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Who Killed Lucy?; All the theories
Topic Started: 20 Apr 2014, 05:49 (367,839 Views)
Professor Plum
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I cant quite get the wording right in my head, but I am thinking back to Ians wedding to Mel. He married Mel under the pretence that Lucy was dying. Jane is remarrying Ian, bought back together by Lucys death. Could that have been caused by Jane? (lots of other reasons why Jane did it, but just going with the irony theory here)

Whitney. We know Max likes young women. Could Lucy not be the only one Max was screwing? We have a big catfight, we know the two girls dont really get along. Things go a bit far, Whitney turns to Max for help in a panic.

but that doesnt explain all the hints between Max and Abis and her suspicious behavior. Unless she somehow found out about it or somehow got involved and Max is now protecting her.

I dont think Max loved, or even cared for Emma that much. I think she was a convenient shag and a way of keeping up with what was happening on the case, so he could take action if necessary.
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2 Jan 2015, 23:20
Dan
2 Jan 2015, 23:12
I genuinely think Abi is a red herring, however, Whitney has gone up in my suspicions and she's made my top three in front of Max now.

It was posted in the episode thread and I saw it at the time but she had a big smirk on her face when Emma was being discussed in the pub scene. I thought she was laughing at Denise falling over drunk but she's never had anything against Denise as far as I'm aware. I also wondered why she was sitting with the Beales and the Cokers, she doesn't usually hang around with them.

She also returned from Milton Keynes with no fanfare, looking worried and withdrawn, there was no big return scene with her and Lee or her and Lauren, she just randomly showed up in the Square again. What if she came back because she was called back by a certain deceased policewoman?

"I'm glad I caught you" suggests that she didn't know where the person she was calling was at the time.

She came back with Carol who said she Whitney rushed back to see Lee. It's all fitting into place.
Lee also spoke to Whitney after Emma had found out about the activity on Lauren's laptop for which Whitney was responsible.
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Another thing about New Year's Day, where did Ben and Jay disappear to? We saw them early on, then Phil told them to get some money out of the safe for Dexter's wages, and then they were gone for ages. I know they went to the other safes at the Arches and R&R, but it doesn't take hours to do that and they were gone all morning. In fact, they ended up missing the ceremony completely and were late for the reception, as Sharon made a point of asking Phil where they had disappeared to.

It's very possible that one or both of them met Emma, but even if that's the case, I still think they are just covering for someone.
Edited by leobeast, 3 Jan 2015, 02:13.
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Apologies if this has already been posted somewhere but this Anna Acton interview is good .

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/eastenders-i-think-abi-max-4910851
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Anybody good identifying cars?
Top two seem alike to me, bottom one -- no idea.

So the top car with arrows pointing is simply Ian's car. [edit_reason]Update[/edit_reason]
Edited by CivvyStreet, 3 Jan 2015, 10:10.
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Fehnder
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Perhaps Lauren saying no one was in is contradicted by the car outside?

Who's silver estate car is that?

There's got to be something with the outside of the houses in both real time, the pictures and fat boys video.
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Fehnder
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Perhaps it's the owner of that long silver car? It's parked outside the beales in the video, but emma hasn't seen it since? Meaning it's not a beale residents car? Hence "it wasn't there" as in the car wasn't there. That's about all I can come up with tonight!!
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Except the silver estate car is ians. Boo!! (Ian is driving it when mick gets arrested covering for Ian via rainie situation)

Has ians car been seen since good Friday? It isn't in the pics that Emma looked at parked outside, not sure how that would incriminate you though? It suggests that Ian was at home when Lauren was outside is all?
Edited by Fehnder, 3 Jan 2015, 03:19.
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Maybe that is when Ian was going to see Rainie for their you-know-what.
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CivvyStreet
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Ian&Rainie

Thanks, definitely Ian's car in top two pictures then. Not sure if it's relevent. He was at the restaurant too at some point I presume, as well as his appointment with Rainie, so he's not necessarily in.
Edited by CivvyStreet, 3 Jan 2015, 03:32.
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Fehnder
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Plus the Ian and rainie and mick thing was after good Friday. Not sure it's relevant then?
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Okay so whoever it was knows how to drive a car, from that I'm guessing we can eliminate Abi (she killed a dog in 2 seconds flat) and Cindy, and maybe a few others? Unless they had a partner in crime of course who did the dirty work for them by driving the vehicle.
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3 Jan 2015, 03:54
Plus the Ian and rainie and mick thing was after good Friday. Not sure it's relevant then?
yes, Ian/Rainie/Mick was after Good Friday. The photo was just a convenient one to show that it's definitely Ian's car outside his house in Fatboy's footage on Good Friday. I'm not sure of any of the cars in the cctv of walford common. Or if any of this is relevant! But Emma seemed to be looking at something in that footage of Fat's other than Lauren.

One possibility is she's looking for Jane's car, as this was parked in front of Ian's when Denise came back in the cab on good friday BUT it would be out of shot in the footage anyway.

I feel I've sent people on a wild goose chase with the cars -- sorry, unintended.

What I'd like to see is a proper timeline of all the stuff we know... Am I right in thinking we only know a few times for certain from the bus footage etc?
Edited by CivvyStreet, 3 Jan 2015, 10:09.
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The fact that Ian's car appears in the video does, I believe, hint at the time it was recorded. Its presence suggests that Ian had returned home after meeting Rainie, and that he was presumably inside the house when Lauren approached the front door.

Cindy saying she could feel Lucy in the house suggests that may be where she was killed. I certainly wouldn't rule it out.

Also, Lucy was the one who initially encouraged Ian to make Jane stay in Walford. Perhaps it's something she came to regret.

If Abi did it I don't think Max knew until the funeral. He found out on-screen that Abi knew about him and Lucy, so surely he wouldn't have covered for his daughter for a month without discovering her motive.
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Timeline:

7.58pm Lucy leaves house, speaks to Lauren, says she'll send a msg to Peter, speaks to Max
8.05pm runs onto bus, Jay also
8.22pm gets off bus, Jay also in same direction

Then...
Meets client -- what do we do with the drunken sailor? She gets Jake and her a cab back to Walford

When did she argue with Billy? (And Lee following)
When was the Fatboy footage taken? I assume after Jay got back and Lauren had been at the party for a while so went looking for Lucy. Ian's car is there so he may have returned from his fling. Denise is presumably in bed asleep...
When was Max meant to have gone out with Tramp? If that even happened.
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I would also suggest that whoever transported Lucy's body by car hadn't been drinking at Roxy's party.

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This is why we need a flashback episode. We need to see everything for ourselves, or so many strands of the story will fall away into insignificance. Think of it like this: if we, after an 88 page thread of intense speculation, are still clueless as to what happened, imagine how casual viewers will feel when the reveal comes. There have simply been far too many twists and turns that we need to be reminded of, or we'll forget much of what has happened, and to forget parts of the story would be to do it an injustice because of the intricate way it's been weaved these last ten months.
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3 Jan 2015, 10:59
This is why we need a flashback episode. We need to see everything for ourselves, or so many strands of the story will fall away into insignificance. Think of it like this: if we, after an 88 page thread of intense speculation, are still clueless as to what happened, imagine how casual viewers will feel when the reveal comes. There have simply been far too many twists and turns that we need to be reminded of, or we'll forget much of what has happened, and to forget parts of the story would be to do it an injustice because of the intricate way it's been weaved these last ten months.
Ether a flashback episode, or at least a complete roundup stringing all events together in the Case File on the BBC EastEnders website.

Or better still: an "after-show" directly following the live episode, for which, in true Hercule Poirot style, DTC gathers the cast (including Hetti Bywater and Anna Acton, of course), the writers, and maybe a couple of lucky fans around him to recreate and explain the timeline and the suspects' movements on Lucy's fateful night.

That way, we'd get all the answers and the cast's reactions to them, without EastEnders having to resort to flashbacks.
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3 Jan 2015, 10:12


Cindy saying she could feel Lucy in the house suggests that may be where she was killed. I certainly wouldn't rule it out..

This is actually a really good point. How tragic if all along she had died in her own home.

I echo others. They should have done a flashback episode. We haven't heard anything so I doubt its happening.
Edited by Roly, 3 Jan 2015, 11:38.
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I'm starting to think Jane is too obvious now but i could buy her covering for someone.

Whitney is listed as one of the 11 suspects yet only had ONE scene in the New Years Day episode when we found out who the suspects were. I think its Whitney and Lee is somehow involved.
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