When he and Abi were discussing their secret I thought they'd reference the blood in the car lot- but then they mentioned Good Friday. Although they've put a lot of emphasis on her recently, Abi is creeping up my suspect list.

Ben and Nick are interesting candidates too but I think they'd fall on the sensational side. All my money is still on Peter, but Cindy, Lola, Jane and Abi are very plausible too.

I actually love how this has been paced. Who killed Archie dragged on far more than this because we had characters behaving erratically for no reason and everything went in circles. This has been handled much more intelligently. I only hope the pay off is worth it.

With Hetti fillming the Children in Need sketch I wonder if that idea was fabricated as a cover story to have her back in Elstree... filming flashbacks. I still live in hope, and maintain it's the only way to bring all these strands together in the way they deserve, and also in a way that is visually satisfying for casual and hardcore viewers alike.
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On a purely logical level - Lola has been is one of the very few characters without her own 'moment' so far this year. She's been a great support to Billy, Peter and Ronnie in their various ventures - but nothing exclusively of her own.

She would fit the bill as a very 'upsetting' and 'tragic' killer as well. Just the thought of it makes my heart breaking, especially knowing the performance Danielle Harold would put in upon the reveal. And the fact that Peter dumped within a few months of Lucy dying makes it all the more tragic, somehow.

And I'm not saying it's entirely relevant but Lola was run over and suffered concussion exactly a week before Lucy died. Obviously a week between the two events is quite lengthy, but still, it happened.

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I've just created a new poll on Digital Spy and it's made me realise how many suspects there still are. It's actually scary when you think about it. Brilliant too.
Edited by WalfordE20, 4 Nov 2014, 22:10.
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Every character on the square apart from Stacey did it. FFS;).
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A friend of mine works on the show and heard from a reliable source it was Tracey.
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4 Nov 2014, 23:26
A friend of mine works on the show and heard from a reliable source it was Tracey.
It's always the quiet ones...
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liking this theory, it is very plausible, at least there is a motive
still, I cant see Lola taking photos of Lucy. We don't know who took them and for what purpose.

There is also the question of the drugs, or is that just a red herring?

Lola would fit though, because it wouldn't be sensationalist, just sad, which is what we have been led to believe.
I don't think Danielle or Jamie have had a break from the show for sometime, so they must be due one. I wouldn't like to see either of them leave permantely though.
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My Lola/Jamie theory doesn’t have any drugs connection. Originally, I thought drugs was the direction they were going in, with Ronnie as the gangster taking over Carl’s business. However, Ronnie has undergone a personality transplant now, although she may still revert to her old ways. We also seem to have pretty much had all the Ronnie/Charlie/Nick questions answered now, and without any drug involvement. DTC did say that they originally had different ideas about Lucy’s death, maybe that was connected to drugs and they kept elements of that story.

We know that Jamie had some involvement. He could have done much the same for Abi, the other woman in his life, but then I think it unlikely that he would have dumped her when they shared such a dark secret.
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david
5 Nov 2014, 23:17
My Lola/Jamie theory doesn’t have any drugs connection. Originally, I thought drugs was the direction they were going in, with Ronnie as the gangster taking over Carl’s business. However, Ronnie has undergone a personality transplant now, although she may still revert to her old ways. We also seem to have pretty much had all the Ronnie/Charlie/Nick questions answered now, and without any drug involvement. DTC did say that they originally had different ideas about Lucy’s death, maybe that was connected to drugs and they kept elements of that story.

Have we?

Nick's only just arrived, and whilst I think one of the biggest cop-outs would be Nick Cotton as the killer, the Nick/Ronnie/Charlie storyline has only just begun.

We certainly know that Ronnie is capable of murder, and don't be fooled by her perceived change of character. A psychopath is adept at blending in with normality, and having a child has been one of Ronnie's obsessions - and psychopaths have obsessions too. We've also learned this week that Charlie is, to use Dot's words, a liar. Nick told Dot that Charlie was not the nice guy she thought he was, she didn't really know him. Do the viewers? He's certainly an interesting character, but the black look he gave Dot when she told him off for what he did to Arthur, solidified the idea that Charlie isn't a very nice person.
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I honestly didn't interpret that as a "black look," though, I think Charlie was simply unhappy about doing what he did knowing that Dot will have a hard time forgiving him for it. As I put it on another thread I think Declan Bennett/Charlie are a big deal now for the show and although Charlie may have been conceived as not a very nice person there seems to have been a character reassessment by production in his case.

I have a hunch it's Lola now, too.
Edited by TimWil, 6 Nov 2014, 03:16.
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Once again, I ask the question: If it's Lola, how did she move Lucy's body from wherever she was killed to the Common?
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6 Nov 2014, 14:00
Once again, I ask the question: If it's Lola, how did she move Lucy's body from wherever she was killed to the Common?
The only people I can imagine helping her are Jay or Billy.
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6 Nov 2014, 14:00
Once again, I ask the question: If it's Lola, how did she move Lucy's body from wherever she was killed to the Common?
Lola may have found out someone else's secret, and used it to force them to help her. Others might take the risk and help if it meant keeping their family together, for example.

Extreme measures, but it's a soap.

I think I'd rule Jay out from moving the body, since if he had access to a car that night, why did he take the bus in the first place?
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It was 100% not Ronnie or Charlie. I can imagine Ronnie having some involvement in the drugs side of things, but she definitely did not kill Lucy. Without a doubt.

Who said Lola moved Lucy's body? As somebody else has already said, Jay could have moved the body for her. The bleach that he brought in the following episode could have been to clean Lucy's blood from the boot of the car he stole from the Arches the night before, and where him and Lola placed Lucy's body before driving it to the Common.

This murder is not a straightforward one. There is no definitive answer over whether or not the person that killed Lucy was the same person that moved her body yet.
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I can see this theory working, at the beginning of the night, Jay catching the same bus as Lucy = coincidence
Somehow Lola and Lucy meet up
they argue and Lucy ends up accidently dead
in a panic, Lola rings the only person who can help her: Jay
Jay hot foots it back to the Archers and borrows a customers car
Lola keeps hold of the phone and wallet for some reason, maybe they planned on dumping them somewhere where it would look like a robbery
Jay then decides that isn't going to work so buries the phone and wallet


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1) We don't normally see Lola out at night, she is pretty dedicated to Lexi
2) I don't think she could hold this sort of a secret, I know shes had a troubled past, but she is basically a decent person and we have seen her maturing lately

Abi is in the picture, and we know she has a dark side to her, which we have only seen since the death of Lucy. Again though, not sure if she could have done it.
Understandable her feelings towards Jay and Lola, (thank god the giggling and snorting have gone), but if she had a jealous streak or more of a temper, I think we
would have seen a bit more of it by now, rather than just the looks she has been given Lola and Jay


Ronnie is very cunning. We haven't seen her obsessing over Roxy as much lately, now she has Charlie and the baby. What would happen if she loses the baby?
Would that tip her back over the edge? She wasn't too wound up after killing Carl, in fact apart from telling Charlie, I don't think we have seen any other reference to that
at all lately. Also, I find it interesting she choose to impart that part of her past, but not the baby swap or the rest of her past.
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We also know that Ben told Jay to bury the purse and phone, so he'd need to fit in somewhere.
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I reckon ALL of the characters took turns to kill Lucy in different ways off screen to make her suffer, it's all a mystery just how much she was hated:p. The only one who can be ruled out is Stacey, she was in jail.
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Ooh, a Murder on the Orient Express type theory. I like it.
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Denise finds the purse and phone at the allotments on Tues 25th.

Cast list for the episode is: Denise, Patrick, Sharon, Ian, Jane, Cindy, Masood, Shabnam, Johnny, Ben, Jay, Dot, Nick, Pam, Carol, Sonia, Keeble and Bobby.

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6 Nov 2014, 18:10
It was 100% not Ronnie or Charlie. I can imagine Ronnie having some involvement in the drugs side of things, but she definitely did not kill Lucy. Without a doubt.

Why not? Ronnie's killed before. Many psychopaths have said that, after having done one killing, it's easier to do the second. She's shown totally no remorse for having killed Carl, which also reflects badly on the rest of her family. He may have been a bad man and a douchebag, but characters like Sharon, Phil and certainly Roxy, have previously been shown to have consciences, and even Stacey and Ben expressed remorse after having done what they did.

Either of these characters, especially acting in tandem, could easily have killed Lucy, far more believeably than Jane, Denise or Lola, all of whom would have been walking nervous wrecks at keeping such a secret. I think Nick's return and its repercussions will tie in with the discovery of Lucy's killer, and that discovery will link the established families of Beale, Mitchell and Cotton, as a tribute to the longevity of the programme.

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Who said Lola moved Lucy's body?


Nobody did. I asked the question of how Lola could have moved Lucy's body, implying she needed help. It's the same argument I'd put to anyone pushing the meme of Abi, Lauren or Whitney as the killer. Lucy was killed someplace other than the Common, because head wounds - open head wounds - bleed copiously, and no blood was found around her corpse on the Common.

As somebody else has already said, Jay could have moved the body for her. The bleach that he brought in the following episode could have been to clean Lucy's blood from the boot of the car he stole from the Arches the night before, and where him and Lola placed Lucy's body before driving it to the Common.

Jay? Jay barely held it together as an accessory after the fact in Heather's death. The morning after Lucy's murder, Abi ran into Jay in the Minute Mart, buying bleach and disinfectant. Jay said Ronnie was annoyed about the state of the house after the party, and he invited Abi to help him clean it. Abi could have said yes, but she didn't. Now we find that Abi and Max are hiding a secret of their own about what they were up to that night, or rather, probably, what Max was up to. Good enough theory, but I believe Jay when he said he was going to clean Ronnie's house. Lucy could have easily met her end there. Or at the boxing club. Aleks was occupied with Roxy at Ronnie's house all night. It would have been very easy and well within character for Ronnie to nick Aleks's keys to gain access to the flat, if that's part and parcel of why Lucy's blood was found there.

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This murder is not a straightforward one.


Most soapland murders never are.

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There is no definitive answer over whether or not the person that killed Lucy was the same person that moved her body yet.


Who would move a dead body, especially if it's someone who's come across the corpse of someone as widely known in the community as Lucy? Whoever moved her body may not have killed her, but they did it in conjunction with and on the instructions of the person who killed her.

Just a point: Ronnie told Charlie that she killed a man, and he wasn't phased in the least.
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