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Week 5
Topic Started: 20 Jan 2015, 17:56 (5,155 Views)
randomnumbers18
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Hello! I'm new here and haven't been watching EE too long, so correct me if I am wrong, but isn't assisted suicide also the story behind Pam Coker and her son?
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Kim
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randomnumbers18
23 Jan 2015, 21:25
Hello! I'm new here and haven't been watching EE too long, so correct me if I am wrong, but isn't assisted suicide also the story behind Pam Coker and her son?
It seemed so. They've kept it vague though, so I wonder if it'll be expanded on if/when Paul Coker makes an appearance.
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Mormon Girl
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SausageSurprise
23 Jan 2015, 18:22
Corrie did it too, a year ago with Hayley Cropper. I'm not opposed to such storylines, but in the case of the Carters I agree it's probably a bit much to be heaping upon them in so short a timespan.

But let's see how it pans out... perhaps after weeks of Mick and Tina fretting over Stan's request, they'll find him in his bed one morning, having died peacefully, like Lou Beale.
I agree we should see how this pans out before judging it.
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Terry
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23 Jan 2015, 01:42
An assisted suicide means a gaggle of more killers walking about the Square. This is getting beyond a joke. DTC needs to rein in the over-egging.
I don't consider them killers at all, they are helping a loved one.

I know the what the law says but you just can't taint them with that brush, its offensive in my opinion to many loved ones who have suffered alongside terminally ill relatives.

I think its an issue that needs to be sorted, it should not be a criminal offence to put someone out of their misery. Animals are allowed such a privilege.

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Terry
24 Jan 2015, 15:37
Mrs Peel
23 Jan 2015, 01:42
An assisted suicide means a gaggle of more killers walking about the Square. This is getting beyond a joke. DTC needs to rein in the over-egging.
I don't consider them killers at all, they are helping a loved one.

I know the what the law says but you just can't taint them with that brush, its offensive in my opinion to many loved ones who have suffered alongside terminally ill relatives.

I think its an issue that needs to be sorted, it should not be a criminal offence to put someone out of their misery. Animals are allowed such a privilege.

I agree with this. If I had cancer which was terminal I wouldn't want my family to see me get worse and worse. Animals are put down when they are really ill.
Edited by Mormon Girl, 24 Jan 2015, 15:53.
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Slater11
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CarterEnders.
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Kim
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Took the words right out of my mouth. Sick of them and have been since about June/July.
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I'm so disappointed to see that there will be another heavy week for the Carters. I understand that DTC wants to utilise the Carters a lot but I think he should have put them "on hold" until the 30th anniversary is over. I want to see more of the classic characters such as Ian, Sharon, Dot, Phil, Carol, Kat, Alfie, etc.

Shirley, Mick and Linda need to be used less and I want to see more of other underused characters such as Kush, Shabnam, etc.. Stacey Slater needs a big story pronto. They are wasting Lacey Turner's talents.
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Leon
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Hooray! Another Carter-heavy week(!) :ermm:
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Ruperta
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I thought they said the main focus in the run up to the 30th would be Ian Sharon and Dot not seeing much evidence of it so far.
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They've barely started with the rape and parental reveal aftermaths and already they're doing an assisted suicide plot. What do you mean overload? The entire show has become Carterheavy, very serious and extremely plot driven. It's like there's no time to just let characters just breath and be themselves anymore.

It personally annoys me how much we're just supposed to assume is happening off-screen. This show needs to calm down and take some time out to actually show Ian running his restaurant, Sharon being a mother to Denny and running her bar and answer simple questions like whether Cindy is finally learning to cope with being a teenage mother for more than two scenes.

Some people may find that stuff boring but not every plot has to be about rape, murder and death. It's ultimately counterproductive to not show characters just being themselves and going about their daily lives. You need to see the good stuff for the bad stuff to matter.
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Leon
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I hate to jump on the Carter hate bandwagon because I do actually really like them but they seriously need a rest. I feel as if the anniversary week will be all about the other characters and then it will go back to the Carters dominating.
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Kim
24 Jan 2015, 22:10
Took the words right out of my mouth. Sick of them and have been since about June/July.
Which ones are you sick off? Im only sick of Shirley, Babe and Dean the rest like Linda, Mick, Nancy and Stan I love and I think Tina and Lee are ok.
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I know some people don't really like the Carters but which ones do you like and should be kept in the show and which ones don't you like and would you like to see leave? I think Shirley, Dean, Babe and Sylvie should leave because its Shirley that drags the Carters down. Also I think a small nice family unit with Mick, Linda, Nancy, Lee, Tina and maybe Elaine will be nice.
Edited by Mormon Girl, 25 Jan 2015, 16:43.
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25 Jan 2015, 16:26
Kim
24 Jan 2015, 22:10
Took the words right out of my mouth. Sick of them and have been since about June/July.
Which ones are you sick off? Im only sick of Shirley, Babe and Dean the rest like Linda, Mick, Nancy and Stan I love and I think Tina and Lee are ok.
All of them except Stan, Nancy and Elaine. I much preferred Shirley and Tina before the rest of them turned up.
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Ruperta
25 Jan 2015, 02:36
I thought they said the main focus in the run up to the 30th would be Ian Sharon and Dot not seeing much evidence of it so far.
They will be for the 30th week and possibly the week afterwards then they will disappear for ages for no reason while the Carters come to the front again. Bear in mind the Carters are still part of the 30th as well. This has been non stop since they arrived. And NO family has had this much added on in such a short space of time not the Slaters, not the Brannings or the Mitchells.

Its not fair that the Carters not only have their storylines looked at but examined from every angle possible to the point of it going in circles. While Kat gets over her agoraphobia in a day and Denise is found out to have abused Patrick and we don't see her for weeks sometimes months at a time. Had Linda done either of these think she would get the same treatment? No a chance would have been months of looking at it from every angle and then back again. Thoroughly sick of the rest of the cast been treated so poorly. I am getting to the point where I am starting to tune out when they are on because its boring. I miss EastEnders.
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Kim
25 Jan 2015, 17:30
Mormon Girl
25 Jan 2015, 16:26

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All of them except Stan, Nancy and Elaine. I much preferred Shirley and Tina before the rest of them turned up.
Would you keep Linda? Kellie and Danny are good at acting. In Emmerdale the dingles have lots of screentime and there is always at least one dingle in a episode for the week and they have the most storylines but do people complain about them? The Carters and Dingles are no different in terms of screentime. As long as the acting is good and the episodes are good like they were this past week then Im happy. The Mitchells got the most screentime from 2007-2010.
Edited by Mormon Girl, 25 Jan 2015, 17:49.
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Shane Richie, Jessie Wallace and the Moon additions were the main focus throughout 2003-2004. Shane appeared in 170 odd episodes in 2003 and 160 odd in 2004. That's a greater amount than the new Carter clan have.

They've already been significantly reduced in numbers: Johnny has left, Tosh has gone, Babe is living off the Square so her appearances are sporadic, Stan is leaving, so it's Mick, Linda, Nancy and Lee, Shirley and Dean, and Tina from April onwards. It'll start to break up but the current story has to run its course.
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Just because it's happened before doesn't mean it was right, and it shouldn't be the case now either. There needs to be more equal screentime. I understand that the Carters should feature a lot since they are in charge of the Vic, but even so it's getting ridiculous. I also understand that the stories need to be followed through, but so does every other story going on. Patrick's stroke, for example, shouldn't be a sub-plot. The Carter storylines could have been given appropriate attention in far less quantity than they have done. Maybe if there hadn't been so many storylines piled onto them all at once they wouldn't take so much screentime.
Edited by Leon, 25 Jan 2015, 18:05.
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25 Jan 2015, 17:57
Shane Richie, Jessie Wallace and the Moon additions were the main focus throughout 2003-2004. Shane appeared in 170 odd episodes in 2003 and 160 odd in 2004. That's a greater amount than the new Carter clan have.

They've already been significantly reduced in numbers: Johnny has left, Tosh has gone, Babe is living off the Square so her appearances are sporadic, Stan is leaving, so it's Mick, Linda, Nancy and Lee, Shirley and Dean, and Tina from April onwards. It'll start to break up but the current story has to run its course.
I recall back on John's board when I mentioned appearance count and use of the character and I was told that the person was I talking about was on it a lot but also was in the background lots too.
I have been rewatching that era if late (just finishing the Mitchells return) you mentioned and there is plenty of episodes where neither Kat or Alfie even have a line just in the background pulling a pint. I also remember lots of non Kat and Alfie storylines huge at the time. Its not like other families were prominent in that era I would say the Watts were actually overused in that era too. How much of that time was Shannis heavy? How much Den MKII was used? This is the issue for me its all Carter heavy and I hate the show like that.
I didn't like it with the Brannings either. But none were built up this soon nothing can change that fact.

See I don't care if say Mick is in every episode as long as a few of them he is in the background pulling a pint. Like Alfie did in a fair amount of episodes. See its not just the appearance count its the ontime air too. Find me an episode where Mick didn't even speak? Totally background? Alfie had those episodes and sure he was overused like I said I didn't like it either but even him not to the same extent in his first year. He actually got to be background too.
Maybe some like the show heavily on one family, jumping from plot to plot while other major players have their storylines ignored like Kat and Denise. I however prefer an ensemble piece.
Edited by Jade, 25 Jan 2015, 18:07.
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