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Another departure...Spoilers
Topic Started: 17 Aug 2015, 20:45 (10,106 Views)
Michelle Fowler,Ice Skater
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Mimi Keene is the next Michelle Ryan
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Christina
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Oh dear... Poor girl!
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BigApe
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Best news all day.
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Mrs Gavin Peel
17 Aug 2015, 23:24
And that Roxy Mitchell is still married to Sean Slater.
No. I say they got a divorce off-screen. No way would Roxy marry Alfie without divorcing Sean. Especially since Roxy's former-father-in-law is rumored to be a bigamist based on Jean's attitude.
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I'm really pleased to see Cindy go. Because it hadn't been announced I was suspecting her to suddenly back out of going to Germany or return in a few weeks. Wouldn't it be great if every cast memener's departure wasn't announced until their final episode like this so that deaths and exits genuinely felt quite dramatic and surprising.

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17 Aug 2015, 23:24
Gavin Sullivan,Ice Skater
17 Aug 2015, 21:05
Well Ian wasn't that close with Martin,he grew up with Mark,Michelle,Sharon and Kelvin,I doubt he considers Martin and Rebecca family

It's hard to believe, but Bianca is both the aunt and first cousin twice removed of Rebecca. She's also the first cousin of Peter, Lucy and Bobby. This is why so much fuss was raised about the Tiffany-Bobby puppy love association. They were cousins - first cousins once removed.

A lot of times, the writers are at fault for forgetting certain relationships - like Ian bears the same relationship to Liam that Max does - both are his great-uncles.
Yes but Ian and David were long lost brothers and Bianca didn't find out David was her dad until she was 16 or 17. In that situation, it would be weird for Ian and Liam to think of themselves as close relatives.

Anyway, even though it's never been acknowledged on screen I have read a character description of Pat that was used for all writers in the 90s and it clearly states that David wasn't really Pete's son anyway. He was Brian Wicks's, the same as Wicksy. Will scan it in and post up on here sometime.
Edited by Markus, 18 Aug 2015, 06:41.
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One of quotes in the article sort of sounded like only Mimi is leaving but DTC has plans to recast cindy within the length of this storyline. No mention of cindys storylines just goodbyes to mimi.
Edited by Forest11, 18 Aug 2015, 07:07.
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I don't want Cindy to be recast,it is a bit weird that she'd leave during this but I think she's gonna come back before Christmas permenately saying 'You are my family' or 'I'm not getting on with Ricky' or she'll be back in a few weeks/months,she'd probably come back to wrap up this storyline to find Bobby disnt get her message
Edited by Michelle Fowler,Ice Skater, 18 Aug 2015, 11:23.
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18 Aug 2015, 11:22
I don't want Cindy to be recast,it is a bit weird that she'd leave during this but I think she's gonna come back before Christmas permenately saying 'You are my family' or 'I'm not getting on with Ricky' or she'll be back in a few weeks/months,she'd probably come back to wrap up this storyline to find Bobby disnt get her message
I don't think they wanted to lose Cindy or Mimi. I think they just realised that they have no choice but to get rid of her because Cindy can simply never work on the same level again as long as Liam is out there somewhere. Any future hardship she might face at the Beales would just leave viewers going. "For god's sake, girl. Just go back to Liam and Ricky. It might be not be perfect there but it's got to be better than this".
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Yeah, that's definitely it. She can't possibly work without Liam. :huh:
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19 Aug 2015, 09:02
Yeah, that's definitely it. She can't possibly work without Liam. :huh:
It's not that Cindy needs Liam to function. It's just that the escape route he provides kills her character. Cindy is designed so we feel sorry for her. Poor unloved Cindy, wants to be part of family, stuck in the house of horrors with nowhere else to go. That's basically her entire character. The problem is that they can no longer maintain that character because it's no longer true. She does have somewhere else to go. Somewhere where she would be genuinely welcome and loved.

Ian has only ever tolerated her presence and that is never going to change. She's never going to be truly welcome there and her character would get increasingly frustrating the longer she continues to stay there despite the abuse Ian throws at her. Everything we know about Liam and Ricky suggests that she'd always be welcome there but instead of taking that option we'd see her actively choosing to stay there and endure it which in turns means nobody in the audience will even feel an ounce of sympathy for her ever again.
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Gavinus
18 Aug 2015, 06:37
I'm really pleased to see Cindy go. Because it hadn't been announced I was suspecting her to suddenly back out of going to Germany or return in a few weeks. Wouldn't it be great if every cast memener's departure wasn't announced until their final episode like this so that deaths and exits genuinely felt quite dramatic and surprising.

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17 Aug 2015, 23:24

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Yes but Ian and David were long lost brothers and Bianca didn't find out David was her dad until she was 16 or 17. In that situation, it would be weird for Ian and Liam to think of themselves as close relatives.

Anyway, even though it's never been acknowledged on screen I have read a character description of Pat that was used for all writers in the 90s and it clearly states that David wasn't really Pete's son anyway. He was Brian Wicks's, the same as Wicksy. Will scan it in and post up on here sometime.
Nope, David was Pete Beale's son. The ambiguity was Simon.

Liam was as "close" to Max as he was to Ian. Carol was estranged from the Brannings for years, and made no contact with any of them until her sister April convinced her to re-establish communication when April married. The Brannings hated the fact that Carol was living with a black man. When she did return to see them, Max wasn't around.

Max, himself, was estranged from the family for years. He didn't get on with Jim, and Jim and Reenie didn't approve of his abandoning Rachel with a small child and marrying a pregnant Tanya. Derek and Carol established the backstory that the Brannings always thought Tanya was snooty and high maintenance.

I actually think that both Liam's and Cindy's departures were supposed to be surprise, but James Forde started tweeting his thanks to everyone, apparently when he was told he was leaving, and TPTB were forced to acknowledge his departure. Nice to know that life imitates art.
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Gutted. Absolutely, totally and utterly gutted. I'm gradually falling out of love with this show :(
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19 Aug 2015, 12:29
Gavinus
18 Aug 2015, 06:37
I'm really pleased to see Cindy go. Because it hadn't been announced I was suspecting her to suddenly back out of going to Germany or return in a few weeks. Wouldn't it be great if every cast memener's departure wasn't announced until their final episode like this so that deaths and exits genuinely felt quite dramatic and surprising.


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Nope, David was Pete Beale's son. The ambiguity was Simon.

Liam was as "close" to Max as he was to Ian. Carol was estranged from the Brannings for years, and made no contact with any of them until her sister April convinced her to re-establish communication when April married. The Brannings hated the fact that Carol was living with a black man. When she did return to see them, Max wasn't around.

Max, himself, was estranged from the family for years. He didn't get on with Jim, and Jim and Reenie didn't approve of his abandoning Rachel with a small child and marrying a pregnant Tanya. Derek and Carol established the backstory that the Brannings always thought Tanya was snooty and high maintenance.

I actually think that both Liam's and Cindy's departures were supposed to be surprise, but James Forde started tweeting his thanks to everyone, apparently when he was told he was leaving, and TPTB were forced to acknowledge his departure. Nice to know that life imitates art.
I am not so sure with Liam simply because more time was given to his exit.
Would u only get told 2 months before? Would have suspected you got more warning than that.
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I think it's the right decision. Mimi done some fantastic scenes during the live episode, but for the rest of the story she has been very, very miss and has been one of the only real issues in the Lucy/Bobby story.
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19 Aug 2015, 12:29


Liam was as "close" to Max as he was to Ian. Carol was estranged from the Brannings for years, and made no contact with any of them until her sister April convinced her to re-establish communication when April married. The Brannings hated the fact that Carol was living with a black man. When she did return to see them, Max wasn't around.

Max, himself, was estranged from the family for years. He didn't get on with Jim, and Jim and Reenie didn't approve of his abandoning Rachel with a small child and marrying a pregnant Tanya. Derek and Carol established the backstory that the Brannings always thought Tanya was snooty and high maintenance.

I actually think that both Liam's and Cindy's departures were supposed to be surprise, but James Forde started tweeting his thanks to everyone, apparently when he was told he was leaving, and TPTB were forced to acknowledge his departure. Nice to know that life imitates art.
However, Liam would acknowledge Max as his great uncle, more than Ian because since Liam's return to Albert Sq and once Carol returned, Max was part of his family on the square. Liam has spent little time with Grandad David and he and Ian do not have a family relationship, so Liam would not view his relationship with Max as the same as Ian.
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20 Aug 2015, 06:39
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19 Aug 2015, 12:29


Liam was as "close" to Max as he was to Ian. Carol was estranged from the Brannings for years, and made no contact with any of them until her sister April convinced her to re-establish communication when April married. The Brannings hated the fact that Carol was living with a black man. When she did return to see them, Max wasn't around.

Max, himself, was estranged from the family for years. He didn't get on with Jim, and Jim and Reenie didn't approve of his abandoning Rachel with a small child and marrying a pregnant Tanya. Derek and Carol established the backstory that the Brannings always thought Tanya was snooty and high maintenance.

I actually think that both Liam's and Cindy's departures were supposed to be surprise, but James Forde started tweeting his thanks to everyone, apparently when he was told he was leaving, and TPTB were forced to acknowledge his departure. Nice to know that life imitates art.
However, Liam would acknowledge Max as his great uncle, more than Ian because since Liam's return to Albert Sq and once Carol returned, Max was part of his family on the square. Liam has spent little time with Grandad David and he and Ian do not have a family relationship, so Liam would not view his relationship with Max as the same as Ian.
Not really.

Max had little to do with Carol's grandchildren and very little to do with Bianca. In fact, Ian had more to do with her and her kids. Bobby and Tiffany were friends, Whitney was frenemies with Lucy. Ian employed Bianca and re-employed her when she returned from prison. He gave Liam a job last summer in the café during the time Carol was recovering from cancer.

Until Max got his arse in trouble thanks to Phil Mitchell, he gave Carol's kids and grandkids diddly squat. When Carol and Bianca were skint to the bone to the point that Bianca was forced to get knock-off, label-less tinned food and hope for the best, Max and Tanya held their noses and had the Jackson-Butchers around for a roast dinner, then gave them a bag of roast spuds and a box of wine.

The truth is that Ian Beale - yes, Ian Beale - and Janine Butcher did far more for David's child and grandchildren than their Branning relatives ever did.
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I'm glad she left. She could have been so much better if played by a better actress.

I do wonder what is going to happen to the Beales though. Both Jane and Bobby, particularly Bobby, have a shelf-life.

Hopefully, when Peter returns, he brings back Steven with him. I think Ian, maybe Jane, with Peter, Steven and Kathy could be a really interesting unit.
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19 Aug 2015, 14:10
Gutted. Absolutely, totally and utterly gutted. I'm gradually falling out of love with this show :(
Do you have other characters that you like?
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20 Aug 2015, 13:45
I'm glad she left. She could have been so much better if played by a better actress.

I do wonder what is going to happen to the Beales though. Both Jane and Bobby, particularly Bobby, have a shelf-life.

Hopefully, when Peter returns, he brings back Steven with him. I think Ian, maybe Jane, with Peter, Steven and Kathy could be a really interesting unit.
Bobby definitely doesn't have a shelf life. He didn't mean to kill his sister. He doesn't even know he did it. Someday, he will find out and that will set up stories that could take him into his 20's and beyond. I'd say this storyline has made Bobby more important than he ever was before, because he's central to such a huge story, they need to put effort into the character.

As for Jane, I'm not sure. I'm not calling for her to get put in prison because I feel like she's living her punishment everyday. But if this story is to end in some way in the future l, it'll probably end with Jane going to prison.
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I think the Beales are at their most interesting but also most warped and that makes them seem as if they have an expiry date. Can we honestly picture an "ordinary" Beale living room in 10 years time given what's happened?

What's interesting is, depending on your perspective, Bobby is the only innocent in this. From his viewpoint (and I don't believe he's a psychopath or knows what he did), he hit his sister during an argument. The rest of the family have become so unhinged in trying to preserve his innocence.

I just struggle to see how we ever get away from this storyline. It's obviously going to define the Beale's during DTC's tenure but whoever replaces him has a hell of a job making this family one I can root for again. Not even Kathy has that power.
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