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Who Killed Lucy?; All the theories
Topic Started: 20 Apr 2014, 05:49 (367,833 Views)
soetmo
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Ian's eyesight and glasses wearing - still has to be relevant.
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Soetmo
3 Jan 2015, 19:28
Ian's eyesight and glasses wearing - still has to be relevant.
Perhaps along with Lauren and lucys outfits? Also the comment from the paper about saying Lucy was blonde and Whitney asking why her hair colour was important?

Could Ian has mistaken Lucy for Lauren? Or Lauren for Lucy?
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I'm in the kitchen eating a biscuit
The impression I'm getting from Jane and have been getting for quite some time now is that this woman is actually rather unhinged.

I wouldn't be surprise if the only reason she ever returned was for one reason and one reason only: revenge. I don't believe she came back in January 2014 with revenge in mind, but being around the Beale's once again made her realise how awful she had been treated from 2004-2010 (with Ian's affair with Glenda having been the straw that broke the camel's back). This would all tie in with the characters personality change from a decent hard-working human - if a little judgemental at times - to a complete and utter two-faced manipulative, sly old control freak.

There is just something about that woman that screams out freaking crazy.
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Lots of people think Ian made a mistake due to his sight, but I don't see what he could have done. And Ian doesn't really acknowledge Lauren, at all. At a stretch he was annoyed when she unintentionally compared herself to Lucy when the peters cocaine secret came out.
Lauren said she was going to be his daughter in law and however he took it out of context eerily snapping that he wasn't his daughter. It's got nothing to do with Ian so much.. but there are clues to an identity mishap.

The hair colour comment from Whitney, IDK maybe at the time she was thinking about the cyber texts Lucy sent her, giving her helpful "advice" about Whitney's hair and her body. She could have been projecting her own self consciousness about lee wanting Lucy more than her but who knows.
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DRAPPLEdreamers1992
3 Jan 2015, 20:16
Lots of people think Ian made a mistake due to his sight, but I don't see what he could have done. And Ian doesn't really acknowledge Lauren, at all. At a stretch he was annoyed when she unintentionally compared herself to Lucy when the peters cocaine secret came out.
Lauren said she was going to be his daughter in law and however he took it out of context eerily snapping that he wasn't his daughter. It's got nothing to do with Ian so much.. but there are clues to an identity mishap.

The hair colour comment from Whitney, IDK maybe at the time she was thinking about the cyber texts Lucy sent her, giving her helpful "advice" about Whitney's hair and her body. She could have been projecting her own self consciousness about lee wanting Lucy more than her but who knows.
It might be symbolic: he didn't see what was in front of him.
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Soetmo
3 Jan 2015, 19:28
Ian's eyesight and glasses wearing - still has to be relevant.
I think it will simply be down to Ian was driving looking for her and had passed her without knowing because he didn't have his glasses on
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I don't think Jane is much different, apart from being more secure in her own mind and a little more direct.....but I think that shows character development from her moving away and her having to hold her own for a while, especially having Bobby to look after and stick up for. (Bullying)

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I fear that some of us have put more thought into this story than the producers did. One of the common complaints is about the show forgetting its own history. It could be that we are putting things together that they didn't even imagine!
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MrJames
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They've rather playfully added a 'Who did Emma text?' to the Weekly Quiz on the website.
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Katie
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The annoying thing about the text scene was that if you were there you'd know which direction the sound came from. The characters would have realised but wouldn't have any idea of the significance! Surely someone needs to check her phone at some point.
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Emma was disorientated and screaming at Max so many may have been too distracted by that.

Jane has been unbearable since Lucy's death, strutting around as if she owns the Beale house, undermining and patronising Denise, demanding how Ian should handle Peter (which was, really, none of her business) and emotionally blackmailing Lauren into taking him back. Peter is passive-aggressive but Jane is even more so, has made sure she has been there for every bit of police questioning to Ian, dissuading him from pushing Ben further, burying Lucy's phone and purse and giving Lauren an alibi that doesn't quite ring true with me.

I like the Ian theory a lot but Jane is still my top suspect.

Max has gone out of my immediate suspect this. I genuinely don't think it's him now.


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Was the sound that loud anyway. It was magnified for the audience to hear.
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3 Jan 2015, 17:38
Maybe someone needs to check the episodes from lucys death to Jane taking bobby and see when her car reappears? If it's still gone when Lucy is discovered etc it wouldn't be in the house pics in emmas files (although I'm sure ians isn't either)
The back of Jane's car can be seen parked in the square when Emma and Bryant first arrive to report Lucy's death. Ian's car is not there and they park behind Jane's in the spot that Ian normally uses. Ian is visiting Max at the time, his car could have been at the restaurant, or they may have just moved it for the dramatic effect of the shots of Emma and Bryant driving around the square and parking directly outside the Beale house.

Ian made several attempts to phone or find Lucy that day and also left a message on the table for her, if she returned. If Ian killed Lucy, it was either a clever ploy to divert suspicion from himself, or he had serious psychological problems and didn't remember that he had killed Lucy. I don't find either explanation convincing.

I also find it hard to imagine Jane as the killer, but she has acted suspiciously and I think the absence of her car on Good Friday night was almost certainly what triggered Emma to solve the case.

As has been mentioned, maybe we are paying more attention to detail than the producers. This happened in the case of Archie's murder, where there was no way that the flashbacks could be reconciled with the detail in the original scenes. I'm hoping for better things this time.

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david
3 Jan 2015, 21:43
Fehnder
3 Jan 2015, 17:38
Maybe someone needs to check the episodes from lucys death to Jane taking bobby and see when her car reappears? If it's still gone when Lucy is discovered etc it wouldn't be in the house pics in emmas files (although I'm sure ians isn't either)
The back of Jane's car can be seen parked in the square when Emma and Bryant first arrive to report Lucy's death. Ian's car is not there and they park behind Jane's in the spot that Ian normally uses. Ian is visiting Max at the time, his car could have been at the restaurant, or they may have just moved it for the dramatic effect of the shots of Emma and Bryant driving around the square and parking directly outside the Beale house.

Ian made several attempts to phone or find Lucy that day and also left a message on the table for her, if she returned. If Ian killed Lucy, it was either a clever ploy to divert suspicion from himself, or he had serious psychological problems and didn't remember that he had killed Lucy. I don't find either explanation convincing.

I also find it hard to imagine Jane as the killer, but she has acted suspiciously and I think the absence of her car on Good Friday night was almost certainly what triggered Emma to solve the case.

As has been mentioned, maybe we are paying more attention to detail than the producers. This happened in the case of Archie's murder, where there was no way that the flashbacks could be reconciled with the detail in the original scenes. I'm hoping for better things this time.

Yeah the entire aftermath of Archie made no sense. only if's its Peter or Ian(maybe Lauren) will these problems exist this time.
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I've changed my mind as days have passed, but I am sticking with Ian having killed her and blocked it from his mind. Furthermore, I think the following people know he killed her - Jane, Ben, Phil, and possibly Jay.

I think her death was a tragic accident. I can't begin to say where she was killed, but wherever it was, I think the first thing Ian did, or maybe Ben or Jay (because I think they happened upon the aftermaths of this with Ian) was to call Jane. Jane left with her car, and took charge of the situation. I think Jane used the car to take Lucy's body to the Common, and Ben helped her. Ben would have had the foresight to have taken her purse and phone to make it look like a mugging.

I think Ian's blocked everything from his mind, but he's just managing to hold things together. However, every now and then, something tugs at his memory and he starts to manifest his anxiety by behavioural patterns observed before his breakdown - the scratching, the shuffling, the crying.

I thought it strange, in view of Lucy's possessions being found, how reluctant the Beales, especially Jane, were to go to the police. Ian was the one who rang Keeble about the phone and purse, but Jane took control and nixed that idea. She also hid the items instead of ditching them. Ben told Phil, off-screen, what happened, so we don't know what Ben said.

Then there was the jewelry case left for Beth. Only someone familiar with Lucy's bedroom would have known that case in the charity shop belonged to Lucy - Ian, Jane, Denise, Peter, Cindy and quite probably Lauren.

Now, remember the last thing Ian did before he trudged off in his bathrobe, barefoot, when he had his breakdown? He tried to fry Mandy's wedding ring. Ian could have bought back the jewelry case and put it under the tree for Beth in a psychotic moment.

Once again, the Beales seemed reluctant to take this information to the police, and the Brannings followed their lead, more because Max was concerned for Lauren - and, yes, the alibi Jane gave Lauren was purely to cover Jane's arse, because not only was it difficult to see from Masood's front window who was at Ian's door, Jane wasn't there. And that's why there was no car for Jane when Lauren called at the Beale house. Ian, however, may have been cowering inside, blocking out what had happened.

We need to know a timescale as well ...

Lucy left the house, looked briefly for Peter, then had words with Max and walked away. We know she took a bus to the Common that Jay also took. She met a drunken Jake there and returned to the Square with him, where the foreign taxi driver said Jake was too drunk to walk and Lucy was begging him to help her take Jake into the flat. Perhaps she hurt herself and bled there whilst sorting him out.

But what happened after that?

And there's the part - we know Jay left the party because Ben rang him, and he was on the same bus as Lucy, albeit going to rendezvous with Ben. Lee left the party, because he saw Lucy arguing with Billy about Billy's theft of the fish, but what time was that? After she returned with Jake? What happened then? Lauren left the party early too, and that's when Jane's car was missing, it seems.

It would have been easy to lift Aleks's keys that night because he was with Roxy all night at her party, but Jake would have had his own keys as well.

There are a lot of blanks that need filling in, but I think the Mitchell and Cotton storylines are all going to converge with the Beale saga for the 30th. That's why I think Nick will be framed for Lucy's murder, and Ian will have to remain living on the Square with what he has done.
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Fehnder
3 Jan 2015, 19:32
Soetmo
3 Jan 2015, 19:28
Ian's eyesight and glasses wearing - still has to be relevant.
Perhaps along with Lauren and lucys outfits? Also the comment from the paper about saying Lucy was blonde and Whitney asking why her hair colour was important?

Could Ian has mistaken Lucy for Lauren? Or Lauren for Lucy?
Ian has reading glasses. That was touched upon when he was seen to be holding a menu at arm's length to read it, and Lucy nagged him about getting glasses. Most of the time we see him without glasses, but usually when he has them on, he's been working on the computer or doing some sort of reading. Ian isn't near-sighted, so I think the glasses were just written into the script to explain Adam Woodyatt suddenly appearing with them.
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I find Jane so annoying and want her to leave. I don't want her to be the killer because I want to enjoy the outcome, not think oh great it's Jane.
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This evening...

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Edited by North Korea, 3 Jan 2015, 22:28.
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3 Jan 2015, 22:25
Just came here to post this. Hysterical.
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A few people have pointed out that Lucy and ians last conversation was strange in itself.

I just don't see who else it could be. I don't think it's Jane (although she is most definitely involved) and I don't see it being peter or Lucy.

Ians mental health would be classed as potential mitigating circumstances which would encourage Jane to try to get emma to keep "the" secret.

A cover up of this scale with Jane pulling the strings also means having nick set up is not far fetched.

Ultimately I think so many people believe it just can't be Ian. He can't be leaving, he couldn't have killed his daughter, Adam wouldn't do it. That's exactly the reason why it's the better idea. No one will believe what essentially is quite obvious. Ian was almost dismissed from the start because of Adam.

Also, with dtc saying about it being great, or him needing a new job. Who else could it be? Who else could be the killer that would be that risky?

I only think if it's Ian, then Adam has known all along.
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