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Who Killed Lucy?; All the theories
Topic Started: 20 Apr 2014, 05:49 (367,842 Views)
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Emma stated to either the killer or someone arguing on the killer's behalf that "that doesn't change anything, it's still murder" indicating that the person she met in the park either claimed that it was an accident or that, if they are arguing on someone's behalf, the killer wasn't in their right mind at the time. It doesn't appear to be self-defence or pre-meditated murder. It has also been acknowledged that Emma said "it's Emma" when she originally called them indicating that she is on first-name terms with them and that whoever it is either cannot or does not want to run away as they did meet Emma as she said but is not interested in coming forward.

I would say the suspect from least suspect to the most are as follows:

Lauren Branning

I would say that she is the only impossibility as Jacqueline Jossa will be into her maternity leave when the reveal has happened. Even if it was originally her, which I don't think so now, they would have had to have changed it as she is in no position to do not only the live show but the aftermath too.

Chance: : 0/10

Les and Pam Coker

Red herrings there to make up the numbers. The show would be a complete laughing stock if Pam, having euthanized her son, has become addicted to killing or even more ridiculously, Les did it to "drum up business" so he killed one girl in order to do one funeral. It would be utterly ridiculous. He may have taken money from Charlie to bury somebody under a false name but that is very different from becoming a killer. It's also fairly obvious that Paul Coker will be joining the show soon so Pam and Les having to leave makes no sense. There's more chance of it being a joint scam between Teresa Di Marco and Tony Hills than this.

Chance: : 1/10

Jay Brown

While guilty, along with David, Max, Denise, Jane, Ian, Masood, Peter, Cindy and Lauren of either lying to the police are withholding evidence (as well as armed robbery), I seriously doubt Jay killed her or knows who did considering how badly he cracked up over Heather. It seems that Lucy saw him on the bus, perhaps he led her to Ben and then he received her stolen items at some point in the night and was bullied into burying them. His attitude to Ben is that he has been dragged into this rather than willingly having been a participant in something. Highly, highly unlikely.

Chance: 2/10

Denise Fox


I know they are bringing up Denise's dark side in having shook Patrick and developing a moderate to severe drinking problem but I genuinely think this is simply due to the stress of having to look after an exceptionally ill man at the expense of their dignity. I think she went straight home and straight to bed after phoning Libby and even if you could extend a motive to Denise telling Lucy she was going to leave Ian, Lucy going mad and Denise whacking her, it's still a massive stretch. I think she was dressing Patrick at the time of Emma's meeting anyway.

Chance: : 3/10

Peter Beale

A couple of months ago, I would have said yes but now I think not as the actor has announced his intention to leave the show. It's still possible and why he was not arrested for dealing Lucy cocaine and why he wasn't prime suspect from the start having argued with Lucy and having no alibi, I have no idea. I don't think it's him, I think he will go travelling.

Chance : 4/10

Cindy Williams : 4.5/10

Possible but highly unlikely. Completely undeveloped and thrown in, not even in a background way. It seems clear that she is seen as the Beales' "replacement" Lucy, has no motive and seemed to be genuine when she said she was out looking for Ian and went home.


Ben Mitchell


Involved in some sort of criminal endeavour which ended up with him getting mixed up in Lucy, may or may not know what happened to her but didn't actually kill her, I know he has form but it would be too obvious after Heather. The only suspects I could see him covering for are Jay (but didn't or it would have come up in their private conversations), Abi and Ian. I couldn't see him risking everything and covering up for, say, Max, Jane, Lee or Whitney.

Chance: : 5/10.

Ian Beale

This entirely depends on whether Adam Woodyatt wants to call it a day. If he doesn't, it's not Ian as Adam will choose when to walk away. If he has, then Ian shoots up the suspect list and that's why I'm sticking him in the middle as I don't know the ins and outs of he and DTC's conversations, if indeed they've had one.

If Ian did kill Lucy, I don't think he knows he did and was in a state of psychosis at the time and has blocked it from his mind. It's interesting that the manifestations of his mental breakdown (persistent and mindless scratching of his arm, hunched frame when walking) have returned. If Ian did do it, I can see Ben and Jane trying to protect him by making sure he never knows what he did ("that doesn't change anything, it's still murder") as it would destroy him hence Jane dissuading him from getting information from Ben about his movements on Good Friday and burying Lucy's phone. It would also be heartbreaking, Ian loves his children more than anything despite his massive, massive faults as a parent and the knowledge that he is responsible for his daughter's death would drive him to absolute despair. He would be locked up indefinitely in a secure psychiatric unit if guilty. It all depends on Adam Woodyatt. Also, if it was Ian, Adam Woodyatt already knows. He is the only actor who would have known at the time because he would have chosen to go.

Chance : 6/10

Abi Branning

While she has to be taken somewhat seriously as a suspect and, along with Lauren, is the only one who Max would go out to protect and the implication that Max knows something, I really can't see it and it would be a total jump-the-shark moment. It's been said she has a dark side, I can't see it, she's just been brattier than usual since Jay dumped her. She couldn't dunk Lauren without going to pieces, I can't see her holding onto this secret.

Chance 6.5/10

Whitney Dean

Has to be considered one of the four main suspects. Conspicuous by her absence recently (although I don't know if something happened with the actress), returned with hardly any fanfare, subdued and fitting in in the background, we know she grew to utterly despise Lucy by the end as she was bullying her, has no alibi and if she did run into Lucy and Lucy taunted her and she lashed out in the heat of the moment, I could see her doing it. It was also stated before that Emma's trigger was Dean stating that he left the room for five minutes which also refers to Whitney and the social networking page.

The only thing against Whitney is I've never seen her on first name terms with Emma but it's highly ironic that she returned to Walford after the killer or whoever is covering received the phone call and Emma said "I'm glad I caught you" indicating she didn't know where the person she was phoning was at the time. Quite possible.

Chance: 7.5/10

Max Branning

Would the most impactful with Jake Wood's profile (he must have been given permission to do Strictly early) and Max being one of the most recognisable and impactful post-millennial characters, would have the biggest shock factor but although Jake Wood said that he wasn't sure about a new contract, I still don't think they'd let him go if they could help it.

He is a strong suspect and is definitely suspicious with his deleting of evidence and changing his statement but I also think that Emma would have spoken to him differently than she would have done as he is her partner and wouldn't have brought him to the park. Still though...

Chance : 8/10

Lee Carter

Was in a sexual relationship with Lucy, known to have a huge temper to the point where he has to be constrained in order to stop him killing someone and showed little emotion over Lucy's death. If she rejected him or taunted him perhaps, he could have easily reacted and is a very suspicious character. I think the one thing against him is that he is a Carter and I don't think DTC wants to lose any more Carters than Stan and Dean. He was clearly upset that Sam Strike left, however, a Carter being involved in the massive 30th anniversary episode will appeal to him.

Chance : 8.5/10

Jane Beale

Top suspect.

Firstly, she is marrying Ian on the day of the reveal. It would tally with the outcome being "upsetting" if the woman Ian was going to marry was revealed to him as guilty of killing his daughter on the same day. DTC loves irony and that would be it and also, the sight of Jane being carted off at her own wedding.

She has put it into Lauren's head that she was at Masood's on the night of the murder, her behaviour has been hugely suspicious. She integrated herself instantly back in with the family as was there for all the chats with the police. She doesn't want Ian following up Lucy's movements hence the burial of the phone. She didn't seem at all surprised that Peter was dealing Lucy cocaine.

Perhaps Jane knew about Lucy's habit and, like Peter, stupidly thought she could control it as it's proven through her chat with Lauren that she understands nothing of addiction. Eventually, she confronted Lucy, demanded she stop due to the pain she was causing Peter or something. Lucy launches some home truths at her, the situation gets out of hand and Jane, although not pre-meditated, kills her. She integrates herself straight back in the family, easing Denise out (the only one who would be suspicious of her) so nobody finds out what she did.

She would also be on first name terms with Emma.

Very possible.

Chance : 9/10.

Well, that's my view on it, anyway.

Edited by Dan, 2 Jan 2015, 19:52.
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2 Jan 2015, 16:30
Jim Shelley's Review

You need to read this, especially the very last part.

I heard Emma say to Max "It wasn't there." But according to Shelley, she said "It wasn't Lauren."

Anyone disagree?
As a non-native speaker, I always watch with the subtitles on - she said "It wasn't there".

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For clarification on what Emma looked at in the files:

1) number 27 Ronnie and roxys, however the picture was only of the door and the flats next door. It didn't show the windows of number 27

2) cctv screen shot. To me it looked like the outside Walford common entrance with all the street lights? But not too sure.

3) the pic of max and Lucy kissing at the Walford common flats

4) another house. Not the same pic as the first one and definitely not the b and b so I'll say it's ians.
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Abi's eyes...


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She's such a mini Tanya. It's brilliant casting given she was only a child at the time.

A very underrated actress also. I would hate for EE to lose her.
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2 Jan 2015, 19:16
Emma stated to either the killer or someone arguing on the killer's behalf that "that doesn't change anything, it's still murder" indicating that the person she met in the park either claimed that it was an accident or that, if they are arguing on someone's behalf, the killer wasn't in their right mind at the time. It doesn't appear to be self-defence or pre-meditated murder. It has also been acknowledged that Emma said "it's Emma" when she originally called them indicating that she is on first-name terms with them and that whoever it is either cannot or does not want to run away as they did meet Emma as she said but is not interested in coming forward.

I would say the suspect from least suspect to the most are as follows:

Lauren Branning

I would say that she is the only impossibility as Jacqueline Jossa will be into her maternity leave when the reveal has happened. Even if it was originally her, which I don't think so now, they would have had to have changed it as she is in no position to do not only the live show but the aftermath too.

Chance: : 0/10

Les and Pam Coker

Red herrings there to make up the numbers. The show would be a complete laughing stock if Pam, having euthanized her son, has become addicted to killing or even more ridiculously, Les did it to "drum up business" so he killed one girl in order to do one funeral. It would be utterly ridiculous. He may have taken money from Charlie to bury somebody under a false name but that is very different from becoming a killer. It's also fairly obvious that Paul Coker will be joining the show soon so Pam and Les having to leave makes no sense. There's more chance of it being a joint scam between Teresa Di Marco and Tony Hills than this.

Chance: : 1/10

Jay Brown

While guilty, along with David, Max, Denise, Jane, Ian, Masood, Peter, Cindy and Lauren of either lying to the police are withholding evidence (as well as armed robbery), I seriously doubt Jay killed her or knows who did considering how badly he cracked up over Heather. It seems that Lucy saw him on the bus, perhaps he led her to Ben and then he received her stolen items at some point in the night and was bullied into burying them. His attitude to Ben is that he has been dragged into this rather than willingly having been a participant in something. Highly, highly unlikely.

Chance: 2/10

Denise Fox


I know they are bringing up Denise's dark side in having shook Patrick and developing a moderate to severe drinking problem but I genuinely think this is simply due to the stress of having to look after an exceptionally ill man at the expense of their dignity. I think she went straight home and straight to bed after phoning Libby and even if you could extend a motive to Denise telling Lucy she was going to leave Ian, Lucy going made and Denise whacking her, it's still a massive stretch. I think she was dressing Patrick at the time of Emma's meeting anyway.

Chance: : 3/10

Peter Beale

A couple of months ago, I would have said yes but now I think not as the actor has announced his intention to leave the show. It's still possible and why he was not arrested for dealing Lucy cocaine and why he wasn't prime suspect from the start having argued with Lucy and having no alibi, I have no idea. I don't think it's him, I think he will go travelling.

Chance : 4/10

Cindy Williams : 4.5/10

Possible but highly unlikely. Completely undeveloped and thrown in, not even in a background way. It seems clear that she is seen as the Beales' "replacement" Lucy, has no motive and seemed to be genuine when she said she was out looking for Ian and went home.


Ben Mitchell


Involved in some sort of criminal endeavour which ended up with him getting mixed up in Lucy, may or may not know what happened to her but didn't actually kill her, I know he has form but it would be too obvious after Heather. The only suspects I could see him covering for are Jay (but didn't or it would have come up in their private conversations), Abi and Ian. I couldn't see him risking everything and covering up for, say, Max, Jane, Lee or Whitney.

Chance: : 5/10.

Ian Beale

This entirely depends on whether Adam Woodyatt wants to call it a day. If he doesn't, it's not Ian as Adam will choose when to walk away. If he has, then Ian shoots up the suspect list and that's why I'm sticking him in the middle as I don't know the ins and outs of he and DTC's conversations, if indeed they've had one.

If Ian did kill Lucy, I don't think he knows he did and was in a state of psychosis at the time and has blocked it from his mind. It's interesting that the manifestations of his mental breakdown (persistent and mindless scratching of his arm, hunched frame when walking) have returned. If Ian did do it, I can see Ben and Jane trying to protect him by making sure he never knows what he did ("that doesn't change anything, it's still murder") as it would destroy him hence Jane dissuading him from getting information from Ben about his movements on Good Friday and burying Lucy's phone. It would also be heartbreaking, Ian loves his children more than anything despite his massive, massive faults as a parent and the knowledge that he is responsible for his daughter's death would drive him to absolute despair. He would be locked up indefinitely in a secure psychiatric unit if guilty. It all depends on Adam Woodyatt. Also, if it was Ian, Adam Woodyatt already knows. He is the only actor who would have known at the time because he would have chosen to go.

Chance : 6/10

Abi Branning

While she has to be taken somewhat seriously as a suspect and, along with Lauren, is the only one who Max would go out to protect and the implication that Max knows something, I really can't see it and it would be a total jump-the-shark to a moment. It's been said she has a dark side, I can't see it, she's just been brattier than usual since Jay dumped her. She couldn't dunk Lauren without going to pieces, I can't see her holding onto this secret.

Chance 6.5/10

Whitney Dean

Has to be considered one of the four main suspects. Conspicuous by her absence recently (although I don't know if something happened with the actress), returned with hardly any fanfare, subdued and fitting in in the background, we know she grew to utterly despite Lucy by the end as she was bullying her, has no alibi and if she did run into Lucy and Lucy taunted her and she lashed out in the heat of the moment, I could see her doing it. It was also stated before that Emma's trigger was Dean stating that he left the room for five minutes which also refers to Whitney and the social networking page.

The only thing against Whitney is I've never seen her on first name terms with Emma but it's highly ironic that she returned to Walford after the killer or whoever is covering received the phone call and Emma said "I'm glad I caught you" indicating she didn't know where the person she was phoning was at the time. Quite possible.

Chance: 7.5/10

Max Branning

Would the most impactful with Jake Wood's profile (he must have been given permission to do Strictly early) and Max being one of the most recognisable and impactful post-millennial characters, would have the biggest shock factor but although Jake Wood said that he wasn't sure about a new contract, I still don't think they'd let him go if they could help it.

He is a strong suspect and is definitely suspicious with his deleting of evidence and changing his statement but I also think that Emma would have spoken to him differently than she would have done as he is her partner and wouldn't have brought him to the park. Still though...

Chance : 8/10

Lee Carter

Was in a sexual relationship with Lucy, known to have a huge temper to the point where he has to be constrained in order to stop him killing someone and showed little emotion over Lucy's death. If she rejected him or taunted him perhaps, he could have easily reacted and is a very suspicious character. I think the one thing against him is that he is a Carter and I don't think DTC wants to lose any more Carters than Stan and Dean. He was clearly upset that Sam Strike left, however, a Carter being involved in the massive 30th anniversary episode will appeal to him.

Chance : 8.5/10

Jane Beale

Top suspect.

Firstly, she is marrying Ian on the day of the reveal. It would tally with the outcome being "upsetting" if the woman Ian was going to marry was revealed to him as guilty of killing his daughter on the same day. DTC loves irony and that would be it and also, the sight of Jane being carted off at her own wedding.

She has put it into Lauren's head that she was at Masood's on the night of the murder, her behaviour has been hugely suspicious. She integrated herself instantly back in with the family as was there for all the chats with the police. She doesn't want Ian following up Lucy's movements hence the burial of the phone. She didn't seem at all surprised that Peter was dealing Lucy cocaine.

Perhaps Jane knew about Lucy's habit and, like Peter, stupidly thought she could control it as it's proven through her chat with Lauren that she understands nothing of addiction. Eventually, she confronted Lucy, demanded she stop due to the pain she was causing Peter or something. Lucy launches some home truths at her, the situation gets out of hand and Jane, although not pre-meditated, kills her. She integrates herself straight back in the family, easing Denise out (the only one who would be suspicious of her) so nobody finds out what she did.

She would also be on first name terms with Emma.

Very possible.

Chance : 9/10.

Well, that's my view on it, anyway.

It's interesting that you should say this because according to this the Bookies have Got Abi as favourite to be the killer and apparently viewers have put £10,000 on it(if The Mirror is to be believed.)


http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/eastenders-abi-branning-tipped-lucy-4909221?ICID=FB_mirror_main
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Map:

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Thanks for that map, North Korea - I'd been studying the layout of the Square ever since Emma's epiphany, but all I had to go on was an old version of this map, with "Gary and Minty's" still on it...

One thing it does show is that Jane is quite the acrobat... watching Lauren approach the Beale house from the Masoods' window.
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They're round bay houses. You can see the Beales entrance from the Masood house.
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2 Jan 2015, 19:54
They're round bay houses. You can see the Beales entrance from the Masood house.
I guess you've got a point there... although I still don't believe Jane actually saw Lauren. It's just a convenient way to reinforce her own alibi. Jane killed Lucy. :P
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But Laurie has signed a two year deal. I can't see the killer having two years of longevity on the show if they're exposed to the residents in February. I say residents, not audience.
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Nice map, indeed. And some strong info on the file. Awesome.

So... If there's no suspicion that anyone from number 27 or the flats are involved, what then is the connection? What is Emma seeing there? I find it hard to believe that it's not important.
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But Laurie has signed a two year deal. I can't see the killer having two years of longevity on the show if they're exposed to the residents in February. I say residents, not audience.
Unless we've been provided with a pdf copy of the signed deal, it can be as much of a red herring as any of the on-screen goings on.
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Are we assuming here that the actor is going to leave soon after the reveal? If so surely the cast would all be assuming it's someone who is leaving....if not someone is in for a shock sacking so I could only assume who ever has done it is not necessarily leaving soon after the reveal or the actor who is the murderer does know they are and have been told to keep their departure a secret as well as the fact they are the murderer.
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But Laurie has signed a two year deal. I can't see the killer having two years of longevity on the show if they're exposed to the residents in February. I say residents, not audience.
That could be bluff and spin.....Porkies of a benign nature Im sure are being told to throw us of the scent'

In Corrie everyone knew that the character played by Gwen Taylor was his killer because she was the only actor known to be leaving the show....making the tension for viewers virtually non existent and I would hope that the BBC have taken note of this.
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There could, in theory, be a trial.

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Or even a killer getting away with it. Happened in Brookside for a couple of years.
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2 Jan 2015, 19:40
She's such a mini Tanya. It's brilliant casting given she was only a child at the time.

A very underrated actress also. I would hate for EE to lose her.
I think she is underrated as well. Lots of people on DS don't like Abi and don't think Lorna can act but I think she can she has been fantastic in episodes when she is given the right stuff. I thought Lorna was good in this episode and I felt sorry for Abi as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd1fqyJzEXA
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DTC has hinted the secret doesn't die with Emma. Has she told someone. I think Max knows something.
I don't think we going to get flashbacks through I hope we do. As it fells important we know why Emma did what she did and said what she did.
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Just because the killer is revealed to us....doesn't mean everyone will know...
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