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Ian Spoiler
Topic Started: 4 Aug 2015, 22:07 (10,945 Views)
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MrJames
5 Aug 2015, 14:54
Well I think it looks brilliant. Big location stuff like this always tends to be good. I have to say that I'm a little shocked and disappointed that you're all writing it off so easily based only on two pictures? We don't where or how this fits into the overall story.
Agreed, I also wouldn't be surprised if this is just Ian's discovery that Kathy is alive as opposed to a search for all the answers as to what happened, that will most likely happen back at the square, in the Beale household, at night-like most (including myself) seem to have imagined Kathy's return actually happening. I now envisage the story with Ian being in complete shock and denial before going home with Jane, leaving Kathy. Then the proceeding episode has Kathy's return to the Square to see Ian and explain in a more emotionally driven 2/3/4 hander.
Also it arguably works in a more realistic way, if Kathy wouldn't return after Lucy died or Ben was imprisoned (assuming she knows both of these things have happened), why would she just turn up one day? Why would she put herself into danger with Gavin after all she's been through and missed? She would have to return for something more important than that, something so desperate that Kathy couldn't just stand by...and trying to stop your son committing suicide is surely that.
This should work as it's the desperate actions of a Mother trying to save her son, who is (quite understandably) suffering from depression and seemingly contemplating suicide. If you look at character motivation, this story (or what we've pieced together from 2 pictures) seems to work and be true. And the only way that a character resurrection can be sold properly is if the actions of all the characters ring true to their personalities etc. and I hope that this is the best way of doing that.
EastEnders itself is not a warm bath - it's not a show that gives you a cuddle. It's a feral, untamed animal. It's the show that I wasn't really allowed to watch when I was little. I used to sneak down and watch it secretly, because it's naughty! It's a naughty, angry show about life!

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Christina
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As Kathy is wearing the same clothes she was in the airfield photos with Phil and Gavin. What if Phil knows something about what Ian is about to do...tells Kathy what is about to happen and she runs to Ian's rescue? (or Phil drives her and then she runs!) from the look on Ian's face in one of the photos it's definitely the first time he sees Kathy!
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Jane will discover before Ian, and she'll keep it from him to 'protect' him.

Looks at her face. She knows.
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Ross
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People write things off WAY too easily with EastEnders. They can't do right for doing wrong on this show. Whether it's awful or amazing - it's always criticised too early.
Massive thanks to NickM for this wonderful signature! :)

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But equally, if you're allowed to praise something before it's on screen, you should also be able to criticise something based on how it looks. At the end of the day, we're all only speculating but should be able to present our gut reaction based on the small amount of pics/info we can see.
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Ross
5 Aug 2015, 17:36
People write things off WAY too easily with EastEnders. They can't do right for doing wrong on this show. Whether it's awful or amazing - it's always criticised too early.
Critical faculties are what separate fanboys from fans. Why are people allowed to say something looks good but not that something looks bad?

Tonally, this is all disjointed. A suicide attempt combined with a sensational return from the dead just doesn't feel right. I hold out hope that they can pull this out of the bag but based on what we know so far it's a little worrying.
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These pics didn't leak through but were released by the BBC. Dom wanted them out.
I suspect its a duff duff when Kathy reappears followed by a return to the square. Ian might even run off without really speaking to Kathy
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Sey
5 Aug 2015, 18:45
Ross
5 Aug 2015, 17:36
People write things off WAY too easily with EastEnders. They can't do right for doing wrong on this show. Whether it's awful or amazing - it's always criticised too early.
Critical faculties are what separate fanboys from fans. Why are people allowed to say something looks good but not that something looks bad?

Tonally, this is all disjointed. A suicide attempt combined with a sensational return from the dead just doesn't feel right. I hold out hope that they can pull this out of the bag but based on what we know so far it's a little worrying.
Speak technical all you wish, the argument remains the same: people are unfairly judging this storyline far too early. We know nothing of the circumstances before or after this event. It is too early to judge it.
Massive thanks to NickM for this wonderful signature! :)

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Unlikely, but maybe Ian has already seen Kathy, possibly with Phil or other people that know the secret (at night). Ian asks Phil about what he saw but Phil pretends that Ian is hallucinating. Ian begins to doubt what he saw and thinks its to do with the pressure of hiding the fact that Bobby killed Lucy which pushes him over the edge. Then Ian really sees Kathy as she tries to save him.
Edited by Planck, 5 Aug 2015, 19:13.
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Jade
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Ross
5 Aug 2015, 19:09
Sey
5 Aug 2015, 18:45

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Speak technical all you wish, the argument remains the same: people are unfairly judging this storyline far too early. We know nothing of the circumstances before or after this event. It is too early to judge it.
So your message is also to the people praising this too? Considering its too early to judge? Or are we only allowed to judge one way (the "correct" way). Praising or being critical is judging before knowing the full facts.
If your message is to both parties far enough, I don't agree but its a valid point. Those of us judging either way are all doing it too early I agree. But forums are also all about speculation this place is full of it.



Separate to this considering Lucy's murder made national and television news she would know as we know she is in the UK. If this pushes her to "rescue" him but the murder of his only daughter didn't then she is a disgusting piss poor excuse for a mother and in general a human being. Kathy maybe judgemental but never an evil bitch. No worse way to lose a child then to murder. Any mother who does this is seriously disgusting. My aunt in fact keeps bringing up this point again and again how could she do that to her kids. My reply "Den did" "Kathy is nothing like Den, I thought she cared about her kids" That is before I even bring up the Lucy factor!
Edited by Jade, 5 Aug 2015, 19:20.
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Julia Smith "We decided to go for a realistic, fairly outspoken type of drama which could encompass stories about homosexuality, rape, unemployment, racial prejudice, etc., in a believable context. Above all, we wanted realism".

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I hope Gavin is going to be revealed as Sharon's father soon and it's not going to be strung out.
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5 Aug 2015, 19:20
I hope Gavin is going to be revealed as Sharon's father soon and it's not going to be strung out.
I am torn about this. If its soon it will be overshadowed by Kathy's return we saw a mess of the 2 big stories last Christmas. Also we know the actor has other commitments and is off soon. So it will be rushed and even if he does return it will be a huge gap yet more blocking in the story. But then it has been strung out long enough. So I am torn.
Your approval is neither desired nor required.

Julia Smith "We decided to go for a realistic, fairly outspoken type of drama which could encompass stories about homosexuality, rape, unemployment, racial prejudice, etc., in a believable context. Above all, we wanted realism".

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See You Slater
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Since when has it been acceptable to call someone a fanboy just for not slagging the show off at every opportunity?
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Sey
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5 Aug 2015, 20:08
Since when has it been acceptable to call someone a fanboy just for not slagging the show off at every opportunity?
I don't know, who said that? I'm thoroughly interested as I have scoured this thread and haven't found anything on this, is it possible you have the wrong thread?
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Sey
5 Aug 2015, 20:15
See You Slater
5 Aug 2015, 20:08
Since when has it been acceptable to call someone a fanboy just for not slagging the show off at every opportunity?
I don't know, who said that? I'm thoroughly interested as I have scoured this thread and haven't found anything on this, is it possible you have the wrong thread?
Actually I think it was you! ;)

I know we're all bored as it's a Wednesday but can we please stay on topic, ta! :) (I meant this bit for everyone, not Sey!)

You can't just come bounding in here like John Wayne on a Spacehopper!

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Mrs Peel
5 Aug 2015, 16:42
There's no doubt Ian's been going through a pretty dark period for a long time, and it's believable that such things could drive a person like Ian to contemplate killing himself. Kathy, choosing to make her presence known to him at such a low time in his life, during the light of day, just might symbolise that she's bringing light and hope back to him.
I never really looked at it like that, but now you've mentioned it I can definitely see that being the approach they're taking. It kind of reminds me of what I'd wanted them to do when they brought Sharon back in 2012 - coming to Ian and Phil at their lowest ebbs, but sadly they gave us the tedious Jack romance that we should never speak of again.

I'm still looking forward to it all nonetheless. Seeing all the pieces of the puzzle coming together at long last is going to be exciting.
Edited by TellyAddict, 5 Aug 2015, 21:29.
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I'm really excited about Kathy and Ian's scenes. Ian needs his mum back and she has so much catching up to do. I'm actually glad it's not at night-time because it's a repeat of Den and Sharon in 2003.
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Can't wait for Kathy's return! After waiting since February (and screaming the flat down with shock when she got out the car!) I can't believe it's now so near. Add Ian, Phil, Ben, Sharon and Gavin in to the mix and it's going to be brilliant and seeing these photos makes it real...she is coming back. Now who thought we would be saying that a year ago?!
Edited by Christina, 5 Aug 2015, 22:55.
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BigApe
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I have made a personal choice to not look at the photos of Ian seeing Kathy again for the first time. I want to save that moment for when it first comes on screen (which feels like the next Millenium at this rate but I know is very soon)
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That Kathy woman has a lot to live up to.
I saw some episodes on You tube with a rape story long time ago .
I hope she still is the same league .
If you always want what you can't have, what do you want when you can have anything?
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