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Stacey spoiler
Topic Started: 27 Jun 2015, 00:00 (28,236 Views)
Jade
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I am going off Stacey fast. I used to like her but when Kat returned she was vile and she isn't much better now. Seems treating people like shit and cheating is ok but look at how people treated Kat? I was one of them I hated the emotional and at times physical abuse she treated Alfie with and how she cheated so much. She is not even a killer. Stacey did not take responsibility or pay for her actions she used an excuse which she freely admits too. Someone who did actually pay for their crime and take responsibility in the end was Ben but he is not as popular.
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27 Jun 2015, 04:26
Regarding Stacey's appeal and release, I thought the general view was (as I thought at the time) that it was unrealistic and rushed but was the best way to put the whole Archie mess to bed and get Stacey back on the Square. And, until her recent unpopular story, it's something I felt most people were happy about.

Another point in my thoughts on the Stacey character. Like it or not the Archie murder was a big storyline 5 years ago. Yet it was treated as a minor inconvenience to a character that has done hardly anything in a year and when she finally does it's the same story everyone else is getting.
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27 Jun 2015, 13:42
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27 Jun 2015, 00:59
I have been quite vocal on how I feel about the Stacey character and Lacey Turner for some time. I don't believe Lacey is a terrible actress or Stacey is a terrible character. I just think they're average. Yet the obsession that seems to surround them both is quite creepy to me and I noticed it more when I was discussing the key storyline with a friend and he said "I don't care if the key unlocks a picture of Stacey just so long as it gives us some great acting from Ms Turner". This is a guy with no sense of humour and is very difficult to impress.

And it made me realise that the obsession with Lacey Turner is quite weird to me. The endless praise she gets if we see Lacey so much as order a coffee from the cafe. The casting of Lacey Turner's sister/cousin a few years back (I still believe the character Kat and Alfie were looking after was created specifically for Lacey's relative). The way some people talk about Lacey Turner like she's actual army personnel simply because she does Our Girl. The fact Stacey gets rushed out of prison using an appeals procedure that takes years just to have her wander into other people's storylines for a year. Any other character did that they'd be slated for it (no pun intended).

And now this unimaginative storyline is (possibly) being announced as the big thing we've waited all week to find out about just because its Stacey. And I suspect Stacey will be the victim at the end of this affair storyline too. Give it a few months and we'll have Albert Square completely on fire, Stacey Slater standing watching the whole thing with an evil grin on her face as DTC sobs uncontrollably while saying "Its a good thing you've set the Square on fire. A real good thing. And tomorrow...tomorrow's gonna be a real good day." (Twilight Zone reference)

I'm not trying to imply Lacey is behind all this over zealous hype herself or knock people that do love the character or actress. And even I admit she's good. Just I've always been suspicious of over the top praise.

Although if there was any hope that I would ever like the Stacey character then that hope has gone after reading this announcement. And although I've given DTC a bit of a hard time on these forums as well I also believed he has done a lot of good for the show. My hope for him is dwindling right now as well.

Off to the corn field I go.
I think this might be my favourite post ever on Walford Web.

I have no issue with Turner's acting, I think she's very good, but the way that people overrate both her and Stacey is absolutely infuriating.

And you make a great point about her getting out of prison so easily - other characters would be slaughtered. I remember a scene a few weeks ago where she threw coffee all over Blades' window. AND SHE GOT APPLAUDED FOR IT?!?! If any other character does that, people will rightly call them immature, insensitive etc. She is a killer. Fact. Look at how other criminals (Ronnie, Dean, Jane) get treated on here.

For people like myself who cannot stand Stacey all this is very frustrating.

All opinions of course.
I certainly believe that if Stacey is popular then she has a place in the show regardless of whether I like her or not. But too much exposure or throwing her into lazy storylines and expecting people to love it because it's Stacey is enough to actually put off even the most hardened and dedicated Stacey fan. This topic is littered with people saying they are going off the character and with good reason.

I'm sure people who are so dedicated to Lacey Turner that they'd gladly see the map of London in the credits replaced with a big picture of Lacey turners face could be thinking this story is a step too far. Hopefully a lesson can be learned at Elstree.
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27 Jun 2015, 13:51
I am going off Stacey fast. I used to like her but when Kat returned she was vile and she isn't much better now. Seems treating people like shit and cheating is ok but look at how people treated Kat? I was one of them I hated the emotional and at times physical abuse she treated Alfie with and how she cheated so much. She is not even a killer. Stacey did not take responsibility or pay for her actions she used an excuse which she freely admits too. Someone who did actually pay for their crime and take responsibility in the end was Ben but he is not as popular.
Stacey seems to get a free pass just because she's pretty girl with a cheerful personality. Ben on the other hand is an ugly guy who's always moody. It's quite disturbing how much we base our opinion of others based on looks and personality rather than actions.
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I really like Lacey Turner - one of the most talented actresses but at the moment, I cannot stand Stacey. It's a shame because she used to be popular. She is really unpopular on social media. I hope they will redeem Stacey soon.
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First time around - Stax and everything included - I hated Stacey. In fact, there was a time when she became a walking Carter Family in and of herself, the way she was shoe-horned into every storyline. Who can forget her crashing Trina's funeral?

But this time around, until this storyline, I thought they'd developed her character very well. Where the mistake was made, it was made between SANTER and KIRKWOOD. Santer, for insisting that she, and not Peggy, be Archie's killer, and Kirkwood, for allowing her character to leave the Square without atoning for killing a person.

People were as uncomfortable with that as they are with Ronnie, Dean and even Jane and Bobby, for all of these are swanning about the Square, having committed appalling crimes and showing no remorse at all.

Stacey, eventually, did show remorse for having killed Archie, confessed and actually had to be talked into using her bi-polar condition as a means of appeal. Yes, that could have taken months, but Kirkwood should have allowed her to go to prison with a five year sentence and she would have been being released last year.

For anyone saying Stacey hasn't shown remorse and taken responsibility for her crime, they are wrong.

I'm just glad Kush isn't the new Jack.
Edited by Mrs Peel, 27 Jun 2015, 14:39.
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This has to be the nail in Stacey's coffin. Really. And yet another pregnancy.... come on. Rabbits multiply less frequent than Albert Square Residents these days.
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I do admit Stacey is making me dislike her at the moment but then again that's the nature of the show is it not? Not all characters are likeable all the time and we as viewers will always question thier actions, which is how it should be. Nobody is saying it's okay to treat Shabnam the way she is and I don't think we are expected to either. A lot of characters make a lot of mistakes in the show throughout thier lives and never learn from them, be it, Pat (affairs), Max (affairs), Tanya (affairs), Sharon (she cheated with her brother-in-law), Philth (old thug), Kat (affairs) etc so I'm not expecting Stacey Slater of all people to remain as a nun for the rest of her life. This little infatuation she has with Kush will most likely bite her back on the arse, it's just a matter of time before it happens.

Lacey Turner on the other hand is a great young actress and is probably one of EE's finest in terms of raw acting ability. I, personally, would put her just a few bars below Lindsey Coulson especially with her performance from the Bipolar storyline which she has won numerous awards for. Hence, why I'm a little disappointed that they are wasting her talents on such a tedious and unimaginative affair. I am, however, looking forward to some of the other stuff we had actual build-up to like her Dad's key and Jean's wedding to Ollie. Keep her away from Kush and concentrate her on her family values and she is much better.
Edited by Mr Carter, 27 Jun 2015, 15:01.
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27 Jun 2015, 14:49
I do admit Stacey is making me dislike her at the moment but then again that's the nature of the show is it not? Not all characters are likeable all the time and we as viewers will always question thier actions, which is how it should be. Nobody is saying it's okay to treat Shabnam the way she is and I don't think we are expected to either. A lot of characters make a lot of mistakes in the show throughout thier lives and never learn from them, be it, Pat (affairs), Max (affairs), Tanya (affairs), Sharon (she cheated with her brother-in-law), Philth (old thug), Kat (affairs) etc so I'm not expecting Stacey Slater of all people to remain as a nun for the rest of her life. This little infatuation she has with Kush will most likely bite her back on the arse, it's just a matter of time before it happens.

Lacey Turner on the other hand is a great young actress and is probably one of EE's finest in terms of raw acting ability. I, personally, would put her just a few bars below Lindsey Coulson especially with her performance from the Bipolar storyline which she has won numerous awards for. Hence, why I'm a little disappointed that they are wasting her talents on such a tedious and unimaginative affair. I am, however, looking forward to some of the other stuff we had actual build-up to like her Dad's key and Jean's wedding to Ollie. Keep her away from Kush and concentrate her on her family values and she is much better.
Exactyly I agree with everything you said. Some people dislike Ian alot and can't stand him and some people dislike Janine alot and can't stand her and the same with Zainab. Janine cheated on Barry with Paul and Ricky had an affair with Natalie. Remember last year in August with Ian and the prostitute storyline lots of people disliked him last year. Even Bianca had an affair with Dan.
Edited by Mormon Girl, 27 Jun 2015, 15:43.
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27 Jun 2015, 14:09
Jade
27 Jun 2015, 13:51
I am going off Stacey fast. I used to like her but when Kat returned she was vile and she isn't much better now. Seems treating people like shit and cheating is ok but look at how people treated Kat? I was one of them I hated the emotional and at times physical abuse she treated Alfie with and how she cheated so much. She is not even a killer. Stacey did not take responsibility or pay for her actions she used an excuse which she freely admits too. Someone who did actually pay for their crime and take responsibility in the end was Ben but he is not as popular.
Stacey seems to get a free pass just because she's pretty girl with a cheerful personality. Ben on the other hand is an ugly guy who's always moody. It's quite disturbing how much we base our opinion of others based on looks and personality rather than actions.
The only person I ever see commenting on people's looks on here is you. I have certainly never seen anyone else dislike Ben because he's an 'ugly guy'.
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27 Jun 2015, 14:34
First time around - Stax and everything included - I hated Stacey. In fact, there was a time when she became a walking Carter Family in and of herself, the way she was shoe-horned into every storyline. Who can forget her crashing Trina's funeral?

But this time around, until this storyline, I thought they'd developed her character very well. Where the mistake was made, it was made between SANTER and KIRKWOOD. Santer, for insisting that she, and not Peggy, be Archie's killer, and Kirkwood, for allowing her character to leave the Square without atoning for killing a person.

People were as uncomfortable with that as they are with Ronnie, Dean and even Jane and Bobby, for all of these are swanning about the Square, having committed appalling crimes and showing no remorse at all.

Stacey, eventually, did show remorse for having killed Archie, confessed and actually had to be talked into using her bi-polar condition as a means of appeal. Yes, that could have taken months, but Kirkwood should have allowed her to go to prison with a five year sentence and she would have been being released last year.

For anyone saying Stacey hasn't shown remorse and taken responsibility for her crime, they are wrong.

I'm just glad Kush isn't the new Jack.
BIB: I think that's single handedly the worst case of shoehorning a character into a storyline the show has ever done. Although the Brannings during Pat's death is good competition for it.

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27 Jun 2015, 14:09
Jade
27 Jun 2015, 13:51
I am going off Stacey fast. I used to like her but when Kat returned she was vile and she isn't much better now. Seems treating people like shit and cheating is ok but look at how people treated Kat? I was one of them I hated the emotional and at times physical abuse she treated Alfie with and how she cheated so much. She is not even a killer. Stacey did not take responsibility or pay for her actions she used an excuse which she freely admits too. Someone who did actually pay for their crime and take responsibility in the end was Ben but he is not as popular.
Stacey seems to get a free pass just because she's pretty girl with a cheerful personality. Ben on the other hand is an ugly guy who's always moody. It's quite disturbing how much we base our opinion of others based on looks and personality rather than actions.
Firstly, no one has ever said Ben is an "ugly guy". You just calling him one is the first I've ever heard it. So I don't know who the "we" is you speak of.

Secondly, Ben hasn't got any more or less of a "Free Pass" than Stacey, neither on the show or on here. I actually haven't seen anyone mention Archie or Heather on here for quite a while. You've plucked that out of the air.

And finally, in what world is Stacey Branning cheerful? Certainly not this one.

I'd appreciate if you didn't imply we are all so shallow that we unfairly judge people based on their looks. That's what I find "disturbing".
Edited by The Other Slater Cousin, 27 Jun 2015, 15:55.
"I loved it in the Olden Days because you talked more. There’s more action now. You know, we would do scenes in the Rovers of me, Bet and Doris Speed with a cup of coffee each before we opened the pub, talking about absolute rubbish. But it was something, and it was what people do." - Betty Driver
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The most ludicrous thing about all these excessive pregnancies is how ridiculously easy it is to get pregnant in Albert Square. You would think that Stacey, a bipolar sufferer and a single woman/mother, would take extra precaution than the average person to avoid getting pregnant due to the high risks that are involved during pregnancy with the disorder.

While many accidents do happen, they seem to be occurring an awful lot in one small community and of course this is the time Stacey had an unplanned pregnancy.
Edited by Blokeoptimistic, 27 Jun 2015, 16:06.
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Nobody is forced into anything. There was no gun to her head, she is an adult and made a choice. At the end of the day Stacey used an excuse to get out of prison. That is not taking full responsibility for their actions. Using mental health condition which did not affect you at the time is actually a pretty disgusting thing to do when a great many people truly afflicted do not get the same treatment are in jail when they should be in a secure hospital. People like her reinforce that mentally ill people "get away with it" there is a huge stigma around mentally ill and crime. Most sadly are not getting the help they need and are filling up our prisons.
So I wont be told I am wrong (Sorry but who the hell has the right to tell someone that, especially someone whom I don't know online). I just see it different.
Edited by Jade, 27 Jun 2015, 16:04.
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Local Butcher, is it not you who suggests the show promotes sexual desire and attaction as being only associated with those with muscles and how they aren't inclusive of 'every day image' yet now you're saying Ben's unattractive.

Not only does it contradict your original statement of the show only recruiting attractive actors, it shows you see exterior appearance as something of importance.

Interesting.
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Neither Ben or Stacey had any right to kill Heather, Archie or anyone else (for example, Linda does not have the right to kill Dean) but I think Stacey has more sympathy because Heather was a nice person and Archie was not, he was a cruel psychopath who committed a horrific crime against Stacey. Stacey has also shown genuine remorse (Ben has to an extent but only on how it effects him) and is highly unlikely to ever kill again whereas Ben might.

Ironically, Stacey killing Archie was a conscious decision whereas Ben killing Heather was him fatally lashing out. By law, Stacey's crime was worse.

As for the spoiler, I'm not entirely sure that it's not going to be a who's-the-daddy which will make it pretty awful. I thought James Bye's answer was quite vague on the subject, he may not be allowed to say anything further than he has.

Of course, we will know if Kush is the father because the baby will be mixed race but literally the only thing holding this story up is the four main actors who are all very good. We've already seen Stacey liking the safety of the good guy but the fun of the bad guy. This is a less interesting version of Bradley/Stacey/Max.

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27 Jun 2015, 16:05
Local Butcher, is it not you who suggests the show promotes sexual desire and attaction as being only associated with those with muscles and how they aren't inclusive of 'every day image' yet now you're saying Ben's unattractive.

Not only does it contradict your original statement of the show only recruiting attractive actors, it shows you see exterior appearance as something of importance.

Interesting.
My personal opinions on beauty standards doesn't change the fact that they exist and impact the way we see people. We've all grown up with the rather unfortunate Disney message that good people are good looking and bad people are ugly. Ben is not conventionally good looking nor does he have a particularly pleasant personality. Stacey is an attractive woman with a reasonably pleasant manner about her. Both are murderers but we're more likely to forgive Stacey based on those superficial positive qualities than we are Ben who's superficial qualities aren't seen as quite as positive.

For the record I really like the fact that Ben actually looks like a normal person.
Edited by The Local Butcher, 27 Jun 2015, 16:26.
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The only difference between Stacey and Ben is the fact Ben got caught and Stacey owned up to her crime. If the shoe was on the other foot and Ben had managed to get away with it, do you really think he would have had the guts to report himself to the police and declare out loud in a pub he killed someone? I don't think so. He is a coward like his father, Phil. Like Phil wouldn't admit and report himself accidentally killing the homeless boy when he torched Frank's car lot (nobody put a gun to his head), Ben wouldn't have admitted to killing Heather.
Edited by Mr Carter, 27 Jun 2015, 16:35.
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27 Jun 2015, 16:24
NevermindMe
27 Jun 2015, 16:05
Local Butcher, is it not you who suggests the show promotes sexual desire and attaction as being only associated with those with muscles and how they aren't inclusive of 'every day image' yet now you're saying Ben's unattractive.

Not only does it contradict your original statement of the show only recruiting attractive actors, it shows you see exterior appearance as something of importance.

Interesting.
My personal opinions on beauty standards doesn't change the fact that they exist and impact the way we see people. We've all grown up with the rather unfortunate Disney message that good people are good looking and bad people are ugly. Ben is not conventionally good looking nor does he have a particularly pleasant personality. Stacey is an attractive woman with a reasonably pleasant manner about her. Both are murderers but we're more likely to forgive Stacey based on those superficial positive qualities than we are Ben who's superficial qualities aren't seen as quite as positive.

For the record I really like the fact that Ben actually looks like a normal person.
Again, who are "We"? The only difference I see in Ben and Stacey is that Ben accidentally killed Heather and Stacey purposefully attacked Archie, but from what we have seen Stacey has shown genuine remorse for her actions. Your reasoning of beauty ideals leading to unfair judgments has absolutely nothing to back it up. What have you seen that suggests people are more likely to forgive Stacey simply because she is an attractive woman? If you think that is how you are programmed to react then that's fine, but don't speak for all of us as if we don't have the capability for critical thinking and to separate the person from the action.
Edited by The Other Slater Cousin, 27 Jun 2015, 16:36.
"I loved it in the Olden Days because you talked more. There’s more action now. You know, we would do scenes in the Rovers of me, Bet and Doris Speed with a cup of coffee each before we opened the pub, talking about absolute rubbish. But it was something, and it was what people do." - Betty Driver
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27 Jun 2015, 04:13
What? And none of these babies are Jack's? Incredible.
If that man can get a woman pregnant while in a coma, I am sure he can do it from miles away. Move to Walford and get a Jack baby free! Matthew, Ollie, Jade, Lily, Stacey and Shabnams babies are all fathered by Jack. Its in the drinking water eww.
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