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Lauren not saying anything?
Topic Started: 28 Jul 2015, 20:23 (5,472 Views)
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Cam
28 Jul 2015, 22:32
They'll probably go down the route of "no one tell Lauren we don't want to worry her" until she returns.
Jacqueline is defiantly returning. But Lauren would be heavily pregnant now so can't fly back.
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28 Jul 2015, 20:23
Lauren and her father are in contact as we know, its no secret he's been charged now everyone knows. Are we supposed to believe for a second she would allow her boyfriend's half brother to get away with something at the expense of her father? The Beales doing it is one thing but Lauren? I don't believe that nor do I think she would allow it to go on in character. That isn't Lauren she simply isn't that evil. For that reason alone Max doing any sort of time makes no sense. Whether he would admit to or not. I really hope this isn't Max' long exit as I wont be able to believe in the characters involved I am afraid.
Lauren can't travel while she is heavily pregnant.
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28 Jul 2015, 21:12
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28 Jul 2015, 21:01
Rather conveniently, she'll probably be reaching the stage of her pregnancy where she's not able to fly, and there's probably not much she can do all the way over in New Zealand anyway. I should imagine that Maxgate is the thing that brings her back to Walford though. The ultimate rock and a hard place.
In a murder investigation they would take a statement from abroad. She could easily dump Bobby in it. They would test the house (as they should have done with luminol) first time round and Jane's car. Stuff a few specks on Max's shoes her blood would be all over that area and in the car. Head wounds bleed.
Just being abroad and not being able to travel due to just giving birth would no way hinder a crime as serious as this when taking a statement.
No way would she let her dad rot inside. I don't believe it at all. But yes she is due to give birth soon.
She may get told and then put her plan into action and decide she will come and help her dad as soon as she can after giving birth. I hope Lauren beats Abi up and disowns her.
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I've just got off the phone to Lauren. She doesn't know.
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28 Jul 2015, 22:48
Jade
28 Jul 2015, 21:12

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She may get told and then put her plan into action and decide she will come and help her dad as soon as she can after giving birth. I hope Lauren beats Abi up and disowns her.
I would hope no violence is involved. But you can be pregnant and talk to the police. She is in New Zealand she can easily make a statement from there. Which they would do in something as serious a murder. But Cam is right they will give a stupid unbelievable story that somehow she didn't know and didn't care when she didn't hear from her dad in ages. I really hate it when EE really dumbs it down which is happening often of late. But maybe he get released in a couple of days?
I could see Lauren disowning her sister but Max being her dad probably wont.
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28 Jul 2015, 22:57
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28 Jul 2015, 22:48

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I would hope no violence is involved. But you can be pregnant and talk to the police. She is in New Zealand she can easily make a statement from there. But Cam is right they will give a stupid unbelievable story that somehow she didn't know and didn't care when she didn't hear from her dad in ages. I really hate it when EE really dumbs it down which is happening often of late. But maybe he get released in a couple of days?
I could see Lauren disowning her sister but Max being her dad probably wont.
Well maybe once Lauren is told may she plan what she will do and come back as soon as she can.
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28 Jul 2015, 22:48
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28 Jul 2015, 21:12

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She may get told and then put her plan into action and decide she will come and help her dad as soon as she can after giving birth. I hope Lauren beats Abi up and disowns her.
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Abi vs Lauren? There's only one way to find out.
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28 Jul 2015, 20:51
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28 Jul 2015, 20:46

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This is the same Max who walked out on Rachel and Bradley when he was a child?
The Max who had an affair with his sons wife up to her wedding day?
The Max who was prepared to marry Tanya whilst married...
The Max who conned Phil Mitchell out of his business using his son, also his daughters boyfriend...
The Max who fell out with Lauren before she left Walford to start afresh?

I can believe 100% that he doesn't talk to her regularly. He'll see it ok that "Tanya does that and she said she's fine".

You say you talk to your siblings often. I assume you and your relatives aren't the Branning family? That would be why.
Max also walked away, at Tanya's behest, after Stax and the ridiculous burial scene took place, and didn't get in touch with his children for months on end. IIRC, he had changed his phone, and Abi had to steal Tanya's phone in order to text him to come home.

I can easily see Max not contacting his daughter for months on end and easily see Lauren not contacting him. The Brannnings' modus operandi is selfishness. They do what they want for themselves.

Since Lauren left Walford, Max has hit upon hard times and beaucoup self-pity. If he hasn't been in touch with Lauren, he's been lying to her that he's ok. That's nothing new either. Lauren, herself, has other concerns at the moment, being either heavily pregnant or having just given birth. Whatever Peter knows, he might be keeping from her in order to alleviate the stress factor. Abi is so deeply entrenched in Mitchell madness that she probably hasn't given Lauren a second thought, and if she has, she's too ashamed to confront her.

Besides, whenever anyone leaves Walford, it's out of sight, out of mind. We won't hear Lauren's name mentioned until closer the time for the actress to return.

I agree, it will probably be Peter's refusal to budge on the matter of shopping Bobby that will break them up, when Lauren does, eventually, find out about Max, but at this moment, I'd say it's probably not possible for her to travel that distance in order to sustain Max. Also, where's Lauren's proof that Bobby killed Lucy? Didn't she destroy Emma's notes? All she has is Peter's word, and he'd most likely retract what he said in view of family loyalty.

This is going to be a game of Blink on the part of the Beales. When and if Lauren returns, it depends on which one of that lot she can get to confirm what she says is true.

FWIW, I don't think Kathy would want to see this situation go unpunished.
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I'd much prefer Lauren to be the person who salvages Abi and helps her with her very clear issues. Beating her up really wouldn't help this situation at all.
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28 Jul 2015, 23:07
I'd much prefer Lauren to be the person who salvages Abi and helps her with her very clear issues. Beating her up really wouldn't help this situation at all.
Well it'd make me laugh.
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Jade
28 Jul 2015, 21:12
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28 Jul 2015, 21:01
Rather conveniently, she'll probably be reaching the stage of her pregnancy where she's not able to fly, and there's probably not much she can do all the way over in New Zealand anyway. I should imagine that Maxgate is the thing that brings her back to Walford though. The ultimate rock and a hard place.
In a murder investigation they would take a statement from abroad. She could easily dump Bobby in it. They would test the house (as they should have done with luminol) first time round and Jane's car. Stuff a few specks on Max's shoes her blood would be all over that area and in the car. Head wounds bleed.
Just being abroad and not being able to travel due to just giving birth would no way hinder a crime as serious as this when taking a statement.
No way would she let her dad rot inside. I don't believe it at all. But yes she is due to give birth soon.
The only blood we saw that night was from Lucy's nose. She was struck full on in the face by the backhand of a man who wasn't small, but big and poweful, it drew blood, but no lasting contusion, swelling or bruising. By the time Lucy was writing a note to Ian, her nosebleed had stopped.

Some head wounds bleed if they're open head wounds. There was no blood from Lucy's wound, no blood on the Beale carpet. She probably died from internal bleeding out onto the brain. Unless there was some sort of bodily fluid - in this case blood - left on the spot where she was killed, there is no proof. Lauren destroyed Emma's files, and the Beales would refute everything she said with no concrete proof.
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Jade
28 Jul 2015, 21:19
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28 Jul 2015, 21:15
They'll find Lucy's blood all over the car lot, not the house.
Yeah I know she got injured there but if Lauren told the truth they would test the house. Don't forget Jane had to clear it up. The luminol would clearly show any blood even cleaned blood and the boot of Jane's car something she can not explain. Max actually has an explanation nobody can explain blood in the boot of a car. There is no way a fatal head wound did not bleed. In fact the amount of blood the test would detect would be able to say nobody could live on that much blood loss. But the boot is the most damning and Max would be cleared if Lauren told the truth.
BIB

Unless the fatal head wound produced intercranial bleeding.

Pauline got dealt a fatal head wound and there was no external bleeding.
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28 Jul 2015, 23:19
Jade
28 Jul 2015, 21:19

Quoting limited to 2 levels deepThere is no way a fatal head wound did not bleed. In fact the amount of blood the test would detect would be able to say nobody could live on that much blood loss. But the boot is the most damning and Max would be cleared if Lauren told the truth.
BIB

Unless the fatal head wound produced intercranial bleeding.

Pauline got dealt a fatal head wound and there was no external bleeding.
Back to the car as I am not sure I buy your theory but on the car are you suggesting Jane had no (PHYSICAL) reason to clean it? I don't believe there was not even one speck of blood in the house or car. I don't think Jane cleaned just in the Lady McBeth fashion, I am sure there was something in that but not the only thing. I am sure you will argue that, I am no forensic expert like some but I find that incredibly hard to believe.
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If and when Lauren is interviewed by the police (via videoconference), I will be surprised if Peter then lies about what he knows. He will be putting his half brother who murdered his twin sister above his partner's father and child's grandfather knowing that the man is innocent. That doesn't fit with Peter's character to me.
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28 Jul 2015, 23:19
Jade
28 Jul 2015, 21:19

Quoting limited to 2 levels deepThere is no way a fatal head wound did not bleed. In fact the amount of blood the test would detect would be able to say nobody could live on that much blood loss. But the boot is the most damning and Max would be cleared if Lauren told the truth.
BIB

Unless the fatal head wound produced intercranial bleeding.

Pauline got dealt a fatal head wound and there was no external bleeding.
That is what I am thinking. When Jane came around, I thought that it was obvious that Bobby had left Lucy there for a bit because I don't think the fatal blow killed her outright. I think she had an intracranial bleed. Specifically a cerebral hemorrhage of the brain that slowly increased her ICP until her brain herniated.

I wish the autopsy (if it was done? I don't remember) was more specific.
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29 Jul 2015, 00:38
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28 Jul 2015, 23:19

Quoting limited to 2 levels deepThere is no way a fatal head wound did not bleed.BIB

Unless the fatal head wound produced intercranial bleeding.

Pauline got dealt a fatal head wound and there was no external bleeding.
Back to the car as I am not sure I buy your theory
What theory? There is such a thing as intercranial bleeding, and that's fatal, in and of itself. Yes, head wounds can bleed outwardly, and profusely, because the skull is covered by a thin and very veinous layer of skin. This is why when you bump your head and cut it, it often looks worse than it is because there's so much blood. However, many times there are head injuries that don't bleed outwardly, and these are the most fatal ones.

When Lucy fell in Max's office, she cut her forehead on the sharp edge of a desk and broke skin. When Jake effectively punched her in the nose, he broke skin inside her nostril, and she bled. Bobby hit her with a blunt object (the box), which didn't break skin. By the time Lucy got hit, her nose wasn't even bleeding anymore. In fact, there was no sign of trauma to her face at all, and certainly Jake hit her hard enough to cause bruising and swelling.

Jane would certainly have noticed bloodstains on the carpet by the sofa where Lucy died. When would Jane have cleaned that? She certainly wouldn't have had time to have moved Lucy's body to the car, come back inside, cleaned the carpet (no easy task), dumped the body and returned to Masood's house without having encountered any of the people living in Ian's house. In fact, I'm astounded that all of this took place with both Cindy and Denise upstairs and hearing nothing.

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but on the car are you suggesting Jane had no (PHYSICAL) reason to clean it?


I beg your pardon. You misunderstand. I suggested nothing of the sort. What I said was that there was no blood in Jane's boot from Lucy's body. There could certainly have been stray hairs, dirt granules from her shoes and, considering what happens to the body in the first hour or so after death, traces of bodily fluid. Jane cleaned her boot afterward, and it probably wasn't enough to rid the car of minute DNA traces, but I'd wager these traces weren't blood.

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I don't believe there was not even one speck of blood in the house or car.


Once again, no one said that. I said that her head wound didn't bleed externally. In all the shots we saw of Lucy's body post-mortem, there was no evidence of dried blood on her hair at all. Lucy had a nosebleed as a result of Jake accidentally punching her, but by the time Bobby killed her - even before, by the time she had that confrontation with Denise upstairs, the bleeding had stopped, and Lucy looked fine.

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I don't think Jane cleaned just in the Lady McBeth fashion, I am sure there was something in that but not the only thing. I am sure you will argue that, I am no forensic expert like some but I find that incredibly hard to believe.


Jane wasn't even living in the Beale house at that time; she was living with Masood. She shouldn't even have been there and wouldn't have been, had Bobby not done what he did and called her. She obviously sent Bobby upstairs and her aim would have been to remove Lucy's body as quickly as possible, not hanging around. She certainly wouldn't have had time to clean any blood from the carpet - not an easy task, in and of itself. She wouldn't have wanted to risk faffing about the kitchen, risking waking Denise or Cindy, preparing to clean, or even running into a returning Ian.

Most of the subsequent action taking place in the Beales' house has centred around the spot where Lucy's body fell. I would wager that forensics experts would have more of a chance in detecting samples of Ian's and Liam's sperm in that spot than any blood belonging to Lucy. Lucy's head injury simply did not bleed externally. To be fair, EastEnders are usually pretty accurate in their trauma make-up, and we saw no evidence of Lucy's head being stoved in and bleeding outwardly.
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Heather head wound didn't bleed either neither did Saskia's. And how many times do you read in the paper of someone dying instantly for hitting their head on the pavement. I bet they don't always bleed.
Also unless they was loads of Lucy's blood it would not be proof of her death. As she had lived there for yars they blood could be quite accidental.
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Saskia bled. Steve pushed Matthew to the floor and his hands landed in the blood, that's when the realisation hit him and he broke down.
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In that iconic scene of Steve hitting Saskia, she falls to the floor stone dead and instantly a puddle of blood forms.
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