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Who Killed Lucy?; All the theories
Topic Started: 20 Apr 2014, 05:49 (367,850 Views)
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Abi was always jealous of her older sister's Lauren, and it's clear she and Max were up to something dodgy on the night of the murder.

Max: Look Abs, what happened on Good Friday stays between us, only us. We'll just have to be careful, won't we...
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MrJames
30 Dec 2014, 21:16
Who did they make a point of not including at the drinks at the Vic, thus meaning that they weren't available for Emma to contact in person?

As someone on the episode thread pointed out - Emma seemed to react as Dean said "I only left him for five minutes."

We know Max left the house on the night Lucy died to walk Tramp - "for five minutes". Who did Max leave in the house?

Who was there when the words "Things die" was uttered? Who was there when the photographer of Max and Lucy's kiss was revealed? Who directed a vicious tirade at Emma when she revealed her boyfriend to her father?

Oh dear Abigail. Oh dear.
I just came on here to echo these exact thoughts. 'For five minutes' was, almost unquestionably, the big clue there. I was intrigued to see Emma looking from house to house, however.

Jane is way too obvious now, and Abi has topped the top of my suspect list for the first time since before Lucy died. There has to be a reason the fall in the car lot still hasn't been discovered which Dom described as 'a red herring and a clue'. Making her absent from the lunch did make her seem overly suspicious though..
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MrJames
30 Dec 2014, 21:16
Who did they make a point of not including at the drinks at the Vic, thus meaning that they weren't available for Emma to contact in person?

As someone on the episode thread pointed out - Emma seemed to react as Dean said "I only left him for five minutes."

We know Max left the house on the night Lucy died to walk Tramp - "for five minutes". Who did Max leave in the house?

Who was there when the words "Things die" was uttered? Who was there when the photographer of Max and Lucy's kiss was revealed? Who directed a vicious tirade at Emma when she revealed her boyfriend to her father?

Oh dear Abigail. Oh dear.
Who was in the background of the scene where Cindy finds the jewelry box present?
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WalfordE20
30 Sep 2014, 20:20
Some very suspicious little nuggets in tonight's episodes. After the 'we've all done things we regret line', we saw flashes of numerous characters we know to have made mistakes- and glimpses of Abi and Peter. What exactly do they regret? That coupled with Peter rushing out to phone Emma... very interesting indeed.
Also, I believe one of my previous posts is still relevant here. We now know what Peter regrets, so what is Abi hiding?
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30 Dec 2014, 22:11
MrJames
30 Dec 2014, 21:16
Who did they make a point of not including at the drinks at the Vic, thus meaning that they weren't available for Emma to contact in person?

As someone on the episode thread pointed out - Emma seemed to react as Dean said "I only left him for five minutes."

We know Max left the house on the night Lucy died to walk Tramp - "for five minutes". Who did Max leave in the house?

Who was there when the words "Things die" was uttered? Who was there when the photographer of Max and Lucy's kiss was revealed? Who directed a vicious tirade at Emma when she revealed her boyfriend to her father?

Oh dear Abigail. Oh dear.
I will never believe it isn't Abi. Even if it was someone else, it was still Abi.
Something else ... I don't think it was Jay, but I do think Ben had something to do with moving the body, and he may have helped Abi and Max, because if Abi did this, she would need help in moving the body. Ben had the foresight to take her purse and phone, to make it look like a mugging and then gave the goods to Jay to dispose of.
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How would Abi know what Lucy's jewellery box looked like though?

If it's Abi, it's the most ridiculous "jump the shark" storyline in the show's history. If it's Abi, I think the reveal should and would get laughed at. It would be an utterly embarrassing storyline.

Really, this storyline has been dreadful in terms of plotting (albeit good in terms of characterisation) from start to finish. Abi would just be the icing on the cake of ridiculousness.

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I agree regarding Abi; I would find that a ridiculous outcome.
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Dan
31 Dec 2014, 01:23
How would Abi know what Lucy's jewellery box looked like though?

If it's Abi, it's the most ridiculous "jump the shark" storyline in the show's history. If it's Abi, I think the reveal should and would get laughed at. It would be an utterly embarrassing storyline.

Really, this storyline has been dreadful in terms of plotting (albeit good in terms of characterisation) from start to finish. Abi would just be the icing on the cake of ridiculousness.

Why would it? She has the motive, she'd be shocking but simultaneously upsetting as we've known her since she was a child but the various changes in character that she has shown over the last year would mean that it makes sense. I really don't think it would be anywhere near as bad as you make out.

I know you don't like some of the policing errors that have occurred as a result of this story, but the way in which they've tied everything together and had the small moments early in the storyline come to prominence much further down the line has been truly fantastic plotting. Things like Peter looking after Patrick's allotment and Jay wearing his hat and Whitney deleting the messages. It's been very cleverly done in that sense.
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Dan
31 Dec 2014, 01:23
How would Abi know what Lucy's jewellery box looked like though?

If it's Abi, it's the most ridiculous "jump the shark" storyline in the show's history. If it's Abi, I think the reveal should and would get laughed at. It would be an utterly embarrassing storyline.

Really, this storyline has been dreadful in terms of plotting (albeit good in terms of characterisation) from start to finish. Abi would just be the icing on the cake of ridiculousness.

This is what I said in my Christmas Day review. Whoever put that gift under the tree, whoever bought that from the charity shop, knew it was Lucy's. So that's someone who'd been in her room.

I'd say Denise, as Denise bought Heather's old picture frame from the charity shop, but Denise had no opportunity (nor would she have wanted to) leave a gift for Beth under the tree, but Denise would have seen that jewelry box, which was where she kept her cocaine, IIRC.

Peter would have recognised it. Cindy, certainly. Lauren. Ben, probably. And Saint Jane from her earlier sojourn there.

You're right about Abi. She's either the biggest red herring at the moment or she's a jump-the-shark killer.



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31 Dec 2014, 01:32
Dan
31 Dec 2014, 01:23
How would Abi know what Lucy's jewellery box looked like though?

If it's Abi, it's the most ridiculous "jump the shark" storyline in the show's history. If it's Abi, I think the reveal should and would get laughed at. It would be an utterly embarrassing storyline.

Really, this storyline has been dreadful in terms of plotting (albeit good in terms of characterisation) from start to finish. Abi would just be the icing on the cake of ridiculousness.

Why would it?
Because of what he said. How would Abi have known that that particular jewelry box was Lucy's? Whoever gave that present did it with taunting intent. That's the stuff of psychopaths.

I can't recall Abi ever being chummy enough with Lucy to have palled around her room upstairs. Lauren, yes, so she would have recognised the case. So would Peter and quite possibly Ben as he stayed there for awhile after Heather's death. Cindy certainly would have recognised it. And Jane and Ian.

But not Abi so much.

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She has the motive, she'd be shocking but simultaneously upsetting as we've known her since she was a child but the various changes in character that she has shown over the last year would mean that it makes sense. I really don't think it would be anywhere near as bad as you make out.


But for the fact that she would not have known that that jewelry case was Lucy's, not ever having seen it. In all the years they've been on the show, I can never remember Abi being around the Beale household. Lauren was friends with Lucy, as they were the same age; but Abi never did hang out there much.

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I know you don't like some of the policing errors that have occurred as a result of this story, but the way in which they've tied everything together and had the small moments early in the storyline come to prominence much further down the line has been truly fantastic plotting. Things like Peter looking after Patrick's allotment and Jay wearing his hat and Whitney deleting the messages. It's been very cleverly done in that sense.


Then they need to explain how Abi could have recognised Lucy's jewelry box. This is the sort of trick someone like Ben would attempt.
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Thanks to Mute Banana for reply on episode discussion (30th December)

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This was empty on Good Friday.

Later, when both Denise and Patrick moved back the place was a tip.

Where did Patrick live between returning from Trinidad and his stroke?

I can't remember, but if he wasn't at the B&B then it being a tip looks very suspicious.
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Patrick lived at the B and B when he returned from Trinidad, because when Denise decided, intitially, that she was leaving Ian, before Lucy's funeral, she ran back to Patrick at the B and B. She was planning on leaving Walford, and Patrick was calling her a taxi. Then Jane left with Bobby, and she got sucked back into Ian's self-pity vortex.

The vandalism at the B and B was discovered after Denise broke with Ian and moved a stricken Patrick back to the B and B.
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31 Dec 2014, 01:41
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31 Dec 2014, 01:32

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Because of what he said. How would Abi have known that that particular jewelry box was Lucy's? Whoever gave that present did it with taunting intent. That's the stuff of psychopaths.

I can't recall Abi ever being chummy enough with Lucy to have palled around her room upstairs. Lauren, yes, so she would have recognised the case. So would Peter and quite possibly Ben as he stayed there for awhile after Heather's death. Cindy certainly would have recognised it. And Jane and Ian.

But not Abi so much.

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She has the motive, she'd be shocking but simultaneously upsetting as we've known her since she was a child but the various changes in character that she has shown over the last year would mean that it makes sense. I really don't think it would be anywhere near as bad as you make out.


But for the fact that she would not have known that that jewelry case was Lucy's, not ever having seen it. In all the years they've been on the show, I can never remember Abi being around the Beale household. Lauren was friends with Lucy, as they were the same age; but Abi never did hang out there much.

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I know you don't like some of the policing errors that have occurred as a result of this story, but the way in which they've tied everything together and had the small moments early in the storyline come to prominence much further down the line has been truly fantastic plotting. Things like Peter looking after Patrick's allotment and Jay wearing his hat and Whitney deleting the messages. It's been very cleverly done in that sense.


Then they need to explain how Abi could have recognised Lucy's jewelry box. This is the sort of trick someone like Ben would attempt.
And how would Ben have recognised it? Or any of the suspects that don't live in the Beale household?

Abi has shown form of pulling tricks like this earlier in the year with the email and her Halloween stunt. Maybe Abi overheard Peter and Lauren talking about Lucy keeping her drugs in her jewelry box? Maybe she found it amongst Lucy's things when she was babysitting Beth on Christmas Eve? Just because she'd never been formally introduced to the jewelry box doesn't mean she couldn't have left it under the tree... not that I'm definitely saying she did.

Besides, the person who left the gift under the tree may not even be the killer.
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31 Dec 2014, 01:45
Patrick lived at the B and B when he returned from Trinidad, because when Denise decided, intitially, that she was leaving Ian, before Lucy's funeral, she ran back to Patrick at the B and B. She was planning on leaving Walford, and Patrick was calling her a taxi. Then Jane left with Bobby, and she got sucked back into Ian's self-pity vortex.

The vandalism at the B and B was discovered after Denise broke with Ian and moved a stricken Patrick back to the B and B.
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Lucy's jewellery box had been given away to the charity shop, I believe, Whoever bought it back would have needed to have seen it and if it was simply a cack-handed attempt at cheering up the Beale family by trying to help them feel closer to Lucy, why wouldn't the person come forward? Whoever put it there must have had some sort of sinister motive.

Abi couldn't hold it together after pulling a prank to scare her sister (seeing that Cameron did most of the stalking) and broke down after dunking Lauren's head in water where the most that happened was she got a little wet. Everything we have seen of Abi suggests that she could not kill someone, particularly her sister's best mate, without completely breaking apart over it no matter what Lucy and her oversexed father had been doing.

Abi's changes this year have been ridiculous and have no way shown any kind of darker Abi for me. She has gotten mouthier and is even more entitled than usual but I really can't see how this could realistically jump to her killing Lucy and covering it up. There is all this and Lorna Fitzgerald still has that same stage-school acting style and it would make any reveal look like...well...a school production. It would be a jump-the-shark moment for me.

A few red herrings going in there don't go anywhere near covering the glaring holes I'm afraid. Outside of DTC's favourite trick of the shock twist (shoving people, seemingly at random, in and out of the frame), the plotting of it has been truly shocking for me. If you're going to portray a murder investigation, portrayal of the police is vitally important and there is a fine line at portraying police incompetence and utter unrealistic stupidity like not taking Ian and Peter seriously as suspects from the start and at the very least, the instant Jake was released. Emma did not have Peter arrested on the spot after his admission about the cocaine, the police haven't even tackled the cocaine angle and the show are trying to cover the lack of plotting with sensationalist "shocks" and it's really been poorly written.

To be honest and although I might get back into it nearer the time, I'm rapidly losing interest in the killer reveal mainly because of this. I think there are three suspects (Jane, Max, Lee) but the only thing really interesting me at the moment is if the New Year's death has anything to do with it and I'd probably care about that more especially if it's a character I like.

This story could have been great but it's pretty much near burn-out now.

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I think Abi has had her "Who dunnit"/"Who is it" moment when she was under that Weeping Angels mask - I'm pretty sure it's not her, unless they are trying to double bluff us.
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'STOP IT' was an answer to Ian's crossword in the CiN episode - and Lola can be heard saying this multiple times in Fatboy's video. Not to mention the fact that Lola lied about her alibi.

Billy and Lola it is then, with Ben and/or Jay involved.
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I want to to be Abi , because I wouldn't really mind if Lorna Fitzgerald left the show . At least Abi makes sense , some of the characters just don't even have a motive in my opinion .

But we know Abi was furious with Lucy . She knows what has happened to her family over the years as a result of Max not being able to keep it in his pants . The other person I think it could be is Whitney . She has been completely taken out of the spotlight so either the actress has been suspended again or there is a reason for this .
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Lola's becoming more prominent in my eyes. She was in the video, which means she's slipped out for '5 minutes' and her lack of screentime this year means she must be geared up for big things in 2015. It could all tie into the photos Billy had too, maybe he helped her move the body.

Emma's been so focused on Lauren being at the Beale's door in the video that she's missed the killer hiding in plain sight: Lola. Until tonight.
Edited by Bec, 31 Dec 2014, 03:10.
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