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| How to repair a problem like Kat Slater/Moon? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: 4 Feb 2015, 09:19 (2,240 Views) | |
| Slater11 | 4 Feb 2015, 09:19 Post #1 |
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What a mess the character is currently stuck in. It's like they don't know what to do with her, plus you have the endless Alfie on-off yoyo stuff, which is tiresome now. Stacey is solely flying the flag for the Slater's now, she's been ace and I hope they can turn things round for Kat because Jessie Wallace is brilliant. |
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| Gaz | 4 Feb 2015, 09:35 Post #2 |
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As you've suggested - stop putting her in the same old split with Alfie - dirty girl - reunite with Alfie cycle. There's no way they are going to go back into the Vic for the time being, so what could Kat or Kat & Alfie do? Kat has been on the square (on and off) since 2000 - she's seen a lot happen - how about turning her into a "mother figure". I can't remember if Kat was around during the Whitney / Tony storyline, but that would have been a good example. |
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Happy Christmas Ange. | |
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| Kim | 4 Feb 2015, 12:16 Post #3 |
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The new storyline sounds promising, just so long as EastEnders invest in it. I think she needs some scenes with Linda, similar to the ones she had with Whitney. There's only so far that Stacey can relate to her. Kat knows what it's like to have to be around the attacker after it happened, while Stacey just went vigilante. She also knows what it's like for it to have been a family member and to be left pregnant. Kat needs to be shown as a maternal figure more, I agree. She seems to be ditching the kids on Stacey too often lately, most recently as a plot device for Shabnam's secret to come out. Alfie needs a job and to actually see the kids. I liked him in the cafe, and if they aren't going to show Liam in there part-time, why not? Kat agreed to let him see the kids, so why didn't we see him have them over at Ian's? Prime opportunity to bring Peter and Ian's grief back up, being forced to be around another set of twins. I think an illness storyline for him would be good if/when they are back together, to show that Kat isn't the person any more who has one night stands when things don't go her way (which further damaged her once the baby swap was out of the way.) Plus, it'd give Alfie something serious to do that doesn't show him in an awful light as the arson storyline did. I think characters really need a family to ensure that the stories keep on coming. Unfortunately with Kat and Alfie, they've been written into a bit of a corner in that regard. As repetitive as Bianca's storylines perhaps were over the last few years, at least she had the stories coming from her kids. I think it helped that the kids were all quite far apart in age. Kirkwood screwed up when he didn't bring Kat and Alfie back with kids. Ok, they wouldn't have had the same age range as Bianca's, but they could have had an almost 9 year old by now had they written it to go back to when they were last together in the show. It'd have been far better to have the kids (now) say 8, 6, 4 rather than the 4, 0, 0 and the 4 year old's paternity having damaged Kat from the get-go (and Alfie because he would not have been so much of a doormat so as to put up with that.) |
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| Mrs Peel | 4 Feb 2015, 13:24 Post #4 |
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How to repair Kat (and, by extension, Alfie)? Simples. Get them back together and then get them the hell off the Square, never ever to return; and I say that as someone who loved Kat and Alfie. Kat and Alfie should serve as a reminder to any EP who wants to fuck around with the characters of people who formerly were iconic. |
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| Mitch | 4 Feb 2015, 15:18 Post #5 |
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I don't really care for Alfie so I would get rid and move Kat on. There's nobody in the current cast I could see her with but if they planned a character specifically for her I don't see why it couldn't work. |
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| Mrs Peel | 4 Feb 2015, 15:38 Post #6 |
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Kat without Alfie becomes another fortysomething single mother with dodgy dress sense and three kids under five, scraping out a living on the market. Kat without Alfie makes her all the more emotionally dependent and otherwise on Stacey. Kat without Alfie is a trainwreck of one night stands and dirty girl moment. Alfie's unpopularity at the moment is down to lazy and ineffectual writing. It's time to move some of the man hate out of that writing room. Alfie may have effed-up this time around, but he is the only person who regularly rescues Kat from self-destruction. When Alfie and Kat were reunited the last time - only little over a year ago, all and sundry said they shouldn't be split, no matter what. What did DTC do? Split them up again. These yo-yo couples simply have to stop. Put them back together - you know it's going to happen - and send them away. |
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| Gaz | 4 Feb 2015, 15:44 Post #7 |
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I know what you mean, but the same thing could have been said of Sharon for the first few months after her return. Characters can be fixed, it's a question of whether the writers are up to the task. |
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Happy Christmas Ange. | |
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| Mrs Peel | 4 Feb 2015, 16:28 Post #8 |
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As long as the characters are female, they're willing to fix them. The men, not so much. |
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| Jade | 4 Feb 2015, 17:47 Post #9 |
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Newman for all her faults tried to repair Kat. I am not sure how much faith I can have that this EP wants to do the same thing when her agoraphobia resolved itself in a day when we know had she been Linda it would have been explored from every angle possible. I think both Kat and Alfie could work but this yoyo BS is getting really boring Because Kat still has a fanbase I don't think DTC will axe her but he really needs to start focusing on some of his non creations now if they plan to keep her on. I also want to know who is paying the rent for Stacey and Kat considering both are broke with one out of work and 4 kids to feed? |
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Your approval is neither desired nor required. Julia Smith "We decided to go for a realistic, fairly outspoken type of drama which could encompass stories about homosexuality, rape, unemployment, racial prejudice, etc., in a believable context. Above all, we wanted realism". | |
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| Mrs B | 4 Feb 2015, 19:49 Post #10 |
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Frankly I am bored to tears by both Kat and Alfie. Both actors just phone in their performances; she in particular seems tired of the role. |
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| Desdemona | 4 Feb 2015, 20:40 Post #11 |
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I can imagine Kat as an independent woman but DTC seems strangely invested in the idea of romance/couples, whatever it takes. This means that Kat and Alfie are doomed to make ours and their lives an absolute misery. |
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| Mitch | 4 Feb 2015, 20:49 Post #12 |
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Under the current storylining team she would be. I don't understand why there's not a little more imagination - the yo-yoing is tedious. I wasn't actually a fan of Alfie during his first stint either though I think that's more to with Shane Richie than his character. |
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| See You Slater | 4 Feb 2015, 20:49 Post #13 |
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I'm glad DTC is invested in couples. There was a time when the longest lasting couple was Jay and Abi. |
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| Desdemona | 4 Feb 2015, 21:18 Post #14 |
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Coupling has to be motivated. Throwing characters together in the name of nostalgia or romance-for-the-sake-of-romance simply doesn't work. That is why we are stuck with pseudo-couples 'in name only' such as Ben and Abi, Lauren and Peter, Jane and Ian, Whitney and Lee, and ad nauseam, Alfie and Kat. Edited by Desdemona, 4 Feb 2015, 21:25.
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| Mrs Peel | 4 Feb 2015, 22:02 Post #15 |
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On his day and when he's used properly, Shane Richie is one of the strongest actors in the show. It's just that, since Kirkwood, the writing room, flavoured with a distinctly anti-male scent, has chosen to write Alfie as the worst side of Shane Richie, rather than write Shane Richie the actor as Alfie Moon, who isn't Shane Richie. I do agree that both characters are spent. It was TOSC, who rightly opined that Jessie Wallace is doing this for the money, and I think Shane Richie is doing much the same thing. It's the school fees, they're thinking of. We all know what this year's "big" storyline is for Kat and Alfie, and it's only a matter of time before they're back together. Then, I hope they leave. Forever. |
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| WalfordE20 | 4 Feb 2015, 22:41 Post #16 |
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Hands down, no two ways about it, the pairing of Kat and Alfie has been ruined all over again. Dom's given us some great characterisation, but on these two I'm sad to say he's done a hatchet job. The build-up to the fire was tedium and suspending reality. The initial moment was great, but the aftermath was a disaster. Being a character defined by her looks, Kat would have been forever changed by her burns- or rather she should have been. Instead the aftermath became entirely about Alfie becoming a nasty cowardly bastard. After three months of underwhelming and block-style storylining the truth came out as we all knew it would. Yes, Kat's still scarred, but she is in no way a changed character. These two have been ripped apart yet again. They should have left when they reunited, or the fire should have been a genuine accident. Either way, I am once more past caring. Bring them back together quickly- and point them to the exit door. What a mess. |
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| Blokeoptimistic | 4 Feb 2015, 23:00 Post #17 |
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How can you repair a character or rather two characters, when due to horrendous characterisation and repetitive storytelling, they are considered nothing more than a joke in the eyes of the public? I am a fan of Kat and Alfie or rather a former one, but I think after almost five years off this same old tripe there is no hope for the couple to be salvaged. With Kat and Alfie it seems they are kept on for sentimental value, or rather, as a nod to the past. |
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| Leon | 5 Feb 2015, 01:12 Post #18 |
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As somebody who was quite young and didn't watch EE during Kat and Alfie's original stint, it is hard for me to imagine that they were so loved in their previous stint. It's sad that, to me, I will always see them as the failure they are now rather than the huge success they, obviously, previously were. |
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| Mrs Peel | 5 Feb 2015, 01:14 Post #19 |
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BIB: Once again, it's trash-the-man time. Alfie's been a cowardly bastard, Phil's arranged for Sharon to be beaten up and then cheats on her, Mick backburners his wife in favour of his feckless sister, Max stands over his daughter and shouts down at her in a way no one would think of speaking to someone they hated. Yet we have scenes where Sonia trash mouths Martin, and Jane speaks to Ian as if he were an idiot and no one bats an eyelid. Alfie would walk through fire for Kat, and he did, and what has this accomplished? She's back to the dirty girl routine, yet the moment another woman is attracted to Alfie, she'll be ripping the hair extensions from that woman's head. Kat and Alfie should have left last Christmas as the Carters came, with Kat pregnant and on their way to Australia to work in Spencer's bar. I think they're only kept on out of sentimentality and the fact that long-term characters - those around since before the 2006 re-boot anyway - are thin on the ground. Kat and Alfie - EastEnders' biggest mistake and a masterclass in how to totally ruin much-loved characters by an programme who should have kept them sacred. Edited by Mrs Peel, 5 Feb 2015, 01:15.
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| Winters | 5 Feb 2015, 01:19 Post #20 |
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Kat could never turn into a mother-figure. She's too selfish and doesn't have it in her. I imagine her more turning into someone like Cora - a grumpy old woman with a drinking problem. By that I meant matriarch. I agree she could be portrayed more as a mother to her kids. Edited by Winters, 5 Feb 2015, 01:22.
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