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Who Killed Lucy?; All the theories
Topic Started: 20 Apr 2014, 05:49 (367,836 Views)
Mrs Peel
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Ian may be blocking out what he did, and what he did was probably unintentional and accidental.

Ian and Lucy have always had a volatile relationship since her adolescence. Remember this scene with another Lucy:-



I think this is turning into a cover-up to protect Ian. At the moment, Jane and Phil know, and Phil's motivation is primarily Ben's involvement, because this could send Ben back to prison.

As someone else said, this will tie up the Cotton-Mitchell feud into this storyline, it will put Nick behind bars, ironically, for a murder he didn't commit, and it will give Ian a vehicle by which he can end his Walford tenure when Adam Woodyatt is ready to go.

Still makes Walford look a bit ridiculous as a haven for killers, though.
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Mrs Peel
3 Jan 2015, 14:50
I'm calling it: Ian killed Lucy and is in denial. Jane moved the body to the common in her car. At some point, Ben appeared and either helped Jane or helped himself to Lucy's phone and purse, which he subsequently gave to Jay to dispose of.

I always found it odd that the Beales didn't seem particularly surprised to see Ben back on the Square.

Jane's hidden the purse and phone to cover for Ian. Ian has blacked this out - remember people have noticed that some of the manifestations of his earlier mental state are making themselves present again - scratching his arm, shuffling gait etc. Ian may have killed Lucy in the house, after Lucy returned from helping Jake or she may have come upon him with Rainie and they argued. Either way, Jane knows and Jane knows that Ian is in denial. This would also explain why she seems so reluctant to help the police.

Ben also told Phil what happened that night, but he told him off-screen, so I think Phil knows.

So what happens to Ian? Nothing.

Between Phil, Sharon, Jane and possibly Max, they conspire to pin the blame of Lucy's death on ... Nick Cotton. This would be in revenge for Nick tampering with the car which killed Emma and hurt Ronnie and Charlie. Nick goes to prison for a murder he didn't commit.

Ian remains on the Square, yet another person who's killed someone walking about scot-free. Whether he subsequently remembers or whether he's condemned to live a life knowing what he did may have been a tragic accident, that is something with which Ian will have to suffer forever. It will probably be the reason Peter leaves.

For the record, I think Ian and Lucy argued. He either shook her or pushed her and she collapsed, maybe partly as a result of having injured her head a week before in Max's office. It will be an accident, but it will be an illegal death. I think Emma was talking to Jane, who was explaining what Ian did and why then need to keep that a secret.

THAT'S how Lucy's killer will remain on the Square.
It would be very Twin Peaks. . .

Would you buy this as a fan though Mrs Peel? (Even if you think the solution makes sense in terms of the plot, could you accept it as plausible in terms of being a viewer who knows the characters?)
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I agree ians reaction should be central, however who says Ian even has to know what he did? The reveal could be between the people who know discussing fitting up nick for it.

Perhaps there is no drama at the wedding, just the sad thought that we know their secrets regarding Lucy. I have to admit, id prefer a drama free wedding!!
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Or maybe Adam has expressed a wish to leave hence getting the achievement award last year. But not around the anniversary meaning nearer next Christmas he could find out what he's done?

Sometimes I do think the fact that Ian would be so redicously impossible given ians status in ee and Adam as a long serving cast member makes it so much more likely to happen.

Sometimes it's better to hide in plain sight and the most obvious is because it's true.
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It's Freddie Roscoe from Hollyoaks, he constantly has a shocked face:o.
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I know it sounds ridiculous to talk of tainting Ian's character when you think of some of the nasty, cruel stuff he's done over the years, but he is such a part of EE's history and there's huge affection for the actor. I know feelings towards the actor wouldn't change, but even if Adam was leaving, I don't know if the writers would want his character 'tainted' in that way. Sometimes he's been a 'love-to-hate' figure, but again, there's a big leap to killing his own daughter. I guess it could be played as very tragic, but again, I find that a bit of step - putting the rest of the family through the whole ordeal of not knowing, especially Peter. Unless he somehow doesn't know - but I find that a reach as well. Surely if there had been a row and a bump to the head or whatever, knowing Lucy had died, you'd panic and wonder if it could have been your fault. Unless he has totally blacked it out. Which would be awfully convenient.
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3 Jan 2015, 13:21
18th April, Jane's car was at Masoods' hours before the murder.

Fast forward to 1:22 min:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjomBg-c2rA
No, Jane's car is the blue one outside number 43.

There's a big clue to the identity of who killed Lucy in the footage of Lauren outside the Beales house. The mystery can be solved with one question: where is Jane's car? ;)
Edited by Ross, 3 Jan 2015, 15:51.
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Didn't the BBC upload the phone video? I need to see it again?

Just noticed something. In Abi's video she mentions Max going to walk the dog, but in Max's video he doesn't.
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It's pretty odd that Ben tells Phil then we hear nothing.more.

The man with the neck tattoo mention.could also help frame nick.

The thing is, you cant technically see if Janes car is.still in front of ians? And surely if her car was in any common cctv that would immediately point at her?
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3 Jan 2015, 15:48
Didn't the BBC upload the phone video? I need to see it again?

Just noticed something. In Abi's video she mentions Max going to walk the dog, but in Max's video he doesn't.
On page 83 of this thread there's the link to the fatboy video
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Can anyone remember exactly what Janes alibi was? Did she ever mention going out? And did we see her in the pub or anywhere in lucys murder ep?
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Fehnder
3 Jan 2015, 15:48
It's pretty odd that Ben tells Phil then we hear nothing.more.

The man with the neck tattoo mention.could also help frame nick.

The thing is, you cant technically see if Janes car is.still in front of ians? And surely if her car was in any common cctv that would immediately point at her?
Fair point. But, at the end of the day, the car has moved position from where it was for most of the day, to when Lauren went knocking on the Beale's door (that is if the car is now parked in fromt of Ian's).
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3 Jan 2015, 15:26
Mrs Peel
3 Jan 2015, 14:50
I'm calling it: Ian killed Lucy and is in denial. Jane moved the body to the common in her car. At some point, Ben appeared and either helped Jane or helped himself to Lucy's phone and purse, which he subsequently gave to Jay to dispose of.

I always found it odd that the Beales didn't seem particularly surprised to see Ben back on the Square.

Jane's hidden the purse and phone to cover for Ian. Ian has blacked this out - remember people have noticed that some of the manifestations of his earlier mental state are making themselves present again - scratching his arm, shuffling gait etc. Ian may have killed Lucy in the house, after Lucy returned from helping Jake or she may have come upon him with Rainie and they argued. Either way, Jane knows and Jane knows that Ian is in denial. This would also explain why she seems so reluctant to help the police.

Ben also told Phil what happened that night, but he told him off-screen, so I think Phil knows.

So what happens to Ian? Nothing.

Between Phil, Sharon, Jane and possibly Max, they conspire to pin the blame of Lucy's death on ... Nick Cotton. This would be in revenge for Nick tampering with the car which killed Emma and hurt Ronnie and Charlie. Nick goes to prison for a murder he didn't commit.

Ian remains on the Square, yet another person who's killed someone walking about scot-free. Whether he subsequently remembers or whether he's condemned to live a life knowing what he did may have been a tragic accident, that is something with which Ian will have to suffer forever. It will probably be the reason Peter leaves.

For the record, I think Ian and Lucy argued. He either shook her or pushed her and she collapsed, maybe partly as a result of having injured her head a week before in Max's office. It will be an accident, but it will be an illegal death. I think Emma was talking to Jane, who was explaining what Ian did and why then need to keep that a secret.

THAT'S how Lucy's killer will remain on the Square.
It would be very Twin Peaks. . .

Would you buy this as a fan though Mrs Peel? (Even if you think the solution makes sense in terms of the plot, could you accept it as plausible in terms of being a viewer who knows the characters?)
Not at all, because I don't think this producer has the gumption to sacrifice a major believeable killer, and by that I mean someone of the calibre of Jane or Max, or even to have made someone like Ronnie Mitchell, already a killer, pay legally for what she has done.

We several people who have killed, either accidentally (Phil and now Roxy), deliberately (Ronnie, Ben, Stacey) or assisting a suicide (Pam). A woman who kidnaps and keeps a child is allowed to return to that same community.

And we have a rapist hanging around for good measure.

As good as the show is at the moment, it's low on giving people sufficient karma for killing/harming other people.
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3 Jan 2015, 15:48
Didn't the BBC upload the phone video? I need to see it again?

Just noticed something. In Abi's video she mentions Max going to walk the dog, but in Max's video he doesn't.
Max later corrected that when he told the police about seeing Lucy with Jake Stone. His words were "I only stepped out for five minutes."
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Denise was in the beale house. Unless she left again after going into the bedroom.

If she left, where did she go?

Could it be the murder happened in the restaurant? It would help to know where Cindy was too.

Theres still a few holes in the idea for sure, but it's all down to the location of the murder and who was where.
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The thing I don't get is why the killer just walks away from Emma, knowing that she has the power to out them. I get that it's one of the residents and not a crazed serial killer who is prepared to off anyone who stands in their way. But it seems a bit odd.
"Here's my side of things ..."
"It's still murder ..."
"Oh, okay, bye then ..."

Emma holding off in the hope that the killer will go to the police on their own I get - it will go better for them than if they have to be hauled off. Not much, mind you, given how long they've stayed quiet. But that again makes me think it's someone Emma is that wee bit closer to or has more concern for - a Beale or a Branning. Would she particularly want things to go easier for someone like Lee or Whitney or even Ben, although his connection to Ian may soften her towards him?

I also wonder if there's a clue in how much Emma didn't want to meet the person alone? I guess you could just say that's sensible when dealing with anyone who killed someone. But she wanted to meet in the open and didn't want the wee cafe bloke to close up. Given that she is a trained cop, would she be SO nervous about meeting the likes of Lauren, Abi or Whitney? Whereas physically at least, she may have more to worry about with, just for example, Peter or Lee or even Jane.
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Well well well. Something is definitely not there.

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Fehnder
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The cars have moved in any case. Ians car is further forward.

Also fatboys video has no time. It wasn't pub closing as they all left before Lucy got on the bus.

So how much later was that?
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3 Jan 2015, 16:10
Well well well. Something is definitely not there.

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Case closed. B-)
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Fehnder
3 Jan 2015, 16:07
Denise was in the beale house. Unless she left again after going into the bedroom.

If she left, where did she go?

Could it be the murder happened in the restaurant? It would help to know where Cindy was too.

Theres still a few holes in the idea for sure, but it's all down to the location of the murder and who was where.
The restaurant is a good suggestion. It's where she opened her eyes that day- maybe it's where she closed them too. It's plausible for any of the Beales to have been there that night, and would of course fit the 'upsetting' label.

I'm really going to miss the speculation once all this is over. In some ways might be a good thing though. Most people don't spend their Saturday trying to work out who killed Lucy Beale. B-)
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