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Stacey spoiler
Topic Started: 27 Jun 2015, 00:00 (28,237 Views)
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Jade
27 Jun 2015, 01:58
Ender89
27 Jun 2015, 01:57

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No idea who this we is. Certainly doesn't speak for me.
Not sure why the Mitchell plots in various threads unrelated to them keep popping up? Power of the Mitchells I guess.
Back to Stacey nothing of real note has been done with her. After a shaky return (all that fanwank mini appearances) she settled in well. Well scary to think as a C lister she was super popular since her return. Now they give her something and its this crap? And I am fast giving a toss about the key. No casuals give a crap or even know.
What's with all the aggression? I simply compared Stacey's situation and said Phil's was just as unbelievable, nothing else. Well maybe I don't speak for you, but probably the majority when a very popular character is involved - most like to give them what's called a "free pass". Obviously you would rather have Phil back than not and I guess others feel the same about Stacey. Also, when you say "who", "you", "me" that is certainly ironic as when you talk about the Carters and DTC as if to say you speak for all of us on this forum. Which, you don't. You say "no casuals" give a crap but yet again you are contradicting yourself because as you said I don't speak for you, the same way you don't speak for the "casuals". I could make a bizzare and unfounded statement saying no "casuals" give a toss about Kathy or even Sharon but I won't because I simply don't know.
Edited by Mr Carter, 27 Jun 2015, 02:13.
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27 Jun 2015, 02:06
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What's with all the aggression? I simply compared Stacey's situation and said Phil's was just as unbelievable, nothing else. Well maybe maybe I don't speak for you, but probably majority when a very popular character is involved. Obviously you would rather have Phil back than not and I guess others feel the same about Stacey. Also, when you say "who", "you", "me" that is certainly ironic as when you talk about the Carters and DTC as if to say you speak for all of us on this forum. Which, you don't. You say "no casuals" give a crap but yet again you are contradicting yourself because as you said I don't speak for you, you don't speak for the "casuals". I could make a blizzard statement saying no "casuals" give a toss about Kathy or even Sharon but I won't because I simply don't know.
I wasn't being aggressive. But you quoted me and said we. So I was making clear you didn't speak for me. Which being that person I can do. I don't have an issue with you saying the majority.
As for casuals I would say its pretty obvious few would even remember about the key until recently. I never said I speak for the forum about the Carters or DTC. If your going to be personal please stop.
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27 Jun 2015, 02:15
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I wasn't being aggressive. But you quoted me and said we. So I was making clear you didn't speak for me. Which being that person I can do. I don't have an issue with you saying the majority.
As for casuals I would say its pretty obvious few would even remember about the key until recently. I never said I speak for the forum about the Carters or DTC. If your going to be personal please stop.
I wasn't being personal. Not as much as "fanwank mini appearances" at least, when you know there are more than a few Stacey fans around this forum. But I digress. Let's just agree to disagree shall we? Cheers.
Edited by Mr Carter, 27 Jun 2015, 02:28.
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Dominic said himself, he came in for Carol's cancer, Linda's rape and Lucy's murder. Those stories are pretty much done now and it seems he's ran out of ideas. He was always active on twitter last year trying to garner interest in upcoming episodes but after the anniversary he's barely tweeted at all. We need someone new and fast.

These days, having a child does nothing for a character. Has Lily been seen much recently? Amy? Denny? No. The only thing that will happen is "so and so is babysitting my child tonight" because children rarely appear.

We're not quite at crisis mode but the show has been bleeding viewers for years. Endless pregnancies isn't going to whet anyones appetite.

Dom, pull your finger out or walk out the door. Please.

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27 Jun 2015, 02:28
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I wasn't being personal. Not as much as "fanwank mini appearances" at least, when you know there are more than a few Stacey fans around this forum. But I digress. Let's just agree to disagree shall we? Cheers.
Who said I am not a Stacey fan? I am not a super fan but I do like the character or at least I did. Many Stacey fans myself included didn't like those mini appearances. Last time I said fanwank was if Ross Kemp came back for a blink and miss it appearance on the 30th which I didn't want. I am not usually bias or give free passes to characters I like. I am a huge Grant fan but a bink and miss it appearance would have been fanwank. So it wasn't personal or aggressive.
Edited by Jade, 27 Jun 2015, 02:31.
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As BigApe pointed out, the case against Phil was always weak. The CCTV was 'lost' and there wasn't any actual hard evidence that Phil did anything. It was the guard's word against his.

Stacey however was serving a sentence for confessed murder. Her using her bipolar to get out, however distasteful, would have been believable over a few months, but it was all wrapped up in one weekend.
Edited by Sey, 27 Jun 2015, 02:33.
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I don't believe that the CCTV was "lost" for a second but simply a plot device to get Phil back into the show again after his panto break, what was more unbelieveable was Grant somehow finding out and paying off this "mystery" "witness" which is another part which I find completely bizarre and untrue - But each to thier own I suppose.
Edited by Mr Carter, 27 Jun 2015, 02:38.
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What? And none of these babies are Jack's? Incredible.
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Regarding Stacey's appeal and release, I thought the general view was (as I thought at the time) that it was unrealistic and rushed but was the best way to put the whole Archie mess to bed and get Stacey back on the Square. And, until her recent unpopular story, it's something I felt most people were happy about.

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I want the concession for nappies on the set....
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27 Jun 2015, 00:44
Treadwell-Collins added: "We have also got Jay and Lola - there is a big story for them which leads to Lola's departure (pregnancy?), Nancy and Tamwar - their relationship is going to up a gear quite massively and there are more twists and turns in that (pregnancy?). Also, Lee and Whitney which is going to take quite a serious turn as well (pregnancy?)."

Roxy and Dean and Abi and Ben will be expecting by the end of the year too. Possibly Les and Claudette too.
I can see Whitney getting pregnant, but I don't think that Nancy will get pregnant. I think that Nancy and Tamwar's storyline is, more to do with them having sex and her secret.

I'm glad that Stacey's baby father is Martin. I would have been annnoyed if it was Kush.
Edited by Londongirl89, 27 Jun 2015, 06:47.
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Someone in the production team has serious baby issues.
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This programme is a mess.
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I've got my eye on you

This reminds me of a really crap episode of The A-Team (showing my age now) called The Crystal Skull. At the end of the episode the cast were heard to chant "who wrote this? Who wrote this?" Before the end credits rolled.

I can only recommend they do the same here. Stacey: "I'm pregnant" Kush: "Who wrote this?" Duff duff duff.
You can't just come bounding in here like John Wayne on a Spacehopper!

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27 Jun 2015, 00:59
I have been quite vocal on how I feel about the Stacey character and Lacey Turner for some time. I don't believe Lacey is a terrible actress or Stacey is a terrible character. I just think they're average. Yet the obsession that seems to surround them both is quite creepy to me and I noticed it more when I was discussing the key storyline with a friend and he said "I don't care if the key unlocks a picture of Stacey just so long as it gives us some great acting from Ms Turner". This is a guy with no sense of humour and is very difficult to impress.

And it made me realise that the obsession with Lacey Turner is quite weird to me. The endless praise she gets if we see Lacey so much as order a coffee from the cafe. The casting of Lacey Turner's sister/cousin a few years back (I still believe the character Kat and Alfie were looking after was created specifically for Lacey's relative). The way some people talk about Lacey Turner like she's actual army personnel simply because she does Our Girl. The fact Stacey gets rushed out of prison using an appeals procedure that takes years just to have her wander into other people's storylines for a year. Any other character did that they'd be slated for it (no pun intended).

And now this unimaginative storyline is (possibly) being announced as the big thing we've waited all week to find out about just because its Stacey. And I suspect Stacey will be the victim at the end of this affair storyline too. Give it a few months and we'll have Albert Square completely on fire, Stacey Slater standing watching the whole thing with an evil grin on her face as DTC sobs uncontrollably while saying "Its a good thing you've set the Square on fire. A real good thing. And tomorrow...tomorrow's gonna be a real good day." (Twilight Zone reference)

I'm not trying to imply Lacey is behind all this over zealous hype herself or knock people that do love the character or actress. And even I admit she's good. Just I've always been suspicious of over the top praise.

Although if there was any hope that I would ever like the Stacey character then that hope has gone after reading this announcement. And although I've given DTC a bit of a hard time on these forums as well I also believed he has done a lot of good for the show. My hope for him is dwindling right now as well.

Off to the corn field I go.
So basically you're saying that people shouldn't praise Stacey/Lacey because you don't like them? If both get criticsm even though they are my favourites I don't mind like how I accept you don't like them because not everyone is going to be liked, but I do notice that if Sharon is criticised on here hell hath no fury, where as other characters are fair game to be slated. No character is ever going to be universally liked, so now I just sit back and relax.
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And oh dear at this news. I woke up and checked the soap spoilers. Someone at EE is way obsessed with babies.
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27 Jun 2015, 02:37
I don't believe that the CCTV was "lost" for a second but simply a plot device to get Phil back into the show again after his panto break, what was more unbelieveable was Grant somehow finding out and paying off this "mystery" "witness" which is another part which I find completely bizarre and untrue - But each to thier own I suppose.
Eh, it was 'lost', that was part of the plan and was mentioned back in November 2003. The security guard, Ray, was on Den's payroll, he purposefully destroyed the CCTV, how else would Den have avoided being arrested himself? Phil and Den did the entire job together, the only difference being that Den escaped and blocked Phil's escape at the same time, so there is no way that any CCTV would have surfaced that could incriminate Phil without incriminating Den at the same time.

When Phil was arrested, it was said that the case against him was quite weak and this was the reason Marsden and Kate's old boss (bald bloke, I forget the name) asked Kate to try and coax a confession out of him.

Grant beating up/paying off Ray was a bit weird as there was little chance Phil would have been found guilty anyway, but with Ray refusing to testify the case collapsed.
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27 Jun 2015, 11:44
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27 Jun 2015, 00:59
I have been quite vocal on how I feel about the Stacey character and Lacey Turner for some time. I don't believe Lacey is a terrible actress or Stacey is a terrible character. I just think they're average. Yet the obsession that seems to surround them both is quite creepy to me and I noticed it more when I was discussing the key storyline with a friend and he said "I don't care if the key unlocks a picture of Stacey just so long as it gives us some great acting from Ms Turner". This is a guy with no sense of humour and is very difficult to impress.

And it made me realise that the obsession with Lacey Turner is quite weird to me. The endless praise she gets if we see Lacey so much as order a coffee from the cafe. The casting of Lacey Turner's sister/cousin a few years back (I still believe the character Kat and Alfie were looking after was created specifically for Lacey's relative). The way some people talk about Lacey Turner like she's actual army personnel simply because she does Our Girl. The fact Stacey gets rushed out of prison using an appeals procedure that takes years just to have her wander into other people's storylines for a year. Any other character did that they'd be slated for it (no pun intended).

And now this unimaginative storyline is (possibly) being announced as the big thing we've waited all week to find out about just because its Stacey. And I suspect Stacey will be the victim at the end of this affair storyline too. Give it a few months and we'll have Albert Square completely on fire, Stacey Slater standing watching the whole thing with an evil grin on her face as DTC sobs uncontrollably while saying "Its a good thing you've set the Square on fire. A real good thing. And tomorrow...tomorrow's gonna be a real good day." (Twilight Zone reference)

I'm not trying to imply Lacey is behind all this over zealous hype herself or knock people that do love the character or actress. And even I admit she's good. Just I've always been suspicious of over the top praise.

Although if there was any hope that I would ever like the Stacey character then that hope has gone after reading this announcement. And although I've given DTC a bit of a hard time on these forums as well I also believed he has done a lot of good for the show. My hope for him is dwindling right now as well.

Off to the corn field I go.
So basically you're saying that people shouldn't praise Stacey/Lacey because you don't like them? If both get criticsm even though they are my favourites I don't mind like how I accept you don't like them because not everyone is going to be liked, but I do notice that if Sharon is criticised on here hell hath no fury, where as other characters are fair game to be slated. No character is ever going to be universally liked, so now I just sit back and relax.
It appears you've completely missed the posters point.
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27 Jun 2015, 00:59
I have been quite vocal on how I feel about the Stacey character and Lacey Turner for some time. I don't believe Lacey is a terrible actress or Stacey is a terrible character. I just think they're average. Yet the obsession that seems to surround them both is quite creepy to me and I noticed it more when I was discussing the key storyline with a friend and he said "I don't care if the key unlocks a picture of Stacey just so long as it gives us some great acting from Ms Turner". This is a guy with no sense of humour and is very difficult to impress.

And it made me realise that the obsession with Lacey Turner is quite weird to me. The endless praise she gets if we see Lacey so much as order a coffee from the cafe. The casting of Lacey Turner's sister/cousin a few years back (I still believe the character Kat and Alfie were looking after was created specifically for Lacey's relative). The way some people talk about Lacey Turner like she's actual army personnel simply because she does Our Girl. The fact Stacey gets rushed out of prison using an appeals procedure that takes years just to have her wander into other people's storylines for a year. Any other character did that they'd be slated for it (no pun intended).

And now this unimaginative storyline is (possibly) being announced as the big thing we've waited all week to find out about just because its Stacey. And I suspect Stacey will be the victim at the end of this affair storyline too. Give it a few months and we'll have Albert Square completely on fire, Stacey Slater standing watching the whole thing with an evil grin on her face as DTC sobs uncontrollably while saying "Its a good thing you've set the Square on fire. A real good thing. And tomorrow...tomorrow's gonna be a real good day." (Twilight Zone reference)

I'm not trying to imply Lacey is behind all this over zealous hype herself or knock people that do love the character or actress. And even I admit she's good. Just I've always been suspicious of over the top praise.

Although if there was any hope that I would ever like the Stacey character then that hope has gone after reading this announcement. And although I've given DTC a bit of a hard time on these forums as well I also believed he has done a lot of good for the show. My hope for him is dwindling right now as well.

Off to the corn field I go.
I think this might be my favourite post ever on Walford Web.

I have no issue with Turner's acting, I think she's very good, but the way that people overrate both her and Stacey is absolutely infuriating.

And you make a great point about her getting out of prison so easily - other characters would be slaughtered. I remember a scene a few weeks ago where she threw coffee all over Blades' window. AND SHE GOT APPLAUDED FOR IT?!?! If any other character does that, people will rightly call them immature, insensitive etc. She is a killer. Fact. Look at how other criminals (Ronnie, Dean, Jane) get treated on here.

For people like myself who cannot stand Stacey all this is very frustrating.

All opinions of course.
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