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| Tweet Topic Started: 28 Jul 2015, 20:23 (5,471 Views) | |
| NevermindMe | 29 Jul 2015, 20:17 Post #41 |
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Saskia was hit by a marble ash tray though, she's bound to bleed. Lucy was hit by a wooden jewellery box following several other knocks that night. I imagine even the lightest hit of that box would've been fatal. It's perfectly realistic for her to have not bled externally. |
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| Mrs Peel | 29 Jul 2015, 20:27 Post #42 |
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She bled because she was hit with the sharp edge of a marble ashtray. It broke the vascular skin of her scalp (hence the bleeding) and stove her skull into her brain. Different sort of injury altogether, but still fatal. Some head injuries bleed openly, some are intercranial. When Bradley jumped from the roof of the Vic, he tore open the skin covering his skull, as well as fatally injuring his brain. I'm just saying that some people who have died as a result of head injuries in the programme died of internal bleeding (Pauline, Heather) and some bled openly (Bradley, Saskia). Lucy didn't. As someone else said, Lucy's blood was found on Max's shoes and at Jake's flat, where Max was as well on the night that she died. The only other place her blood traces might be found is the car lot office, because she fell, cut her forehead and bled on the carpet there. |
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| Dan | 29 Jul 2015, 20:28 Post #43 |
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I believe Emma's suspicions were tripped by Dean rushing into the Vic saying that Patrick had fallen when he was "only out of the room for a minute". This led her to conclude that Jane was involved and it was Jane she met in the park who confirmed that Bobby had killed Lucy. This may have triggered Emma into thinking that Jane moved very quickly to get rid of the body. Roxy's party had only started wrapping up when Jane's car had gone telling us that Lucy was already dead at this point. I believe Ian's car was there suggesting he had returned which left Jane with a very small window of time to pack Bobby back to bed and move Lucy's body out of the house and off the Square without coming across anyone. She would not have time to clean up anything that would not have left a trace the next day (any attempt to get back in and do it would have woken Ian, Denise or Cindy) so I would agree that Lucy's injuries were internal. Jane stated that Bobby told her that he tried to awaken Lucy but when he couldn't, he called her. We don't know the timeframe between when he hit her, the moment of death (whether it was instant or not) and when he called Jane. I imagine she was at least unconscious instantly as Bobby gave no indication of words spoken between them after the attack. I also imagine she never saw it coming as any argument between them would have woken Denise or Cindy. I imagine he came in to have a go at her, she dismissed him being distracted with her letter and he hit her in fury at being dismissed when she was turned away from him. He is an incredibly dangerous child. I don't think Ian and Jane realize quite how dangerous he truly is. Edited by Dan, 29 Jul 2015, 20:30.
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| Dan | 29 Jul 2015, 20:31 Post #44 |
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I agree, however, it was written very clumsily as the police said, when Ian asked the question, that there was some outward trauma to her head. It's hard to say if the writers were referring to Jake's accidental punch or Bobby's attack. It sounded like Bobby's attack which could not have caused external injury judging by what we know. Poor writing. |
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| Mrs Peel | 29 Jul 2015, 21:06 Post #45 |
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Emma had her suspicions, which she was awkwardly sounding out in the presence of the Beales that night in the pub. Her attempts insulted Jane, and they left in a huff, but in hindsight, she was probably getting too close to Jane's secret for comfort. You are right, her epiphany came when Dean came in looking for Denise, saying Patrick had fallen and that he was only out of the room for five minutes. Emma thought then that it may have only taken five minutes for Lucy to have been killed in her own home.
It was moreso the time it took to kill someone, rather than the time it took to move her body. Jane saw Lucy outside the Beale house at 9:45pm - that much is true from Jane's statement. We saw that in the flashback. Lucy's nose was still bleeding a bit at that point, and she made some sort of bemused remark about that to Jane. Then Lucy went inside, exchanged a few words with Cindy and went upstairs to barney with Denise. I don't think what happened between her and Denise that night particularly hurt Lucy - and, by the way, the nosebleed had completely stopped by that point, and there were no signs of trauma or bruising to Lucy's face. When she smacked Denise, Denise retaliated by pushing her down onto the bed (a soft surface) and she slid onto the floor, which was thickly carpeted. We know from the flashback episode that Max as seen approaching the rear of the Beale house, stopping, looking up and then walking away. We also know that in his initial police statement, he said he'd looked out the window around midnight and saw that the lights were on in the Beale house. Another trigger for Emma was seeing Lauren in the video Tamwar made, which was clocked on his phone at about midnight, when Lauren was seen at the door of the Beale house, which was all in darkness. It was also then that she noticed in the video that Jane's car was gone, and Jane had said that she was at home all evening with Masood. (Now here's a thought: The police questioned everyone else on the Square, but not Masood, who would readily have attested that Jane wasn't at home with him all evening, that she kept getting badgered by phone by someone in the Beale household until she eventually answered that call and sneaked out.)
The police report placed Lucy's time of death as someplace between 10pm and midnight. Jane returned to the Beale house, summoned by Bobby at 11:30, where she found Lucy dead. Jane also said that she told Bobby to go upstairs, and then she moved Lucy's body into the boot of the car. By that time, the pub would have closed and Roxy's party would have been in full swing, so no one noticed Jane move Lucy into the car and leave. FWIW, I don't think Ian was in the house when Lucy died or when Jane moved her, even though his car was parked outside. When he returned from his encounter with Rainie, didn't he go back to the restaurant and wash and shower? Somehow Masood has to be inadvertantly made aware of the claim that Jane spent the entire evening with him that night, for the penny to drop about the Beale lies.
Bobby said Lucy wouldn't listen to him. She was lying face down on the floor by the sofa. For her to have fallen foward like that, Bobby would have had to have hit her with some force from an angle on the right rear side of her head. As she was sitting down, the blow would have been harder because Bobby was aiming within his own pitch area - he wasn't "punching up", so to speak.
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| Forest11 | 29 Jul 2015, 21:16 Post #46 |
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Heather the most direct comparison as she hit her head, did not bled and died instantly like Lucy. In fact mass amount of blood might not indicate a fatal wound. I fell down the stairs when I was little and pored out blood but other than that I was not hurt. |
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| Mrs Peel | 29 Jul 2015, 21:27 Post #47 |
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The skull is covered by a thin layer of skin which contains thousands of tiny blood vessels. Even a slight cut can bleed profusely, which is why a lot of head injuries which bleed externally look a lot worse than they are. |
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| Amazee-Dayzee | 29 Jul 2015, 21:33 Post #48 |
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Heather's death might have been different. She was struck with the picture frame and then fell and hit her head on the counter. While I'm assuming that the blow with the picture frame was what killed her, we can't be sure. If you are hit with something really heavy and with a lot of force, you can die instantly because the brain bounces in the skull, which is quite sharp and can tear at it. Also with enough force, your brain stem can rip away from your brain, causing brain death. I think Lucy died from a brain herniation brought on by the blow to the head making her brain swell. It would eventually begin to be pushed downward onto the brain stem and crush it. |
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| Shamelessness | 29 Jul 2015, 22:16 Post #49 |
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I think with Heather, the angle at which she hit the worktop broke her neck; she only had a superficial injury to her temple where Ben hit her with the picture frame. Poor Hev.
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| Amazee-Dayzee | 30 Jul 2015, 03:12 Post #50 |
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I just assumed that Ben's blow did it because it makes Ben seem more vicious and God knows that he is. |
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| Mormon Girl | 1 Aug 2015, 13:25 Post #51 |
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Jacqueline is defiantly back filming everyone. She was filming on Wednesday. So Lauren will be back in August or September and I can't wait for her to hopefully tell Abi home truths that Bobby killed Lucy. |
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| NevermindMe | 1 Aug 2015, 14:32 Post #52 |
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Lauren doesn't know Bobby killed Lucy. Lauren believes Jane killed Lucy. Soon, Liam will find out too. I believe many people are going to discover the truth and all be involved in the cover up for the sake of protecting a child. |
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| The Other Slater Cousin | 1 Aug 2015, 14:38 Post #53 |
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Lauren knows. Why else would they have made the scene of Peter confiding in her at the graveside inaudible? |
| "I loved it in the Olden Days because you talked more. There’s more action now. You know, we would do scenes in the Rovers of me, Bet and Doris Speed with a cup of coffee each before we opened the pub, talking about absolute rubbish. But it was something, and it was what people do." - Betty Driver | |
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| NevermindMe | 1 Aug 2015, 14:44 Post #54 |
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So that we think she knows... |
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| Matt | 1 Aug 2015, 14:52 Post #55 |
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And because it was filmed before the reveal. So Jossa and some members of the crew wouldn't have known it was Jane/Bobby. |
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| Mormon Girl | 1 Aug 2015, 14:57 Post #56 |
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Im so glad Lauren will be back soon. |
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| The Other Slater Cousin | 1 Aug 2015, 15:00 Post #57 |
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I think she knows. That's probably where the conflict will come from. Is Lauren willing to send a child to prison? I hope she does know either way. It gives her an interesting role on the show and as Lucy's best friend and the mother of Ian's grandchild, really cements her role in this story. |
| "I loved it in the Olden Days because you talked more. There’s more action now. You know, we would do scenes in the Rovers of me, Bet and Doris Speed with a cup of coffee each before we opened the pub, talking about absolute rubbish. But it was something, and it was what people do." - Betty Driver | |
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| Mormon Girl | 1 Aug 2015, 15:01 Post #58 |
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Well Lauren does know who killed Lucy and she will try and get her dad out of prison. |
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| Mormon Girl | 1 Aug 2015, 15:02 Post #59 |
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I agree with this. |
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| NevermindMe | 1 Aug 2015, 15:14 Post #60 |
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You don't know that Lauren definitely knows I spoke to Lauren on Facebook and she doesn't know. |
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