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Who Killed Lucy?; All the theories
Topic Started: 20 Apr 2014, 05:49 (367,855 Views)
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19 Dec 2014, 20:45
Hate to burst your bubble but DTC tweeted back saying "Come home soon". *sigh*
It's like waking up on Christmas day only to find out you've been robbed
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EastEnders to cut Lucy Beale suspect list down to 11 http://t.co/X2OhphWUWH
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Ian, Jane, Peter, Cindy, Lola, Lauren, Max, Abi, Ben, Jay and Whitney? Perhaps swapping one of those out for Lee. Not particularly helpful in working out the killer's identity since these have been the main suspects all along, but I'm beyond excited for all the upcoming twists and turns as we race towards the reveal.
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1. Whitney
2. Lola
3. Peter
4. Cindy
5. Jane
6. Max
7. Abi
8. Ben
9. Jay
10. Denise
11. Lee

I'd include Ian and Lauren but it's so obviously not them.
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Ian
Jane
Peter
Whitney
Lee
Abi
Lauren
Max
Billy
Jay
Ben

(And a curveball Denise) It's ones that they've already focused on, I'm convinced of it. Lola and Cindy should and could be there but they haven't had the focus to make it believable.

It's actually quite staggering to think that someone fairly long-standing is going to be a killer. Heavens.
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20 Dec 2014, 01:51
Ian
This would be very surprising, but never in a million years, and ONLY if Adam Woodyatt had decided to leave the soap.

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Jane


Definite possibility, and the bookies' favourite.

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Peter


Nope. His departure has been announced. DTC would want this departure kept a secret. He'll mooch some money off Ian, go to New Zealand and come back in five years with a new head.

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Whitney


She had the motive, and she's only just moved into the frame, but I don't think so. However, an eagle eye noted that Shona McGarty is listing her agent's credentials in her Twitter blurb, and that only happens when an actor is doing his or her notice. Could be. Watch this space.

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Lee


Either he's hoodwinked Whitney or she's hoodwinked him. He's high on my suspect list.

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Abi


No, unfortunately.

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Lauren


Again, no. Unfortunately.

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Max


Could VERY well be. Jake Wood's been sounding off lately, and sounding a little worried, that his contract had yet to be renewed, and it expires in May. When Summerhayes made that phonecall, she was talking to someone she knew VERY well, someone whom she'd want to tip off before handing her evidence to the police.

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Billy


No. He's a Mitchell.

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Jay
Ben


I think they are involved, but they didn't kill her - although, I wouldn't put it past DTC bringing Ben back to have him kill his niece. Jay has too high a moral quotient. I think Ben helped move the body, and gave the goods to Jay to dispense with.

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20 Dec 2014, 02:15
MrJames
20 Dec 2014, 01:51
Ian
This would be very surprising, but never in a million years, and ONLY if Adam Woodyatt had decided to leave the soap.

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Jane


Definite possibility, and the bookies' favourite.

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Peter


Nope. His departure has been announced. DTC would want this departure kept a secret. He'll mooch some money off Ian, go to New Zealand and come back in five years with a new head.

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Whitney


She had the motive, and she's only just moved into the frame, but I don't think so. However, an eagle eye noted that Shona McGarty is listing her agent's credentials in her Twitter blurb, and that only happens when an actor is doing his or her notice. Could be. Watch this space.

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Lee


Either he's hoodwinked Whitney or she's hoodwinked him. He's high on my suspect list.

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Abi


No, unfortunately.

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Lauren


Again, no. Unfortunately.

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Max


Could VERY well be. Jake Wood's been sounding off lately, and sounding a little worried, that his contract had yet to be renewed, and it expires in May. When Summerhayes made that phonecall, she was talking to someone she knew VERY well, someone whom she'd want to tip off before handing her evidence to the police.

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Billy


No. He's a Mitchell.

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Jay
Ben


I think they are involved, but they didn't kill her - although, I wouldn't put it past DTC bringing Ben back to have him kill his niece. Jay has too high a moral quotient. I think Ben helped move the body, and gave the goods to Jay to dispense with.

Why you chose single out my post and pick it apart when a few us were sharing our predictions, I struggle to decipher. Nevertheless...

Quite clearly Ian did not kill Lucy. However, I DO think he will be on the narrowed down suspect list. Just because there's zero chance he will be the killer does not mean that he won't be involved in some of the suspicious activity. Same goes for Peter and all the other characters you so kindly said "no" to.

Please.

Please.
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I'm not sure Jay and Ben will be included, as we know they're involved somehow but I'm sure they didn't kill her. In my opinion:

Ian, Jane, Denise, Peter, Cindy, Max, Lauren, Abi, Lola, Whitney and Lee.

Possibly Billy instead of Ian if they want to rule him out. He's the only one on that list I'm convinced didn't do it.
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I dont think it is Jay. Bens attitude to Jay over hiding/disposing of the phone/purse indicates that that was all they were involved in. He would have said a bit more if they were the killers.
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Going through the above list, we havent really seen that much of Whitney lately and there was the thing with the card. Now Biannca has gone, there isnt much left for her.

Lee
For - hes a Carter and we cant have a big story without the Carters being involved
Against - whoever the murderer is, they will be going out in either a box or jail. With Stan and Johnny going, the Carter numbers are going to start diminishing. And we cant have that.

Abi - She hasnt had a story and she is growing up older. She will be pregnant by next Christmas, or it could be her.

Lauren - Jac is going to need time off to have the baby, til a technicality can be found to give her a small amount of jail time. But she is DTCs fav, so maybe not.

Max - Interesting idea. But will it be more than the hit on the head she suffered from Max that killed her? Esp of importance is Jakes contract no being renewed. Or is that a publicity stunt?

Ian/Peter - cant see it.

Cindy - another good possibility

Hopefully by New Years day end, we will have some good clues.


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I just really don't see it being billy. He would have confessed to Phil and some point. He knows that they aren't exactly adverse to covering their tracks, murder or not.

Wondering if jake may pop back as his inclusion was a bit random, not sure what he would come back for though.

There's a lot of loose ends to tie up and I think the majority of them are not relevant aside from making people appear suspicious.
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One of the remaining lose ends untied as yet is Pams discovery of the portfolio of Lucy photos under Billy's fridge...

And Billy not telling anyone he'd been stealing electricity from the upstairs flat where we believe Lucy was murdered.

And Lola's alibi the night Lucy died.

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It won't be Ian, I'm pretty sure of that. Of course, if Adam Woodyatt is leaving then, it could be. However, he has always stated his intention to be EE's Ken Barlow. The only way Ian could have done it is if he was in some state of psychosis which has caused him to blank the entire incident from his mind. If that is the case, he would be locked away in a secure psychiatric hospital indefinitely. He would have to leave the show and I can't see it.

I doubt it's Peter either although why he is not a suspect is one of the most baffling aspects of this case and the reason it's been so badly the plotted. The police (or Emma) know that:

He argued with Lucy on the night that she died.

He has no alibi and nobody to testify that they saw him on the night that she died.

He has silently admitted, in not denying Ian's accusation, that he was involved in dealing cocaine to Lucy.

Even a police officer as dim as Emma would have had him immediately arrested after that revelation although he should have been the highest suspect beforehand.

I doubt it is Max, he is many things but like Phil, he is not a killer. I can't see Whitney, Lola or Abi doing it without being completely broken by their conscience afterwards.

The Carters are DTC's main family and he clearly wants to establish a dynasty with them to rival even that of the Mitchell family. I believe we will see more Carters at some point, Elaine will return, Zsa Zsa will most likely come back, maybe Carly too. Buster will most likely be a full-time character even with Dean and Johnny on their way. There have been all these hints that Lee is unable to control himself and is not capable of rational thought when he loses his temper.

My top suspect is Lee.

However, I'd love it to be Jane. A scene where she is dragged out in handcuffs in front of the entire Square would be even more classic than her wails that she had to go to the clinic thinking she had the clap.

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Jane is contracted for 2 years so if it's Jane, she won't be leaving the show until at least November 2016.
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It could be Jane and she has hidden motives. Maybe that's why they are building her and Ian up again with her proposing to him - having a high period before the downfall truly begins.
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21 Dec 2014, 17:57
It won't be Ian, I'm pretty sure of that. Of course, if Adam Woodyatt is leaving then, it could be. However, he has always stated his intention to be EE's Ken Barlow. The only way Ian could have done it is if he was in some state of psychosis which has caused him to blank the entire incident from his mind. If that is the case, he would be locked away in a secure psychiatric hospital indefinitely. He would have to leave the show and I can't see it.

Several people have noticed that Ian is displaying characteristics that first manifested themselves when he returned from his sojourn on the streets - absently scratching his arm and a shuffling gait when he walks. I do agree that if it's Ian, then Adam Woodyatt is leaving and he won't be coming back. In fact, whoever killed Lucy is on their way out of Walford.

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I doubt it's Peter either although why he is not a suspect is one of the most baffling aspects of this case and the reason it's been so badly the plotted. The police (or Emma) know that:

He argued with Lucy on the night that she died.

He has no alibi and nobody to testify that they saw him on the night that she died.

He has silently admitted, in not denying Ian's accusation, that he was involved in dealing cocaine to Lucy.

Even a police officer as dim as Emma would have had him immediately arrested after that revelation although he should have been the highest suspect beforehand.


Peter and Ian should have been the police's first suspects - at least the first people they eliminated from their enquiries. Ian told them that he and Lucy had quarrelled, and that Lucy had run out in search of Peter, who'd overheard. Since the police act on the assumption that a victim knows his/her killer, they start within the family dynamic and work outward. Peter was never even considered, when questioning him would have brought some interesting answers.

I agree that it's not Peter, simply because news of Ben Hardy's departure has been made public.

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I doubt it is Max, he is many things but like Phil, he is not a killer.


I agree with this, but what if Max accidentally killed her? Steve Owen didn't mean to kill Saskia, but he certainly meant to hide her body.

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I can't see Whitney, Lola or Abi doing it without being completely broken by their conscience afterwards.


Agree about all three, even Abi with her new-found bitchiness.

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The Carters are DTC's main family and he clearly wants to establish a dynasty with them to rival even that of the Mitchell family. I believe we will see more Carters at some point, Elaine will return, Zsa Zsa will most likely come back, maybe Carly too. Buster will most likely be a full-time character even with Dean and Johnny on their way.


(Sigh) Sadly true. Don't forget that Buster probably has had a couple of wives along the way and a gaggle of children, so the satellite factor is strong too. Even though I liked Elaine, I don't want to trade BranningVille for CarterTown.

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There have been all these hints that Lee is unable to control himself and is not capable of rational thought when he loses his temper.

My top suspect is Lee.


Lee is definitely a suspect, but that would also add another string to the Carters' collective bow and link them to the Lucy story. I wouldn't put this past DTC. Hasn't Danny-Boy Hatchard signed to make some film?

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However, I'd love it to be Jane. A scene where she is dragged out in handcuffs in front of the entire Square would be even more classic than her wails that she had to go to the clinic thinking she had the clap.


This would so be my dream occurrence.

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Who's to say that the real killer never finds out it was them. And whoever was responsible for moving the body goes to prison for it.

If we looked at a second head injury the person who caused it would see her alive and leave. It's perfectly possible the person could see her bleed from her head but think she's fine as she's conscious and able to walk.

Maybe there is a completely different person who then believes they are responsible for her death and pays the price.

Sometimes people don't get punished in real life. If they didn't know they were responsible then it's something they would never confess to?

I can't even read that back and I'm sure none of that makes sense lol!! Hopefully someone gets the idea and can explain it properly!
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Dan
21 Dec 2014, 17:57
It won't be Ian, I'm pretty sure of that. Of course, if Adam Woodyatt is leaving then, it could be. However, he has always stated his intention to be EE's Ken Barlow. The only way Ian could have done it is if he was in some state of psychosis which has caused him to blank the entire incident from his mind. If that is the case, he would be locked away in a secure psychiatric hospital indefinitely. He would have to leave the show and I can't see it.

Several people have noticed that Ian is displaying characteristics that first manifested themselves when he returned from his sojourn on the streets - absently scratching his arm and a shuffling gait when he walks. I do agree that if it's Ian, then Adam Woodyatt is leaving and he won't be coming back. In fact, whoever killed Lucy is on their way out of Walford.

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I doubt it's Peter either although why he is not a suspect is one of the most baffling aspects of this case and the reason it's been so badly the plotted. The police (or Emma) know that:

He argued with Lucy on the night that she died.

He has no alibi and nobody to testify that they saw him on the night that she died.

He has silently admitted, in not denying Ian's accusation, that he was involved in dealing cocaine to Lucy.

Even a police officer as dim as Emma would have had him immediately arrested after that revelation although he should have been the highest suspect beforehand.


Peter and Ian should have been the police's first suspects - at least the first people they eliminated from their enquiries. Ian told them that he and Lucy had quarrelled, and that Lucy had run out in search of Peter, who'd overheard. Since the police act on the assumption that a victim knows his/her killer, they start within the family dynamic and work outward. Peter was never even considered, when questioning him would have brought some interesting answers.

I agree that it's not Peter, simply because news of Ben Hardy's departure has been made public.

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I doubt it is Max, he is many things but like Phil, he is not a killer.


I agree with this, but what if Max accidentally killed her? Steve Owen didn't mean to kill Saskia, but he certainly meant to hide her body.

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I can't see Whitney, Lola or Abi doing it without being completely broken by their conscience afterwards.


Agree about all three, even Abi with her new-found bitchiness.

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The Carters are DTC's main family and he clearly wants to establish a dynasty with them to rival even that of the Mitchell family. I believe we will see more Carters at some point, Elaine will return, Zsa Zsa will most likely come back, maybe Carly too. Buster will most likely be a full-time character even with Dean and Johnny on their way.


(Sigh) Sadly true. Don't forget that Buster probably has had a couple of wives along the way and a gaggle of children, so the satellite factor is strong too. Even though I liked Elaine, I don't want to trade BranningVille for CarterTown.

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There have been all these hints that Lee is unable to control himself and is not capable of rational thought when he loses his temper.

My top suspect is Lee.


Lee is definitely a suspect, but that would also add another string to the Carters' collective bow and link them to the Lucy story. I wouldn't put this past DTC. Hasn't Danny-Boy Hatchard signed to make some film?

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However, I'd love it to be Jane. A scene where she is dragged out in handcuffs in front of the entire Square would be even more classic than her wails that she had to go to the clinic thinking she had the clap.


This would so be my dream occurrence.

I noticed Ian's physical characteristics linked with his mental breakdown and it would be interesting if they are revisiting this in some way even if Ian didn't kill Lucy. It's similar to Steven's constant shaking in his Aaron Sidwell incarnation whenever he was losing it. I think it probably isn't Ian and they might be planning further mental problems when he finds out who actually did it, Ben's true involvement etc but it is an interesting one.

Max way well have killed Lucy accidentally but I don't think he has that tough edge Steve had. Steve's killing of Saskia was an open and shut case of self-defence in my book but Steve viciously intimidated and bullied Matt into silence, he intimidated Teresa, manipulated Beppe and used anyone and anything to get out of punishment for it, including pinning the entire thing on Matt. I can't see Max having that hard edge. He is a cheat, a philanderer and a liar but he has more compassion than Steve did and I don't think he'd be able to look Ian or Peter in the eye if he had killed Lucy, even accidentally. It's an interesting theory but I think Jake Wood's contract issues were more them seeing how things were after Strictly as the winners are usually expected to go on the tour afterwards plus the attention that comes with it being head turning. I'm sure he'll get a new contract if he wants one.

DTC was on the staff during the Archie murder debacle and he disagreed with the decision to make Stacey the killer (correctly) and it was handled poorly because Lacey Turner was only told at the last minute, could not adapt her performance accordingly, looked as though Stacey had no conscience between the murder and the reveal and even asked Bradley if he had done it which made no sense whatsoever.

I would hope DTC has learned from this and I think the killer has either done this in a state of psychosis and literally has no recollection of their crime (hence the interview where he stated that the killer may not know what they have done) or they are a psychopath with little to nothing in the way of conscience. With what we know so far, this leaves us with:

Ian
Lee
Ronnie
Nick
Ben
Steven
Charlie
Jane (not mentally ill or a psychopath that we know of but I will explain)

Ian, as I think we've all said on here, loves his children more than anything and would have only ever harmed Lucy if he was in a complete state of not knowing what he was doing if, perhaps, Lucy saw him shagging Rainie and later confronted him. Ben may have realised what Ian had done, stumbling upon the scene and set up Lucy as the victim of a botched mugging and is doing this to keep Ian ignorant of what he did. He could even by lying to Jay and using him as a patsy to protect Ian.

Lee, of course, has a wild temper and has admitted to being almost out-of-body when has going crazy on someone. He moved on so jarringly quickly from Lucy and has seemingly had no emotional reaction to someone he was sexually close to having been murdered. He could have blocked it out.

Ronnie is a psychopath who has killed a man (no matter how cruel he was) without conscience, she stole a child from his parents without conscience and had no emotional reaction whatsoever to her cousin being shot. She could well be the twist and it may not be a case that someone is taken out of the frame but that someone else is put in. Charlie may or may not be involved, he might not even know about it but if Lucy discovered his secret that night, he could be the one.

Nick would be a cop-out of absolutely epic proportions but DTC is a big fan of irony which he has proved in both stints on the show. If you take the word "ironic", he is also a fan of a word one letter out and that is "iconic". 25th anniversary, one of the show's three original characters, a legacy character killed, using the name of the first man he killed as a disguise, the show's iconic villain. I can see DTC doing it. I don't think he should but I can see it.

Ben is a sociopath who has shown little in the way of conscience over Heather (for all his claims to have loved her, his sympathy is for himself and himself alone) so he could have done it. I don't think he did though. He was involved with Lucy, I think he mugged her and maybe, depending on who did it, moved her but he didn't strike the blow to kill her.

Steven is a massive long shot in the sense he could have done it and he may be the big twist as DTC is a huge fan of twists. However, it sounds like he has been in New Zealand for some time now.

Those are the ones who could have done it if we take out those with consciences and mental stability, however, I don't know if this is wishful thinking but I'm curious about Jane.

She seems desperate to keep the phone and purse out of the police's hands, she had a strange expression on her face when she buried Lucy's things under the floorboards and seems to be deliberately throwing everyone off the scent - "finding" Peter's text, passive-aggressively undermining Ian, inserting herself into any conversation Ian has with the police and making sure his mind is still a whirl, jumping unbelievably quickly to Ben's defence. I wouldn't be surprised if she has a secret regarding Good Friday...




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Ronnie and Charlie are ruled out. DTC said they wanted it to be rooted in truth yet neither character had any connection to Lucy, so where is the truth?

He also said the unveiling will be sad. Why would Ronnie or Charlie killing Lucy be sad? It'll be an outcome that'll just make the audience go "why? I don't get it"

The original theory of drugs was the only link and it's already been cleared up that Peter was the supplier or drugs to feed Lucy's addiction which started off screen prior to Ronnie being on the Square. They are not involved.

The official 11 will be: Billy, Lola, Whitney, Lauren, Max, Cindy, Peter, Jane, Denise, Jay and Abi.
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