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Stacey spoiler
Topic Started: 27 Jun 2015, 00:00 (28,232 Views)
Mr Carter
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Yep but this is EastEnders after all. Nobody needs an excuse to have a affair lol. I'm just glad they haven't slept together...yet.
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Ender89
1 Jul 2015, 13:56
Yep but this is EastEnders after all. Nobody needs an excuse to have a affair lol. I'm just glad they haven't slept together...yet.
Don't hold your breath mate :(
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Jade
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I totally agree Lara. I don't need to be told how it affects people, I am a trained psychologist have been for a few years now. When she was sectioned it was done incredibly well and was very realistic. She in a way behaved much worse but it was spot on. This is not like that at all. Promiscuity can be something in the manic phase and Stacey certainly was last time. But a fixation on one man is not really the same, they certainly get into unhealthy relationship but that's usually abusive ones on some level. Are we saying Shirley has bi-polar as she was fixated on Phil? I don't think so, I do believe Shirley has mental health issues but not for one minute do I think its bi-polar.

Now losing her support group and isolation can worsen the condition that is defiantly true. But it doesn't explain her and Kush at all. I really hope EE doesn't imply it either. Make it so its not her fault so she can live happily ever after with Martin after the fall out as its not her fault or anything. I would like to see more signs of actually the manic phase maybe having paranoid thoughts and ideas (remember the poster that used to haunt her?), excessive eating, spending etc. Which will be followed of course by a complete low where she will not want to do anything and lose motivation in her appearance, hygiene, confidence etc.
As much as I thought Kush and Stacey have more chemistry then Shabnam/Martin etc. They are both out of line and really are getting worse. Part of recovery is always accepting responsibility. Something both of them need to do. I don't think Stacey is anymore blameless than Kush.
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Mr Carter
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No, but Kush is the one playing away which by default makes him worser. Stacey gave him an ultimatum yesterday that it's not fair on either her and Shabnam and he needs to make up his mind. This is clearly not Stax as she wanted to deliberately hurt Bradley, in this instance, Stacey actually feels guilty for once. Doesn't make it right that she still went behind her friends back and kissed him but I'm sure that will come back to bite her sooner or later as with all things in EastEnders does. Ronnie, Dean and the Beale's are due some major Karma and it will come to them very soon the same way this will come back to Stacey and Kush. The one thing which has not come back to bite someone and haven't own up to yet is Phil accidentally killing that homeless boy at the car lot, which he still needs to pay for.

Speaking of sex and promiscuity Stacey is actually fixated on more than one man, she "wants" Kush, when in fact she just wants to shag him and is having casual sex with Martin on tap like it was nothing as we saw in yesterday's episode. The Bipolar is not as erratic or clear cut as her last episode but the subtle hints are clearly there for the audience to pick up on like her taking her meds more frequently, telling Martin she isn't well, the feeling of worthlessness when she compared Shabnam's "perfect" life to hers and general mood swings. Don't get me wrong I'm certainly not excusing her behaviour wholly on her illness but it does explain at least some of the things she has been acting out.
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30 Jun 2015, 13:49
There is hope! Honestly, I can't tell you how pleased I am that Stacey's behaviour hasn't just been character regression and she's actually struggling with her health. Has this storyline just been saved?
THIS!!
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Ender89
1 Jul 2015, 13:13
I don't think the show is trying to excuse her actions by using Bipolar as an excuse or make us feel empathy for her about what she is doing to Shabnam at all. We all know Shabnam is clearly the victim here and EE highlights that very much so. I think it's two things making her act out of order - her loneliness and isolation in life as well as her Bipolar getting out of control. Stacey still has a conscience as we saw her apologising to Shabnam at the start of yesterday's episode but she's still conflicted regarding Kush, which is why she told him that it's not fair on her and certainly not fair on Shabnam. The Bipolar story is complicated because not everyone acts the same way we know because every person reacts to things in different ways with the disorder. Next week it seems the illness resurfaces again but Kush is nowhere in sight and opens up to Martin about it so I don't think the show really wants to associate her illness with running after a soon-to-be married man. That side of it is mostly Stacey Slater.
I think the implication is that Kush couldn't and wouldn't tolerate an involvement with a person who has bi-polar disorder. Kush likes a simple life. He'd only returned from honeymoon with his first wife when she died. He probably never imagined having to deal with children and everything they entail as well as any of the normal problems arising in a marriage. He was clearly floored by Shabnam's pregnancy, especially when his mother put it in such stark terms. Taking Stacey on would not only mean dealing with her bi-polar, but also with her child.

Martin, on the other hand, might come into his own with this a lot better than Kush.
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1 Jul 2015, 13:13
I don't think the show is trying to excuse her actions by using Bipolar as an excuse or make us feel empathy for her about what she is doing to Shabnam at all. We all know Shabnam is clearly the victim here and EE highlights that very much so. I think it's two things making her act out of order - her loneliness and isolation in life as well as her Bipolar getting out of control. Stacey still has a conscience as we saw her apologising to Shabnam at the start of yesterday's episode but she's still conflicted regarding Kush, which is why she told him that it's not fair on her and certainly not fair on Shabnam. The Bipolar story is complicated because not everyone acts the same way we know because every person reacts to things in different ways with the disorder. Next week it seems the illness resurfaces again but Kush is nowhere in sight and opens up to Martin about it so I don't think the show really wants to associate her illness with running after a soon-to-be married man. That side of it is mostly Stacey Slater.
I'm not an expert on mental illnesses, but from my experience of having a sibling with depression, an illness as complex as bi-polar disorder would effect some victims in ways that may be considered different than the norm. I don't know for certain if TPTB are going to go down this route with Stacey but she is certainly showing signs of promiscuity, irritation and reckless behaviour and that type of behaviour are some of the signs of the disorder in many cases.
Edited by Blokeoptimistic, 1 Jul 2015, 20:52.
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1 Jul 2015, 17:22
Ender89
1 Jul 2015, 13:13
I don't think the show is trying to excuse her actions by using Bipolar as an excuse or make us feel empathy for her about what she is doing to Shabnam at all. We all know Shabnam is clearly the victim here and EE highlights that very much so. I think it's two things making her act out of order - her loneliness and isolation in life as well as her Bipolar getting out of control. Stacey still has a conscience as we saw her apologising to Shabnam at the start of yesterday's episode but she's still conflicted regarding Kush, which is why she told him that it's not fair on her and certainly not fair on Shabnam. The Bipolar story is complicated because not everyone acts the same way we know because every person reacts to things in different ways with the disorder. Next week it seems the illness resurfaces again but Kush is nowhere in sight and opens up to Martin about it so I don't think the show really wants to associate her illness with running after a soon-to-be married man. That side of it is mostly Stacey Slater.
I think the implication is that Kush couldn't and wouldn't tolerate an involvement with a person who has bi-polar disorder. Kush likes a simple life. He'd only returned from honeymoon with his first wife when she died. He probably never imagined having to deal with children and everything they entail as well as any of the normal problems arising in a marriage. He was clearly floored by Shabnam's pregnancy, especially when his mother put it in such stark terms. Taking Stacey on would not only mean dealing with her bi-polar, but also with her child.

Martin, on the other hand, might come into his own with this a lot better than Kush.
But will Kush realize about Stacey's complications before it's too late and he's already tangled up with her? She has a kid, but now so will Shabnam. As far as Kush knows right now, Stacey's far more unencumbered (and therefore an easy, no-strings sex partner) than Shabs.

I fear by the time he finds out she's having both booty calls and a baby with Martin, not to mention her bipolar disorder, they'll already have been sleeping together.
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I just hope it's the key that's the big story and the love square that's secondary and not the other way round.
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Lara
1 Jul 2015, 20:45
Mrs Peel
1 Jul 2015, 17:22

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But will Kush realize about Stacey's complications before it's too late and he's already tangled up with her? She has a kid, but now so will Shabnam. As far as Kush knows right now, Stacey's far more unencumbered (and therefore an easy, no-strings sex partner) than Shabs.

I fear by the time he finds out she's having both booty calls and a baby with Martin, not to mention her bipolar disorder, they'll already have been sleeping together.
He has said, repeatedly, that he loves Shabnam, and I believe that. But he's shallow and likes things simple. His wife died before he had any life experience of what a marriage entails, so he's now stuck in a pattern of sleeping around and using the dead wife as an excuse to avoid commitment.

His mother's remark about being afraid he was ready to accept responsibility for his actions was very telling.

FWIW, I don't think there'll be any question that Martin will be the father of Stacey' child; rather, I think it will Kush doing the pursuing. I think he bottled it yesterday and was ready to turn to Stacey until she told him to man up to his priorities.
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http://youtu.be/RHnBuInrgbk
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Shaz1022
3 Jul 2015, 20:32
That trailer is great. Looking forward to Stacey-centric week.
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WalfordCommon
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I have to be honest and admit I don't think Stacey has been very interesting recently but next week is looking so good.
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The Local Butcher
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I'm dreading it to be honest. This key thing is starting to reek of every secret long lost child plot ever.
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WalfordCommon
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I am slightly scared it'll turn out Brian isn't really her Dad. I think that's just paranoia brought on by Repetitive Story Syndrome though
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WalfordCommon
3 Jul 2015, 21:12
I am slightly scared it'll turn out Brian isn't really her Dad. I think that's just paranoia brought on by Repetitive Story Syndrome though
Well or that. It's just got shock twist for the sake of shock twist written all over it.
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Mr Carter
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I cannot wait. I really want to see what this key unlocks.
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MrJames
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This is really what we've been waiting for.
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Ryan
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Swear they use that flat everytime they need a flat outside of the Square.
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I saw the trailer and I'm sure the wonderful Ms Turner MBE OBE SIA CBT HSBC DWP and whatever other title she has will be brilliant as usual!

Sorry I know someone will say that so I thought I'd beat you all to it. :P

But seriously she's not my favourite character and I find Lacey to be good but not overly brilliant. Her comments to Ian did remind me of Stacey in 2004-2005 which didn't redeem her to me. The character sucks to me whatever year we're in. However I'm not closed minded and I still hold out hope the key storyline is what makes me like the character. In fact I really WANT to be able to see an episode featuring Lacey Turner and finally go "Now I see what people like about her!".
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