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| DirtyDen | 11 Jan 2015, 22:38 Post #81 |
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I think we can all agree June is getting on in years now and so probably only has a year or two left where she can work at the level she does, I for one will be incredibly sad to see her go when she eventually finishes. Edited by DirtyDen, 11 Jan 2015, 23:07.
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| SunhillPumpkin | 11 Jan 2015, 22:44 Post #82 |
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Being *responsible* for a death and murder arnt the same thing, |
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| Desdemona | 12 Jan 2015, 00:19 Post #83 |
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I find it an absolutely delightfully tragic scenario (as DTC likes it), a mother killing her son. It is about time that Dot took responsibility for the monster she produced rather than behaving like an idiot. |
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| See You Slater | 12 Jan 2015, 00:22 Post #84 |
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I know this is probably blasphemy to some, but I've always found June Brown a very weak actress and I'm not sure she'd do a storyline such as this justice. Obviously, it all depends on the circumstances of the death. If it's an accident, I think they may be able to get away with it but I doubt June Brown would be able to portray a murderer very convincingly. |
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| Mrs Peel | 12 Jan 2015, 00:27 Post #85 |
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If that's the case, then I hope Ronnie confesses and gets sent to prison. OK, she would have killed two bad men, but she's not got the right to take the law into her own hands. If this is the case, I hope she gets nabbed. |
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| Mrs Peel | 12 Jan 2015, 00:28 Post #86 |
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It could also mean she's calling it a day. |
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| See You Slater | 12 Jan 2015, 00:32 Post #87 |
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DTC won't send Ronnie to prison. He loves Sam Womack to much. He was fawning over her casting back in 2007 and judging by the many breaks she's had since 2013 he still fawns over her now. Expect the lines 'tragic heroine', 'suffered enough already' and 'this is EastEnders, not everyone gets punished' to be wheeled out in interviews with DTC in coming months. |
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| Mrs Peel | 12 Jan 2015, 00:37 Post #88 |
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Thank you. You articulated it far better than I ever could. The show is short on legacy and original characters to the point that it isn't surprising that a lot of the show's original ethos and history has been lost. The number of characters dying/murdered since 2010 has been alarming as well as the number of people who have killed swanning around the Square, and - as someone else pointed out - Dot has killed before. As this comes at "the culmination of the Lucy Beale story", it means one murder on top of another. I didn't think Walford was London's version of The Midsomer Murders. Either this is Dot's swansong, or, from reading the articles, she's been framed by Ronnie, who will have done the deed. If June Brown is leaving, fine, if sensationalism is her route out of town; but if she isn't, I'm hoping that it's Ronnie who killed him and who, ultimately, gets caught. She's got karma coming bigtime. |
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| Mrs Peel | 12 Jan 2015, 00:39 Post #89 |
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Nick gets his karma, and I hope his killer gets hers. And I'm not talking about Dot, but about one who's killed before and shown no remorse whatsoever. |
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| See You Slater | 12 Jan 2015, 00:41 Post #90 |
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Ronnie's way of showing remorse was by jetting off to Ibiza with her sister. As Kat once said: "Don't let a murder ruin your holiday!" Edited by See You Slater, 12 Jan 2015, 00:41.
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| Cam | 12 Jan 2015, 00:58 Post #91 |
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Place your bets folks; Dot poisons a battenburg or Mrs Doyle smashes him over the head with a teapot and frames Dot. I hope Nick's final words are hilarious. But I definitely agree about them killing off originals. And like Mrs. Peel said, it's one death after the other. Too much sensationalism on the run up to the 30th anniversary could potentially ruin the show, just like the 25th anniversary, they need to be careful. |
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| See You Slater | 12 Jan 2015, 01:03 Post #92 |
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In the last eighteen months alone there has been Tony (off screen), Michael, Carl, Lucy, Emma and now maybe Nick. Jim will also probably die this year after the passing of John Bardon. They're going to have to start being careful. |
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| DirtyDen | 12 Jan 2015, 01:13 Post #93 |
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I disagree. If Nick dies around 30th anniversary it doesn't mean there will be anymore deaths this year. It's fitting that Nick is calling himself Reg Cox and is likely to die around the anniversary. Well done DTC for paying homage to the past while keeping the show fresh. Let us not forget how much the show has improved under his tenure? Or would people prefer to go back to kidney gate! |
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| Sey | 12 Jan 2015, 01:36 Post #94 |
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The show has improved but it is a long, long way from flawless. More and more of DTC's bad habits are starting to trickle through the show. |
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| Mrs Peel | 12 Jan 2015, 01:41 Post #95 |
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Yep, he's a man who likes to over-egg. |
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| The Other Slater Cousin | 12 Jan 2015, 01:46 Post #96 |
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I'd hate Dots leaving line to be something so extreme. Dot, and June, deserve something fitting to the character. Dot getting ill and in her last days finally realising that despite her loneliness she has felt for all these years, she has a family around her who love her, from Charlie to Sharon to Ian. Dot doesn't have affairs or have cat fights in the Square, she is an old woman who has scrambled through life with her faith as her only constant. That should be reflected in her finale. |
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| MrJames | 12 Jan 2015, 01:53 Post #97 |
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I do wonder if there will ever come a time that some of these DTC comments don't make me feel uncomfortable. Just how often do we hear people say "I love DTC, he is so amazing, he's getting everything right! He's perfect, I love him, he's the answer's to all of EastEnders' prayers!"? Hardly ever. I can count maybe on one hand the occasions where I've heard someone actively personally praise him in that manner. Or maybe there are many more that I'm simply not thinking of, there probably will be, but it definitely doesn't feel as active or as 'extreme' as some of the criticism does. And that's not because people don't think he's doing a good job because clearly they do, but praising him personally just isn't the done thing unless there are special circumstances where it is relevant. So we do why do we so freely and personally criticize DTC in these ways? I criticize and praise EastEnders, the show. You will never ever see me criticizing or praising DTC, the man. Ever. Is it because I'm an English Literature student and I have it instilled in me to dismiss and forget about the author as soon as I pick up a book? Probably. But anyway, it makes me uncomfortable. Perhaps that's just me. Edited by MrJames, 12 Jan 2015, 02:03.
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| The Other Slater Cousin | 12 Jan 2015, 02:04 Post #98 |
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What I feel is odd is that Dominic is held responsible for anything people didn't enjoy in Santers Era, and now. But surely, if you are blaming the man in charge now, the Santer as EP was at fault before? I don't know. It is all a bit too personal at times. I mean, at the end of the day it's a piece of fiction, and something is definitely working as last week showed. |
| "I loved it in the Olden Days because you talked more. There’s more action now. You know, we would do scenes in the Rovers of me, Bet and Doris Speed with a cup of coffee each before we opened the pub, talking about absolute rubbish. But it was something, and it was what people do." - Betty Driver | |
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| Cam | 12 Jan 2015, 02:23 Post #99 |
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But no one batted an eyelid when Newman and Kirkwood were in charge and everyone was complaining about them. If someone doesn't like DTC's vision of the show, they should be allowed to say so, just like with Newman and Kirkwood. It's Louise Berridge (I think?) I feel sorry for, she had a stalker who terrorised her for months. Nothing like that has happened with DTC. I don't think anyone solely blames the producer, but he has the overall say on what makes it onto the show and what doesn't. |
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| The Other Slater Cousin | 12 Jan 2015, 02:33 Post #100 |
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I think there is a clear difference though. A lot of people complain about "Kirkwood" or "Newman" not as individuals, but as a representation of the era. To me, I understand that. It was a bad time overall for the show, and it's an easy reference point. There's the flip side to this though, which I have been guilty of in the past. There's the "DTC and his bad habits", "Thought he wasn't doing Greatest Hits? He lied" etc. Thats a lot more personal. Also unnecessary most of the time, whoever it's about. Also, I criticise the show whenever I feel it's not doing something well. But I separate that from DTC as an individual. |
| "I loved it in the Olden Days because you talked more. There’s more action now. You know, we would do scenes in the Rovers of me, Bet and Doris Speed with a cup of coffee each before we opened the pub, talking about absolute rubbish. But it was something, and it was what people do." - Betty Driver | |
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