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| Who Killed Lucy?; All the theories | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: 20 Apr 2014, 05:49 (367,837 Views) | |
| Torrie | 3 Jan 2015, 13:48 Post #1881 |
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One thing I picked up on was Emma saying to the killer something along the lines of "That doesn't change anything - it's still murder ..." Surely, given Emma's background, she would have to mean that literally and not simply overlook lesser charges like manslaughter. Which, in my mind at least, should rule out any kind of ... I dunno, accident during a heated argument or a fall and then collapse from a head injury. And yet that seems to be what everything else has pointed to, that Lucy's death happened without real intent. So that would suggest whatever the killer told Emma, if she's right about the murder element, has to be some desperate justification, maybe something they feel Lucy did, rather than an explanation of the mechanics of what happened - like, "she just fell" or whatever. I also kinda doubt now, given Emma's fate, that the writers would go for another underlying head injury collapse ... |
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| Katie | 3 Jan 2015, 14:14 Post #1882 |
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I'm maybe missing something obvious, but where are these four cars? I mentioned this ages ago, but I still want to know why there are 90 seconds missing from the middle of that footage. |
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| Dan | 3 Jan 2015, 14:16 Post #1883 |
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If Emma had said, "that doesn't change anything, it's still manslaughter", I think it would have jolted with the viewer. Ben is called a murderer despite having no malice of forethought in killing Heather. To be honest, I don't see any of the suspects killing Lucy in sound mind and in cold blood. I can only see it being an argument that got out of hand. The only ones who I think could or would kill in cold blood are Ronnie, Nick and Steven who are no longer suspects. |
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| Fehnder | 3 Jan 2015, 14:17 Post #1884 |
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I'd imagine the missing 90 seconds is the bus arriving. The four cars are bottom right, parked in a row. |
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| Mormon Girl | 3 Jan 2015, 14:28 Post #1885 |
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Did Emma actually meet the killer some people on DS think she met the person covering for the killer |
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| Katie | 3 Jan 2015, 14:30 Post #1886 |
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Thanks, I thought it was one car parked the other way round. I'm convinced that all Emma's phone calls and the meeting were with the actual killer. Edited by Katie, 3 Jan 2015, 14:30.
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| Fehnder | 3 Jan 2015, 14:31 Post #1887 |
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I thought it was one car initially too, I thought it looked like Janes car |
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| North Korea | 3 Jan 2015, 14:36 Post #1888 |
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Parked like this: |
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| King Billy | 3 Jan 2015, 14:37 Post #1889 |
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I'm convinced she didn't meet the killer. I'm not ruling out Billy or Lola, especially the latter. |
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| DRAPPLEdreamers1992 | 3 Jan 2015, 14:40 Post #1890 |
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I'm just trying to imagine the ways Abi or Lauren aren't involved in a "first person" sense. So I can't remember what the issue was surrounding that key.. Stacy had asked someone to look after it a while back. The lack of scenes between herself and max lately though succeeds making us think that he's just covering for his own as it seems that's the only way he can be logically connected to her murder. But perhaps if something "connected" to Lucy had been kept in that safe/container and Max had gotten worried that it would falsely incriminate him. Then whoever put the "thing" in the safe/ container had explained this to Emma in their meeting. That would explain her in the kitchen saying she's paying attention more to what was going on, and her "you know" to max. My only other one is unless Abi hid a camera in the flat Lucy went to, hoping to catch footage of Lucy and Max together to continue sending threats to Max in a more lucid way. However instead she caught something more sinister which she can't tell anyone about it. The seriousness of what she witnessed is the cause for her sketchy behaviour. I.E On Halloween she seemed resentful at how easy Lauren's life was going. And Abi's accused her and Emma on both counts for being rather blissfully ignorant of what's really going on around them, maybe she's feeling the weight of what she knows. Really it had all begun as a hoax for Abi with the photos but then she got more and more tied up in the situation than expected. |
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| Torrie | 3 Jan 2015, 14:47 Post #1891 |
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Yeah, I get that going into specific charges would be clunky as hell, but she could have just said: "That doesn't matter, you still killed her ..." Especially if it is someone close to Lucy, that's really the shock value - that they would cover it up, knowing what it's doing to the whole family. It could still have been a heat-of-the-moment type thing and still murder, I guess, depending on the exact circumstances. Not to get too far off track, but if you row with someone and do something which you should know would severely injury or maybe even kill them, that's still murder, just not premeditated. It would only be manslaughter if you couldn't have expected a fatal outcome - like pushing someone over and them hitting their head. |
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| Mrs Peel | 3 Jan 2015, 14:50 Post #1892 |
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I'm calling it: Ian killed Lucy and is in denial. Jane moved the body to the common in her car. At some point, Ben appeared and either helped Jane or helped himself to Lucy's phone and purse, which he subsequently gave to Jay to dispose of. I always found it odd that the Beales didn't seem particularly surprised to see Ben back on the Square. Jane's hidden the purse and phone to cover for Ian. Ian has blacked this out - remember people have noticed that some of the manifestations of his earlier mental state are making themselves present again - scratching his arm, shuffling gait etc. Ian may have killed Lucy in the house, after Lucy returned from helping Jake or she may have come upon him with Rainie and they argued. Either way, Jane knows and Jane knows that Ian is in denial. This would also explain why she seems so reluctant to help the police. Ben also told Phil what happened that night, but he told him off-screen, so I think Phil knows. So what happens to Ian? Nothing. Between Phil, Sharon, Jane and possibly Max, they conspire to pin the blame of Lucy's death on ... Nick Cotton. This would be in revenge for Nick tampering with the car which killed Emma and hurt Ronnie and Charlie. Nick goes to prison for a murder he didn't commit. Ian remains on the Square, yet another person who's killed someone walking about scot-free. Whether he subsequently remembers or whether he's condemned to live a life knowing what he did may have been a tragic accident, that is something with which Ian will have to suffer forever. It will probably be the reason Peter leaves. For the record, I think Ian and Lucy argued. He either shook her or pushed her and she collapsed, maybe partly as a result of having injured her head a week before in Max's office. It will be an accident, but it will be an illegal death. I think Emma was talking to Jane, who was explaining what Ian did and why then need to keep that a secret. THAT'S how Lucy's killer will remain on the Square. |
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| CivvyStreet | 3 Jan 2015, 14:57 Post #1893 |
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Depends on Walford's bus lanes. Unlike much of East London, Walford has had long term access to a tube station. It may have missed out when London went on a bus lane spree in the early 2000s. If it did miss this, the car would be quicker. But a bus can be pretty zippy on the decent lanes. We'll need to go back to Ken Livingstone's era to check this one out. I'm on it.
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| Fehnder | 3 Jan 2015, 15:01 Post #1894 |
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While id be surprised that Phil wouldn't just shop Ian it's plausible if it's to keep Ben out of it. He doesn't want Ben to go to prison. Max must be involved in some small way also I'm sure of it. And I actually love the idea of them pinning it on nick. However to do that nick would have to go to prison after the anniversary or the reveal would have to be sooner wouldn't it? It would be complex. Personally I like your theory mrs peel. I always get the sense that rainie wanted money in return for ians alibi (perhaps he wasn't with her as long as he said) I also think ians eyesight has come into play. Finally, it would fit why Jane has suddenly changed her tune about ian and also why she would initially take bobby. |
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| Roly | 3 Jan 2015, 15:03 Post #1895 |
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While Jane looks suspicious I really don't think its her at all. I also don't think its Ian. I would have trouble believing Ian killed Lucy as Adam hasn't played it that way. So if it turns out that he suddenly killed her and has been keeping it secret there would be too many plot holes imho. Thats why I keep coming back to Whitney. She did some very suspicious and strange things after Lucy's death and has had a low profile all year. If they wanted someone to fly under the radar then its her. They would also have no trouble exposing Whitney as the killer and the audience being able to believe it because of how little reaction we have seen from her. I'm wondering if Emma is referring to the car not being there someone took it without Jane's knowledge. If that's the case then I'm zooming over to Masood who gave Lucy a long and strange look in the good friday episode without any real reason to do so. |
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| Fehnder | 3 Jan 2015, 15:04 Post #1896 |
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Actually, I can't see max being too involved, Lauren would never forgive him for.covering for lucys killer. However it brings the cotton Mitchell drama into the Lucy story nicely. It also means when Adam wants to leave he's got a nice story waiting for him when he's discovered. |
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| WalfordE20 | 3 Jan 2015, 15:09 Post #1897 |
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Skimming through the murder episodes again. A few observations: On Good Friday, Jane's car is outside the Beales' when Denise gets home. Ian's car is there too. On Easter Monday, Jane randomly posts a letter and then dissuades Ian from phoning Lucy. Later there's a scene of her hitting some food, and then a cut to Lucy on the common. She is seen joking around with Peter though, so I'm wondering if the killer is someone who barely featured. In the Minute Mart, Bianca talks about slapping Lucy and Whitney says to just forget it. Also, it was never explained why Abi snapped at Jay when buying the antacid. We didn't see their reactions to the murder either. |
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| Torrie | 3 Jan 2015, 15:13 Post #1898 |
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While I think it would make good drama for it to be Ian, especially given how he's even admitted she was always his favourite, I just can't see it being him - not because it's not plausible in itself, but I couldn't see the long-term implications being plausible. Unless Ian eventually hands himself in, is handed in by someone else, or ends up killing himself. For a man so mentally fragile and emotionally disturbed to just carry on more or less as normal would be a very hard sell. I know there are plenty of people in Soapland with a lot on their conscience, but in one way or another, they tend to be made of sterner stuff than Ian. And yes, we know he can be callous and manipulative and vindictive, but he's not TOUGH. And the victim isn't just anyone, it's his precious Lucy. Shafting her over a business deal isn't the same as killing her. If it is Ian, I'd expect his time in the Square to be over. I also think it will be someone else, because I think his reaction and the impact on him will be central to the reveal - if the reveal is for the Walford residents and not just the viewers. Ian as a character is so central to the show and its history - any fallout being left for Jane and the kids isn't going to have the same resonance. |
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| Shaz1022 | 3 Jan 2015, 15:14 Post #1899 |
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If it was anyone from Lucy's family , I think the guilt would have been too much and they would have turned themselves in so I can't buy it being any of them . |
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| leobeast | 3 Jan 2015, 15:14 Post #1900 |
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At the moment I'm leaning toward Whitney, with Lee heavily involved in covering it up. That would bring the Carters into the story without Lee necessarily having to leave the show. I don't know how that brings Ben and Jay into it though, since they obviously know more or did more than they are letting on. That story Ben spun Ian about how they got Lucy's possessions was clearly bull. Maybe they stumbled upon Whitney and Lee whilst running from the robbery, but why would they not have just said that by now? I don't know anymore. My head hurts. Edited by leobeast, 3 Jan 2015, 15:16.
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