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Who Killed Lucy?; All the theories
Topic Started: 20 Apr 2014, 05:49 (367,844 Views)
MrJames
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I am well and truly into straw clutching territory now but the killer drinks their tea by taking the lid off.

... But then, do you have to take the lid off to drink it?
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When Emma said:

"You have ruined too many lives" - Could that be someone who not only killed Lucy but has previously ruined other people's lives? Or is she only talking about the family and friends lives they have ruined?

"Don't start negotiating" - There are certainly more than a few in that list of suspects who could negotiate but who would it be? I don't think its Abi, she won't be able to negotiate with a toddler let alone an ex (albeit stupid) police officer.
Edited by Mr Carter, 2 Jan 2015, 04:42.
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I think Les, Pam, Denise and Lauren can be ruled out.

Les and Pam are just there to make up the numbers. Denise would be ridiculous and wouldn't have a great deal of impact now she and Ian have split. It can't be Lauren as the actress, even if she could do the live episode, can't do the aftermath due to her maternity so it would be pointless and they are actively trying to avoid a situation where they have to write the character out again (Stacey) in order to keep the mystery.

I would have ruled Ian out, however, there is a slight possibility:

Adam Woodyatt is one of the few actors (along with June Brown, Steve McFadden, Letitia Dean and Lacey Turner - previously I'd have said Jake Wood too but not so sure now) who get to choose when to walk away from their character. This is all hypothetical but for it to be Ian, this is the only way:

Adam Woodyatt has decided to call it a day for whatever reason and has told DTC this upon DTC taking up the position. DTC has told him to give him an extra year and he'll send him off in style so he develops the Lucy Beale murder plot as Ian's swansong.

Lucy catches Ian shagging Rainie on the night of her death, they argue and Ian, in the midst of a psychotic episode caused by his mental problems which are manifesting themselves again, kills Lucy by accident unbeknown to Rainie who has already left. Ian is either seen by Ben or he contacts Jane in a rambling, confused mess, perhaps even both.

Ben and Jane both ascertain that Ian has no recollection of the event, perhaps he continues to call Lucy thinking she is alive. Both agree that Ian can never know what he did as it would destroy him so they move the body and make it look like a botched mugging. In self-preservation, Ben bullies Jay into burying Lucy's things in order to not have them traced back to him. Both actively try to keep Ian from seeking out the truth about Lucy, Ben comes back and Jane proposes to him to keep an eye on Ian and to make sure he never discovers what he did.

Deep down, perhaps Ian is even doing this hence wanting to believe that Jake was guilty.

Emma discovers one of them moved the body and says "you killed Lucy". Jane is more liable to crack than Ben so let's say it was her she spoke to. Jane says she didn't but under Emma's questioning, she eventually admits to Emma what happened. She pleads with Emma that Ian didn't know what he was doing and has blacked out the entire thing and Emma tells her that it's immaterial as it's still murder in her book. She tells Jane that she can't negotiate Ian's way out of this and that she must turn him in. She can't keep "the secret" anymore, which is Jane protecting Ian and is not, technically, Jane's secret.

It is discovered and Ian is committed indefinitely.

That's the only way Ian could work and that's only if Adam Woodyatt was leaving. It's probably not the case but an interesting thought.

I wonder if we will see Jake and/or the cab driver again. Jake seemed like he was struggling to remember something but was too drunk to fully access what he'd seen in his memory and the cab driver was going to say something until interrupted by Peter. This might still be important.

Edited by Dan, 2 Jan 2015, 12:19.
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Dan
2 Jan 2015, 12:19
I think Les, Pam, Denise and Lauren can be ruled out.

Les and Pam are just there to make up the numbers. Denise would be ridiculous and wouldn't have a great deal of impact now she and Ian have split. It can't be Lauren as the actress, even if she could do the live episode, can't do the aftermath due to her maternity so it would be pointless and they are actively trying to avoid a situation where they have to write the character out again (Stacey) in order to keep the mystery.

I would have ruled Ian out, however, there is a slight possibility:

Adam Woodyatt is one of the few actors (along with June Brown, Steve McFadden, Letitia Dean and Lacey Turner - previously I'd have said Jake Wood too but not so sure now) who get to choose when to walk away from their character. This is all hypothetical but for it to be Ian, this is the only way:

Adam Woodyatt has decided to call it a day for whatever reason and has told DTC this upon DTC taking up the position. DTC has told him to give him an extra year and he'll send him off in style so he develops the Lucy Beale murder plot as Ian's swansong.

Lucy catches Ian shagging Rainie on the night of her death, they argue and Ian, in the midst of a psychotic episode caused by his mental problems which are manifesting themselves again, kills Lucy by accident unbeknown to Rainie who has already left. Ian is either seen by Ben or he contacts Jane in a rambling, confused mess, perhaps even both.

Ben and Jane both ascertain that Ian has no recollection of the event, perhaps he continues to call Lucy thinking she is alive. Both agree that Ian can never know what he did as it would destroy him so they move the body and make it look like a botched mugging. In self-preservation, Ben bullies Jay into burying Lucy's things in order to not have them traced back to him. Both actively try to keep Ian from seeking out the truth about Lucy, Ben comes back and Jane proposes to him to keep an eye on Ian and to make sure he never discovers what he did.

Deep down, perhaps Ian is even doing this hence wanting to believe that Jake was guilty.

Emma discovers one of them moved the body and says "you killed Lucy". Jane is more liable to crack than Ben so let's say it was her she spoke to. Jane says she didn't but under Emma's questioning, she eventually admits to Emma what happened. She pleads with Emma that Ian didn't know what he was doing and has blacked out the entire thing and Emma tells her that it's immaterial as it's still murder in her book. She tells Jane that she can't negotiate Ian's way out of this and that she must turn him in. She can't keep "the secret" anymore, which is Jane protecting Ian and is not, technically, Jane's secret.

It is discovered and Ian is committed indefinitely.

That's the only way Ian could work and that's only if Adam Woodyatt was leaving. It's probably not the case but an interesting thought.

I wonder if we will see Jake and/or the cab driver again. Jake seemed like he was struggling to remember something but was too drunk to fully access what he'd seen in his memory and the cab driver was going to say something until interrupted by Peter. This might still be important.

Id say Shane and Jessie would be big enough not to be axed now. Agree that its likely Jane is involved somehow. A clue in the recap video was that she did not enter the funeral and was therefore not present when Max and Lucy was revealed. Did we even see her reaction to it. She may have known before Lucy's death. Max might not have been aware it she knew. Maybe Abi told her.
I wonder why Billy and Lola were not included as part of the 11 but both Ben and Jay were.
Could that have been a clue. Perhaps Lola did do it but of course she did not meet Emma. I
am sure Emma did not the actual killer and is most probably aware of that fact. Could the body be moved by someone who does not know who the killer was or at least did not to later. Did she not say how quiet the streets were for New Years Day. Lucy death was Good Friday also a bank holiday. Scene right in the middle of the meeting. Major clue or nothing in it?
Perhaps it's murder on the orient express style. All 11 and more have a part to play. DTC likes Agatha Christie and that's her most famous story.
Edited by Forest11, 2 Jan 2015, 12:39.
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My short list consists of Max, Jane, Lee and possibly Whitney.

I agree that, unless Adam Woodyatt has decided to call it a day, the killer won't be Ian. If he has, then it's another ballgame.

Max has form for ruining lives. He was also the first person to name a suspect - Jake Stone - and in doing so, go back on his original statement. He originally said he was inside all night, but amended that to say he stepped out for five minutes and saw Lucy with Jake.

Jane has hidden evidence which could have aided the police. Is there something on Lucy's phone she doesn't want them to see? She could be covering for Ben or Peter, but TPTB have a way of making a departing character as deeply unpleasant as possible (Peggy, Pauline, Stacey) and we can all admit that Jane has been a Class A bitch since her return. The fact that she made certain that Lauren knew Jane had "seen" her at the Beales' door was an obvious lie. Why? Because when Jane emerges as a suspect, her alibi is that she was in Masood's house the night of the killing and Lauren will say Jane saw her leave the Beale house from Masood's window.

Lee has anger management problems, as we've seen with the way he laid into Ben. He also seemed really eager to have Lauren emerge as a prime suspect to draw the scent off him. He left the party and allegedly saw Lucy argue with Billy. What happened after that? Also, Lee gets intimate with a young girl almost immediately and is so seemingly unaffected by her violent death that he starts chasing an acquaintance of hers almost immediately. Some people say there was a clue in the CIN snippet, in Ian's crossword, with the words spelled out:- "I love you" ... "Lee" ... "Stop it." Did something happen between Lucy and Lee, or is Lee covering for Whitney?

Whitney can be hectoring and she was being bullied by Lucy. Outside chance.

I think Ben helped someone move the body in return for their silence about him being released. Those people would only be someone with whom he has a link - Ian, Jane, or Abi. Max could easily have moved her body by himself, but I keep coming back to Jane. The Masood house is two doors down from the Beales. Jane would have literally had to crane her neck outside the window to have seen Lauren at the Beales' door. Her car doesn't appear to be on the Square in the video, and there was a car parked at the entrance to the Common on the CCTV footage. Ben helped Jane, Jane kept schtum and hid his evidence for him.

Re Cindy, she lied in her statement. She told Ian she went to the restaurant to look for him, and he wasn't there. Did she go straight home?

My thoughts keep coming back to Jane.
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I actually think its Whitney. I just remembered something which might be important.

Lauren told Emma she only left the room for five minutes. This was when Whitney deleted the content of the messages on the facebook page.

Dean then saying ''I only left the room for five minutes'' was Emma's lightbulb moment. Could it be connected?

Its hard to call because Whitney has had so little focus, why is that? yet Jane seems like a perfect fit as the vision of her being arrested in her wedding dress seems to good not to happen.
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Lee gave a DNA sample and his clothing from the night of Lucy's death to the cops so surely it's not him...


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Could you imagine if Cindy the Shit did it? Admits to it, doesn't change her facial expression once, flicks her hair and goes to feed Beth. Ian would probably forgive her, he lets her get away with everything else.
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2 Jan 2015, 13:35
Lee gave a DNA sample and his clothing from the night of Lucy's death to the cops so surely it's not him...


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They were in a sexual relationship so his dna would have been all over her anyway.

If dna which could identify the killer was present then everyone in Walford would have been tested by now so the dna thing is pretty much a red herring, or an attempt to throw us off the scent of it being Lee. I would have pitch Lee as a suspect had Johnny not left. I can't see another Carter leaving, not when Stan and Dean are also departing.

I certainly don't think its Abi or Max either. Emma wouldn't have been comfortable around them after meeting one of them in secret, why not do it in the house when no one was there? however her comments do suggest that she thinks Max is hiding something.
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Max deleted the video, that's what I took their last scene last night to be in reference to.
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Cam
2 Jan 2015, 13:36
Could you imagine if Cindy the Shit did it? Admits to it, doesn't change her facial expression once, flicks her hair and goes to feed Beth. Ian would probably forgive her, he lets her get away with everything else.
I don't think they should EVER fantasise of giving Cindy a major storyline in their dreams.
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2 Jan 2015, 13:39
North Korea
2 Jan 2015, 13:35
Lee gave a DNA sample and his clothing from the night of Lucy's death to the cops so surely it's not him...


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They were in a sexual relationship so his dna would have been all over her anyway.

If dna which could identify the killer was present then everyone in Walford would have been tested by now so the dna thing is pretty much a red herring, or an attempt to throw us off the scent of it being Lee. I would have pitch Lee as a suspect had Johnny not left. I can't see another Carter leaving, not when Stan and Dean are also departing.

I certainly don't think its Abi or Max either. Emma wouldn't have been comfortable around them after meeting one of them in secret, why not do it in the house when no one was there? however her comments do suggest that she thinks Max is hiding something.
Lee spent the night with Lucy before her tragic death, so was he wearing the same clothes? Perhaps Lee and Lucy had a shower meaning their DNA would be wiped out then. A change of fresh clothes too.
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What about the photos under Billy's fridge? If he and Lola have been ruled out (which I don't believe) then why would those photos be there? There's two possibilities. Peter had them of Lucy for some reason, maybe if he really was obsessed with the attention his twin was getting, or perhaps jay planted them there to throw everyone off scent, he hangs out with Lola a lot except it's always off camera.

My crazy theory is it's still Lola. For these reasons. Peter was pressuring Lola to get a job and a degree of sorts when they were together, which Jay was angry about this as it wasn't who Lola really was. She's an "Eastender". Lola was resentful of this but desperate to please him for weeks and weeks. Her catty remark to Lucy on the night she died seemed a little out of place. Lola did the weird thing of telling the press a load of details about Lucy's personal life which is the exact opposite of what everyone asked her too do. Those incidents with the "suits" this is really left wing but peter tried to make Lola wear business clothes when accompanying him to somewhere important. If Lucy was caught again at some point of CCTV but from behind, it could easily be Lola if she just did her hair like Lucy's while wearing her suit or Laurens. The "stop it" clue about Lola in Ian's crossword cause she said that in Fatboys video, There's too many A to B to C's on the suspect list. We can't really figure it out.. But the one thing we do know is that Jay and/or Ben has a hand in it. Jay was on the bus with Lucy.
Maybe Jay and Ben actually "staged" a robbery together for some reason because Ben was hiding from phil. But that went wrong somehowe as Lucy's demise screwed up their plans. Soz long comment lol, I think Emma could have bee talking to either Jay or Ben as she thinks that they are "wholly" responsible for what happened. I think It's Ben most likely, because he's linked with Abi and max (so to speak) and he has less of a conscience that Jay does when it comes down to "negotiating" and manipulating Emma.
So I realise there's huge holes in this but that's just a rough water sketch of what I think happened.
Also DTW said that they would be doing a gimmick in last nights episode and dis-including Lola and Billy in my eyes can still mean that they are involved somehow. Billy was the only one who had access to the flat where Lucy's blood was found as well.. and Alec's out of the equation.
Apart from Jake I don't see who could have planted her blood and earring.
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I'm currently away so could only dip in and out of the most recent episode with very poor Wi-Fi, but I've got a couple of observations on top of all the others.

- I don't think Emma spoke to Max - why would she communicate in the way she did when she could have had it out with him face to face from the beginning? Also, the way she was in the park didn't suggest she was talking to her murderous lover. I thought she was talking to someone much younger. She can be a little patronising anyway but I felt that more here and then her pained expression after their conversation. She was upset about who the killer was, not angry.

- I do, however, now think that Max was involved. But people are assuming he told Emma he was involved - what if the killer told Emma of his involvement when recounting their story? Emma's comment in the car was her way of letting Max know she knows what he's done.

- Everyone is focusing on how Emma has been acting, but what about how the killer is acting. A former police officer on the Lucy Beale murder case rings you late at night and tells you that she knows you're the killer - surely the most sensible thing for the killer to do is run as far away as possible. It worked for Stacey. You wouldn't stew on it for a night and then ring up the next morning asking to justify yourself, not to a policewoman even if it is Emma. So this is someone who can't realistically drop everything and flee the country. It's also someone who thinks Emma will take pity on them and it almost worked.

Emma's not the brightest button but she's a good person and I can't think of many residents she'd cover up for for nearly 24 hours. And I can't think of many residents who would rather sit and explain themselves to a police officer rather than and try and run.

I was convinced it was Lola, then Jane (and I've still not ruled out Jane) but I'm now seriously thinking Abi with help from Ben, Jay and Max. She confessed all to Emma, implicated Max (hence her comment) and hoped Emma would take pity on her.

Abi, Jane and Whitney are my top choices but, for now, Abi really fits the bill for me.

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I agree, the way she was talking to me suggested a younger person, also the Negotiating comment struck me as someone pleading for Emma to keep the secret much like someone younger would.
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2 Jan 2015, 14:55
I agree, the way she was talking to me suggested a younger person, also the Negotiating comment struck me as someone pleading for Emma to keep the secret much like someone younger would.
That could be Whitney.

No one's ever mentioned of followed through on Tamwar's discovery at the funeral or that Shabnam kept it.
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Whitney fell out with Lucy over Lee not long before she died, was seen rifling through Lucy's Facebook messages, and revealed to Tamwar that Lucy had sent spiteful text messages, disguised as 'advice' about Whitney's weight and hair.

Then there was the venomous condolences card she left at Lucy's funeral, which simply said: "Rot in Hell".

But was she trying to hide something else?
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some people on ds think Emma wasn't speaking to the killer but speaking to the person who is covering for the killer.
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Who would all of you have as the killer and the people who moved the body?
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2 Jan 2015, 15:50
Who would all of you have as the killer and the people who moved the body?
Just read the last 88 pages of this thread :P ...
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