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How to solve a problem like Jay; Jamie deserves screen time
Topic Started: 5 Jul 2015, 19:48 (8,991 Views)
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5 Jul 2015, 21:31
A scene with Jamie Borthwick and Lacey Turner would make my day any day of the week. Have Jay and Stacey ever interacted?
I disagree! I think he will become second fiddle. If Jay was in the Vic having the biggest most award winning scene of his life and Stacey walked in and said to Mick "Can I have a pint please?" everyone will go mad with how wonderful and talented Ms Turner was in that scene and Jamie would just be sidelined.
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BigApe
6 Jul 2015, 00:11
Mitchells 42
5 Jul 2015, 21:31
A scene with Jamie Borthwick and Lacey Turner would make my day any day of the week. Have Jay and Stacey ever interacted?
I disagree! I think he will become second fiddle. If Jay was in the Vic having the biggest most award winning scene of his life and Stacey walked in and said to Mick "Can I have a pint please?" everyone will go mad with how wonderful and talented Ms Turner was in that scene and Jamie would just be sidelined.
This is the second time in a couple of days you've exaggerated people's reactions to Lacey Turner. It's actually quite insulting that you suggest all she has to do is open her mouth and the whole forum falls to the floor in admiration.

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I wonder if with all the Kathy stuff that is going to be happening whether Jay is going to get side-lined by the family as it's "nothing to do with him" (I can hear the words now!) and that will make Jay go somewhere else? Maybe both Abi and Jay will feel like this and that kind of puts them together again.
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6 Jul 2015, 00:14
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6 Jul 2015, 00:11

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This is the second time in a couple of days you've exaggerated people's reactions to Lacey Turner. It's actually quite insulting that you suggest all she has to do is open her mouth and the whole forum falls to the floor in admiration.

Because thats how it looks from my perspective.
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He's back on Thursday 16th July, near the top of the cast list with Phil, Sharon and Lola. Dare we begin to hope this is the start of something?
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Mitchells 42
6 Jul 2015, 07:37
He's back on Thursday 16th July, near the top of the cast list with Phil, Sharon and Lola. Dare we begin to hope this is the start of something?
This is good news. I hope so.
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6 Jul 2015, 09:43
Mitchells 42
6 Jul 2015, 07:37
He's back on Thursday 16th July, near the top of the cast list with Phil, Sharon and Lola. Dare we begin to hope this is the start of something?
This is good news. I hope so.
Watch his exit be announced at midnight :-/ :-/
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6 Jul 2015, 10:02
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Watch his exit be announced at midnight :-/ :-/
I really hope not
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Watch his exit be announced at midnight :-/ :-/
It really wouldn't surprise me. Lola's exit may well be Jay's exit.
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6 Jul 2015, 00:14
BigApe
6 Jul 2015, 00:11

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This is the second time in a couple of days you've exaggerated people's reactions to Lacey Turner. It's actually quite insulting that you suggest all she has to do is open her mouth and the whole forum falls to the floor in admiration.

Not to mention she was more or less a supporting character for most part of the year and has only come back into the limelight recently. Nobody on this forum gushed over her small scenes in the background but instead praised the show for taking a big character like Stacey and building her back up again.
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BigApe
6 Jul 2015, 00:52
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Because thats how it looks from my perspective.
It comes to something when people can't praise an actress from EastEnders on an EastEnders forum without being (irratonally) ridiculed.

Like Ender89 said, most of the time it's TPTB that gets praised for how they handled Stacey's return. And if people do appreciate Lacey's acting, which no one does in the insane way you suggested, they should be able to do so without being the butt of a joke and painted like an idiot.
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I thought I would briefly address some of the replies I have got on this topic in regards to the Stacey/Lacey fan exaggerations.

I use humour and exaggerations to get my point across. I did not mean to seriously imply a situation like I mentioned above would happen in exactly the way I wrote it. I meant that if Stacey and Jay shared a storyline he would simply continue to be a spare part and another connection to Stacey in the same way Martin Fowler (a character almost as old as the show) has become. I used the exaggeration as a bit of light heartedness.

I have made it very clear my thoughts on the character and actress. I do not think the character of Stacey is a legend. I do not think Lacey Turner is a massively great actress. I don't think they are terrible by any means. But I just don't think they're up there with the greats. That is my opinion. So its natural that I'm going to see the hype over her as something that confuses me. In the same way that many of you might not understand why I miss Joey Branning a little bit or find Kim Fox to be unfunny.

Stacey's continual reference in this thread about the character of Jay is (to me) evidence of the Stacey overload. Now I must say it is a valid opinion. Why can't Stacey and Jay have a connection? If you believe the two cast members to be of equal talent then that is your opinion and I can't prove you wrong. Just like you can't prove me wrong in my opinion that Jamie is ten times better at acting than Lacey. Opinions cannot be proven wrong. But why can't Jay interact with another character in the show? Why must it always be Stacey?

Of course it isn't ALWAYS Stacey being shoe horned into topics. I was recently reading the Robbie Jackson return thread and was absolutely waiting for the mandatory "I wonder what Stacey will make of him" comment. I will admit to you all now that I saw no such comment. I will admit that I was wrong in my expectations. Also, as much as I don't like Stacey shoe horned into every storyline, I do believe she would do so great in the upcoming Lee Carter storyline both as a sufferer of mental illness and as a relative of a former soldier. In fact if Stacey isn't given at least a platonic relationship with Lee I would say I'd feel cheated as a viewer.

Now as a viewer that has watched the Stacey character from her first announcement on the BBC EastEnders news page I so WANT to see something that bowls me over. I WANT to be amongst the Stacey fans on this forum. I believe every character has story potential. But Stacey is one of many characters for me that hasn't achieved that potential.

If my comments about the Stacey fandom has offended people then I sincerely do apologise and it wasn't meant in the way that it comes across. I do not want to mock Lacey/Stacey fans. I wouldn't even mock the president of the Dexter Hartman Fan Club. We all have our favourites and not so favourites.

However, if my lack of fandom for the character/actress offends people then I'm afraid I cannot apologise at all for that. But I would like to stress I'm not a malicious person.
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Its a shame Lola is going. I really didnt like her at the start (gobby teen girls have been done to death, as much as love triangles, whos the daddy, whos the killer....)
but she has really grown on me, these past couple of years.
I really wanted to see Jay and Lola married (people do still get married these days.....dont they?) and maybe another baby on the way (OK, I know about the plethora of babies, but you know what I mean). A young couple struggling against the world to build a life for themselves, each other and their family. Isnt that what basic EE is?

But if EE dont give him some work, then he will look elsewhere, he has too much talent to waste on the sidelines.
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Jay seems to be one of those characters everybody likes. It's a waste having him play second fiddle to Ben all the time. Ben is in a very interesting position right now with the Kathy story, but Jamie is ten times the actor Harry is. If he isn't used better soon I would love to see Jamie in some British films.
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More than any other character since Kat in her first stint, Jay is a character with a clear end to his story. Getting a family of his own. A group of people whom he's actually related too who give him unconditional love and vice versa. It's an undercurrent, but more than anything else, all Jay's plotlines have harkened back to the fact he is a young boy with no family. Why'd he go along with the cover up of Heather's death? Because he was worried he'd be disowned by the Mitchells. Which he was, for a time.

If Jay was to leave, that would seem to be the logical step to take. In the way that Kat's (first and perfect) exit was her getting rid of her demons and jetting off with her man in the moon. I did think it would be with Lola, but unless they do leave together and both very much alive, I doubt that will happen.
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7 Jul 2015, 16:17
Jay seems to be one of those characters everybody likes. It's a waste having him play second fiddle to Ben all the time. Ben is in a very interesting position right now with the Kathy story, but Jamie is ten times the actor Harry is. If he isn't used better soon I would love to see Jamie in some British films.
If Jamie quits, the show's loss will be the wider acting worlds gain. I genuinely believe that.
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I don't get it. Jay, orphaned at a young age in a traumatic way and having to put up with the Mitchells' dubious hospitality/(emotional) blackmail, is a dream story waiting to happen. Furthermore, Jamie has got what it takes to carry a storyline. What are we waiting for?
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7 Jul 2015, 16:28
I don't get it. Jay, orphaned at a young age in a traumatic way and having to put up with the Mitchells' dubious hospitality/(emotional) blackmail, is a dream story waiting to happen. Furthermore, Jamie has got what it takes to carry a storyline. What are we waiting for?
TPTB to grow some balls and give us a storyline of this depth instead of love triangles/squares, pregnancies and cheating.
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Occasionally, I remember just how traumatic Jase's death must have been for Jay. The kind of thing that truly scars a person for life, yet like many other soap characters, Jay seems totally fine. Not that he shouldn't be, but kids who are orphaned at 14 and actually witness the violent murder of one of the parents have at least some effect but you'd never guess with Jay. And I'm not even going to touch on the fact he's never once referenced his mother. Let's explore this a bit please.
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7 Jul 2015, 16:28
I don't get it. Jay, orphaned at a young age in a traumatic way and having to put up with the Mitchells' dubious hospitality/(emotional) blackmail, is a dream story waiting to happen. Furthermore, Jamie has got what it takes to carry a storyline. What are we waiting for?
It's all there in his character. So much to work with. Such a waste if they never bother.
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