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Eastenders writers ' conference
Topic Started: 6 Jul 2014, 17:39 (7,935 Views)
The Local Butcher
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So what if he did get hired for his videos? People get hired for all sorts of reasons. There's no reason to be jealous or to whine out of some sense of perceived injustice that they choose him over someone more qualified which A: we don't know to be true, B: even if there was someone more qualified it doesn't mean that person was right for the job and C: it's really none of our business.

Qualifications are certainly an important of the hiring process but at the end of the day you're looking for the right person to join your team. Sometimes simply getting noticed, having a fun personality and the right attitude is all it takes. You can train a novice how to do their job but you can't change someone into the kind of the person you actually want to work with.
Edited by The Local Butcher, 4 Feb 2015, 13:46.
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Good luck to the fella!

While I hope he wasn't JUST hired for his videos (he already proved he had good ideas in his videos), at the end of the day - his role is a junior storyliner. Not a writer. There's a rather big difference between those two roles.

I would be lying, though, if I said I wasn't at all jealous of him. ¬_¬ The man has my dream job! :lol:
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4 Feb 2015, 13:03

And I can't recall what Newman and Kirkwood did but I'd say the same about them too. It's something I'm very biased about because writing is my one passion and I know how hard it is to break into the industry.
Kris Green ex DS guy (huge backlash on John's WW) and Katie Douglas many said it wasn't right she was straight from the academy are 2 that spring to mind off the top of my head. Not the only cases. At the time I didn't say anything but I will admit there are times when certain members forget what they have said about others in the past and not applied the same logic elsewhere. Plus couple of posts on DS imply EEs history isn't his strong point. Seems like a lovely chap so I want to make it clear I am not knocking the guy as a person.
Having said that if they are up for hiring people with zero experience in the field I wouldn't mind a few guys on here (not me!) who have fantastic ideas and have a good grasp for EEs backstory too.

Local Butcher: I am not "whining" when making a point you don't agree with. I fully admit he could be incredibly talented I just think its a shame there are many experienced talented people who have worked and are out of work. I think people should work there way up like the old days. I cant speak for others as I am not jealous as I am no writer and I fully admit I would be terrible in such a role. Is our business for those of us who pay the license and as fans in general. The crew often face criticism on here like I said not the first time this has happened. Just making an observation when it was done in the past.
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4 Feb 2015, 17:35
Local Butcher: I am not "whining" when making a point you don't agree with. I fully admit he could be incredibly talented I just think its a shame there are many experienced talented people who have worked and are out of work. I think people should work there way up like the old days. I cant speak for others as I am not jealous as I am no writer and I fully admit I would be terrible in such a role. Just making an observation when it was done in the past.
Sometimes I use words that unintentionally come across harsher that I mean them to. I just think it's weird that some people seem to have need to get upset over every insignificant thing they perceive to be unjust. It's hardly worth getting upset about the fact that some guy got a job that might or might not have gone to someone with better credentials. We all wish we could have that kind of lucky break in our lives and I don't think any of us are concerned about who we might be stepping on in the process.
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4 Feb 2015, 18:02
Jade
4 Feb 2015, 17:35
Local Butcher: I am not "whining" when making a point you don't agree with. I fully admit he could be incredibly talented I just think its a shame there are many experienced talented people who have worked and are out of work. I think people should work there way up like the old days. I cant speak for others as I am not jealous as I am no writer and I fully admit I would be terrible in such a role. Just making an observation when it was done in the past.
Sometimes I use words that unintentionally come across harsher that I mean them to. I just think it's weird that some people seem to have need to get upset over every insignificant thing they perceive to be unjust. It's hardly worth getting upset about the fact that some guy got a job that might or might not have gone to someone with better credentials. We all wish we could have that kind of lucky break in our lives and I don't think any of us are concerned about who we might be stepping on in the process.
Fair enough thanks for clearing it up. I am not upset rarely get upset about EE. Like I said not sure I think its right, welcome to be wrong and the only thing I pointed out was the fact under 2 unpopular EPs there was a massive backlash and I even remember who was all involved in that. At the time I said nothing but its interesting to see DTC getting a pass on something both Newman or Kirkwood did with a backlash. Maybe it will work out better this time.
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I think part of the problem with the previous EPs was that they were losing good creative staff rather than hiring too many inexperienced people. No matter who's running the show it will always be a testing ground for young talent just because of the volume of work that needs doing and the fact that there simply aren't that many creative people who want to do soaps long term.
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4 Feb 2015, 18:34
I think part of the problem with the previous EPs was that they were losing good creative staff rather than hiring too many inexperienced people. No matter who's running the show it will always be a testing ground for young talent just because of the volume of work that needs doing and the fact that there simply aren't that many creative people who want to do soaps long term.

But what your mentioning about the previous is not what they were complaining about. It was exactly the reasons I stated in a previous post. I remember very well what was said.
Considering a few years about the huge amount of submissions of non EE scripts (as used to be the rules) for work on EE I actually don't believe that. Writing is a very difficult job to get paid work in so I don't see it.
I would much prefer to have a small writing team, some people who know the show and some researchers for continuity. That would work best. I believe that used to be the case with Corrie?
I don't watch it but I heard it was one of their better things over EE. Right now we have writers all over the shop, many not liaising with each other why some episodes don't flow well and some who write terrible scripts and don't know the show at all. I would stop this bitty writing here there and everywhere and make a very small team.
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It's most likely a cost issue. Having writers on full time employment is probably more expensive than hiring freelancers.
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4 Feb 2015, 13:18
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4 Feb 2015, 11:03
I hope she doesn't mind me saying this but I would love Mrs Peel to apply or be spotted by EE. She knows the show inside out and would be a great asset to them.
Thanks, but I'd be best in Continuity, as poor as the current lot are.
They got rid of the continuity advisor a few years ago so now there's no one who specifically does continuity. It shows. You'd be great at it but you've had spats with cast members on Twitter before so I doubt they'd let you apply!
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I think the writing team are doing very well at the moment with only some continuity issues. New writers such as Anya Reiss and Jessica Lea have done some great work and not to mention we have a Sarah Phelps script coming up. Before DTC, Newman and Kirkwood seemed to rely heavily on Simon Ashdown for the big episodes and overseeing the writing team but they managed to spread the creativity and episodes through now which is proving to be successful.
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I think it's more a case of people liking Rory more than they did Kris Green, Jade. Nice to see nice things happen to nice people and all that.
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I just wory based on the quality of his reviews, *chomp chomp* ;)
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4 Feb 2015, 19:12
I think the writing team are doing very well at the moment with only some continuity issues. New writers such as Anya Reiss and Jessica Lea have done some great work and not to mention we have a Sarah Phelps script coming up. Before DTC, Newman and Kirkwood seemed to rely heavily on Simon Ashdown for the big episodes and overseeing the writing team but they managed to spread the creativity and episodes through now which is proving to be successful.
It's certainly improved but I don't think it's quite there yet. Oddly considering they're DTC's pet project it's the Carters who's continuity seems to get mucked up.
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They got rid of the continuity advisor a few years ago so now there's no one who specifically does continuity. It shows. You'd be great at it but you've had spats with cast members on Twitter before so I doubt they'd let you apply!
I wouldn't want to apply. However, they should have a continuity specialist. That's something Corrie's let slip as well.

For the record, I think the writing room is strong. They just need to rid themselves of the man-hating attitude or of the writers who can't rid themselves of that.
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4 Feb 2015, 22:19
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I think the writing team are doing very well at the moment with only some continuity issues. New writers such as Anya Reiss and Jessica Lea have done some great work and not to mention we have a Sarah Phelps script coming up. Before DTC, Newman and Kirkwood seemed to rely heavily on Simon Ashdown for the big episodes and overseeing the writing team but they managed to spread the creativity and episodes through now which is proving to be successful.
It's certainly improved but I don't think it's quite there yet. Oddly considering they're DTC's pet project it's the Carters who's continuity seems to get mucked up.
Ashdown was accused, and rightly so, of turning it into The Branning Show. It was he who f*cked Sharon's character up when she returned by trying to fit her into the Branning dynamic. However, DTC seriously needs to rein in the Carters somewhat in 2015.
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Ashdown was accused, and rightly so, of turning it into The Branning Show. It was he who f*cked Sharon's character up when she returned by trying to fit her into the Branning dynamic. However, DTC seriously needs to rein in the Carters somewhat in 2015.
And they need stronger male characters, the women are allowed to be strong and bolshy, yet the men are portrayed as weak, simpering doormats.
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Ashdown was accused, and rightly so, of turning it into The Branning Show. It was he who f*cked Sharon's character up when she returned by trying to fit her into the Branning dynamic. However, DTC seriously needs to rein in the Carters somewhat in 2015.
They're getting story after story thrown at them and there's no aftermath to them aside from the rape. DTC's era has been the best in a long time but the lack of aftermath for some of the stories is a bugbear of mine.
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They're getting story after story thrown at them and there's no aftermath to them aside from the rape. DTC's era has been the best in a long time but the lack of aftermath for some of the stories is a bugbear of mine.
This was always the fault when he was second-in-command to Santer: no aftermath. The 25th annniversary, anyone? The Carters have had a sample of re-mixes and variations of some of the most important and recogniseable storylines thrown at them for the short year they've been on the show. All well and good for other characters to have storylines, but somehow it was contrived for the Carters to infiltrate those. For example, Ian's main secret about the night Lucy died (his kerbcrawling with Rainie) suddenly became all about Mick. Sharon's major storyline of the year was all about Shirley in the end. The aftermath of Linda's rape and how she and Mick are dealing with it is, ultimately, a vehicle by which Mick and Shirley reconcile - and not over Linda, but over Dean and Stan's final illness.

As for strong female characters, loud does not denote strong. The strongest female character on that show was Janine, a woman who didn't always need a man in her life to sustain her image of herself as complete. At the moment, Stacey's the closest thing to Janine left on the Square. Even if and when she's romantically paired with someone, this mature version of the character won't try to belittle, shout down, trash mouth or be clingingly dependent on a male. Linda Carter has gained strength from the appalling rape she suffered. She's certainly stronger than her husband, but if anyone thinks Kat is a strong female character, they've got another think coming.
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This was always the fault when he was second-in-command to Santer: no aftermath. The 25th annniversary, anyone? The Carters have had a sample of re-mixes and variations of some of the most important and recogniseable storylines thrown at them for the short year they've been on the show. All well and good for other characters to have storylines, but somehow it was contrived for the Carters to infiltrate those. For example, Ian's main secret about the night Lucy died (his kerbcrawling with Rainie) suddenly became all about Mick. Sharon's major storyline of the year was all about Shirley in the end. The aftermath of Linda's rape and how she and Mick are dealing with it is, ultimately, a vehicle by which Mick and Shirley reconcile - and not over Linda, but over Dean and Stan's final illness.

As for strong female characters, loud does not denote strong. The strongest female character on that show was Janine, a woman who didn't always need a man in her life to sustain her image of herself as complete. At the moment, Stacey's the closest thing to Janine left on the Square. Even if and when she's romantically paired with someone, this mature version of the character won't try to belittle, shout down, trash mouth or be clingingly dependent on a male. Linda Carter has gained strength from the appalling rape she suffered. She's certainly stronger than her husband, but if anyone thinks Kat is a strong female character, they've got another think coming.
If Alfie spoke to Kat the way Kat speaks to Alfie there'd be complaints about bullying. Shouting the loudest doesn't make you the strongest, I wish the writers would realise this.
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Simon Ashdown is the most overrated writer in the history of the show. The vast majority of his scripts were pretentious, clichéd, self-congratulatory non entities.

I do agree with the statements made earlier that the main factor when it comes to creative writing is natural talent and everything else can be learned on the job itself. Sometimes, a writer has to be reigned in by others as writers are, naturally, incredibly close to and passionate about their work and need someone to cast a cold eye over it to improve on it. I write and this has happened with me.

Writing has massively improved in regards to characterisation on the show, however, plot writing is mediocre to poor.

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